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1976 Tribe on Papua New Guinea meets white man for the first time. BEST VIDEO IVE SEEN IN A LONG TIM

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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 05:15 AM
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This is like encounters between Self-Transforming Machine Elves and humans.




posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 06:00 AM
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I do believe you and i are of the few, who`ve observed this.

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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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You have to wonder if our planet (some earthlings) finds a civilization on another planet, one that might be a thousand years ahead of us in technology, if we would react in the same way? Maybe Nasa is worried about that too? Because of the Brookings Report.

I keep thinking about Ernest Norman "In the Truth About Mars" how he meets Nur El and he shows their underground civilization, though it was through clairvoyance. But maybe we are going to meet a new civilization sooner than we think. But are we going to be civil with each other or will religion get in the way and cause a disturbance? Not saying I know all the answers, I sure don't but you have to wonder.

Great video, so glad I spotted this post.

Thanks for making it available !



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
www.museumofhoaxes.com...

FAKE


That link is on the stone age Tasaday, while we are talking about the modern day Toulambis.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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You do realize you people that are calling this a hoax , are doing so just because someone told you it was.
Go there yourself and then make up your own mind.
Did anyone notice the leader looking at is reflection in the camera

Dont you put your hand out to cat or dog if you want it to approach you. I'm sure you don't want to shake its paw

Yes we did have tech that good in the 70s



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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The footage reminds me a lot of the comedy "Krippendorf's Tribe", which is a satire on the whole industry of faking undiscovered New Guinea tribes.
Although a pretty bad movie, it did have some very funny moments.
Here the trailer:


As for "the Tribal Journeys" footage: only one source claims it is from 1976. Since the wider Tolambis were only contacted in 1993, I still think it's closer to 1996.
Nobody mentioned the footage in the rain forest obsessed 1980's.
Of course it's very hard to tell by the footage itself, but the design of the cooler boxes and the helicopter don't seem very 1970's. But I suppose one will have to see the credits, or the debunking program from France mentioned in another post.
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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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I cried.

Can't say anymore.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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I agree with you DisturbedToo and was glad that someone spoke up. Some poster screams FAKE and everyone falls in line. I want to see proof as well. The link was to the Talasday - who aren't even from the same country nor are they the same race, I mean come on.

I for one need hard evidence that it was faked. Mostly because I don't get to see such touching moments in human history very often and I want it so much to be real. I'm going to (in between work today "uhh") look up some further information on the subject tribe and video footage.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Partygirl
This is like encounters between Self-Transforming Machine Elves and humans.


Exaaaaactl...
wait... what?



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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I've found a few links about the Toulambis video. I'm not sure yet how to post but I am giving it a whirl...
I found the director's (man in the video) website on the tribe - Jean Pierre Dutilleux Webpage

I also found some good information on another site. This website is stating that the Australian archives note the tribe as being visited six times since 1929. Link to more tribe info

I'm sticking with the video as being real. Just because the tribe was visited before doesn't make a difference to me. Their reactions are real. The emotions are real. I'm still trying to find some info on what they are doing nowadays.

Thanks again OP for sharing this video. I would have probably never have stumbled upon it on my own!



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by harlot7
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I agree with you DisturbedToo and was glad that someone spoke up. Some poster screams FAKE and everyone falls in line. I want to see proof as well. The link was to the Talasday - who aren't even from the same country nor are they the same race, I mean come on.

I for one need hard evidence that it was faked. Mostly because I don't get to see such touching moments in human history very often and I want it so much to be real. I'm going to (in between work today "uhh") look up some further information on the subject tribe and video footage.

Thanks for your support! I found this just a few minutes ago and it's in English!
As for the "Fake" claim, I'm yet to see such evidence.
www.liveleak.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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It appears that Sting's Rainforest Foundation came under fire in 2008.
Jean-Pierre Dutilleux had distanced himself from the venture in the early 1990's, and was a vocal critic:
www.yasni.com... lter&showads=1

I recall that Dutilleux's official website has a contact email address.
One could always ask him to clarify the dates (and why there is this disjuncture between filming a group in 1976 that was only contacted in 1993).
Of course the dates themselves don't make it real or fake.
However, I think his official website could prevent confusion and falsities by mentioning dates with the various films, and give us an idea of his age.
If we had an official idea of the details on the interweb (and not a date given by a random poster) it could go a long way to substantiate the films.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Aha - here is a blog that describes the French articles which claimed it was faked, after it was first broadcast in France, 1996.
It has various links and details from outraged anthropologists. One is not only familiar with the exact spot it was filmed, but claims the actors were paid with medication.
By some misunderstanding the blogger first assumes the tribe is from the Amazon, but he quickly corrects himself before linking to "debunking" material.

Food for investigation:
skyvington.blogspot.com...

Here a snippet from William Skivingtion's blog, after he had examined the French debunking material (signed by 10 anthropologists) more closely:

Huet's article refers above all to a critical text, concerning the video, signed conjointly by ten anthropologists attached to prestigious French organizations such as the CNRS [National Center for Scientific Research]. One of these critics, Pierre Lemonnier, was a French specialist in the Papua New Guinea domain. He exclaimed: "I'm outraged!" Lemonnier described the Dutilleux production as "untruthful, racist, revolting". Apparently Lemonnier recognized immediately the place where the fake "first encounter" had been filmed. The stream is known as New Year Creek, and the members of the "unknown tribe" probably walked for about a day, from their settlement, to reach the appointed well-lit meeting-place… which had been conveniently cleared for the filming, with a few logs thrown into the creek so that the natives could emerge confidently from the jungle (most unusual behavior) and move naively towards the camera crew. Lemonnier adds: "At that spot, they were about a four-day walk from an administrative center with a school teacher, an airstrip, radio, nurse and Seventh-Day Adventist preachers. Nearby, the navigable river Vailala enables the Papuans to reach the coast, where they exchange bark capes for tools."

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Other howlers are apparently the natives' reaction to familiar objects across the region like fire, iron tools and salt.
Rather intriguingly Skivington states towards the end of the page that he has inadvertently stepped into a minefield, and withdraws any personal opinion on the clip on his "Antipodes" blog.
A messy business, it seems.
However, the clip does tell us a lot about ourselves and our postmodern culture - not only our need to have these "lost" other cultures, but on our reality being constantly unsure.

Compared to footage of other tribes that survive only by hunting and gathering (such as Mark and Olly's footage with the Kombai and Mek tribes) these men seem very over-dressed, and it seems impossible that they could move swiftly through the jungle with those outfits. Unless one assumes that they got all dressed up for the meeting (thus conveniently censoring male nudity for television).
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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Wow. Look at their eyes and you can see, they are no less intelligent then we are. They only have less information.


They don't have "less information" they have different information. I suppose they look at us and think we are bloomin idiots who wouldn't survive 10 minutes alone in that environment; and they would be right.

Really, tho, they probably wouldn't be so judgmental in the first place as some of the people here are. I have great respect and admiration for those who live naturally off the land in harmony with nature. It is we who have the most to learn here from this meeting.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Why assume they didn't have medicine? They were likely quite skilled in using various concoctions made from plants, at least concerning the types of illnesses they would experience in the forest. I saw a study once that claimed that hunter/gatherer tribes were pretty healthy, and on average lived quite long lives, generally into the 80's, much like we do today. Ironically turning from hunter/gathers to agricultural society is what caused lifespans to plummet to the point where people only lived to about 50 on average, for most of modern history...then eventually medical knowledge has allowed us to increase our lifespan once again, to the 80's.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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If somebody hasnt already posted it yet....proof positive it's a hoax. skyvington.blogspot.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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It appears that Harlot7 has already located a site examining the issue of authenticity:
skeptics.stackexchange.com...
What can be stated with certainty is that the clip is definitely not from 1976 (this was a poster's misreading of the copyright).
Taking all the available info into account it was probably shot in 1993, and broadcast in France in 1996.

One can never be sure how far the local communities are involved in fakery for certain kinds of payment, and how much the film-makers themselves stage the events.
The faking of "anthropological" film goes back a long way (one thinks of the depiction of the Bushmen in the Denver Expedition material in 1925 www.ohioswallow.com...).
Often the communities are isolated, but certainly not "stone age", or uncontacted.

Unfortunately, I cannot take this clip as genuine from what I read on the skeptic's site, or on Skivington's blog.
The only emotion that cannot be faked is that of the viewer for historical reasons on our side of the cultural divide.

The fact that the films are not clearly dated by Dutilleux himself, and that he eschews what is a major debate about his work on his website certainly comes across as deliberate obfuscation, rather then an oversight.

When it comes to responses questioning the actors' intelligence, or self sufficiency regarding medicine, the potential dangers of such romanticized material becomes clear.
The Bushmen were placed into a position where they could no longer practice their traditional lifestyles (due to the reality of war and losing their lands) , but they were also given none of the benefits of modernity, because of the sham industry that portrayed them as "happy primitives".
We certainly cannot "know" people or their situation by one decontextualized clip, especially when the joke is most likely on us.
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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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I still don't see enough evidence to make me convinced that its a fake. Just my opinion.
On the one link provided, it says that the main critic of the film Pierre Lemonnie, was pulled into French court for slander at which the blogger believes was a result of his criticism of the video. I wouldn't spend the time nor the money to sue someone for slander unless I knew I was telling the truth and the whole truth.

I think we all need to travel to PNG and trek through the jungle to ask them ourselves. And I have to remember to bring some milk bones for those little dogs because they sure look starved. But my guess is we may never know!



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Yeah, and we'd need a time machine too, because nobody can prove now what happened in 1993 (or whenever it was indeed shot).

I've certainly heard of people going to court, or threatening to go to court when they knew they were wrong (e.g. Oscar Wilde): did they, and what was the verdict? More stuff we don't know.
The court would sit with the same unprovable conundrum as we are.
Threatening to go to court is no proof for me.
As one can see from the case of the Tasaday in the Philippines above in the thread, there are all kinds of politics involved in such "forgeries", so who would tell the truth?

But it's fair enough for people to decide for themselves in light of all the available facts and arguments.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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While my personal opinion is therefore that it's staged as a first contact with Western civilization, there could be many other middle-men involved before Deutilleux got there, and I'd like to think he's a principled man.
But principled people do sometimes exaggerate and twist the truth when they feel it's for a higher good (one thinks of the AIDS industry). But this is all further speculation.

I do concur with Deutilleux on his one comment from the Skeptic's site above:

Dutilleux, for its part, has maintained his story "If Toulambis are actors, they must provide a Caesar," he said.


They should indeed get something like an Oscar.
Western auteurs have long used the cultural ability of tribal people to act and imitate, both in movies and documentaries, and have collected the credit for this.
If somebody had to come forward and admit they faked it, I'd still say it's a fantastic piece of film, and the very debate about it proves it had important cultural value.
As for the "Toulambis" - struggling with Malaria by all accounts, they have an aura of sadness about them.
I do hope the quinine helped them out.
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