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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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I should add that "as if sprung from the void" does not imply anything about the origin. So really it's more misdirection, claiming to make a point when he really isn't.




posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
This is speculative. As I think I mentioned in a reply to Jezus, "will" is a slippery concept that has paradoxes which are difficult to resolve, even after accepting the fact that neural materialist determinism is false.



These paradoxes are illusions. Free will is inherent to consciousness.

The idea decisions are deeply predetermined in the wiring of the brain is meaningless.
The physical knowledge stored in the brain is only a medium for choice to be expressed.
Consciousness creates the brain as it develops, so the structure of the brain itself is an expression of consciousness.

Of course previous experiences and immediate circumstances heavily influence the state of our consciousness. In fact, physiological psychology proves brain chemistry is consumed by the state of mind we anticipate a particular environment or event to cause us. All people are situational and prone to extreme inconsistencies of inhibition, focus, and opinion. But, regardless of how controlled people are by their own experiences and manipulation of others, they still are constantly making decisions. They may be choosing between limited options but there is a continuous "steering" a person does at each fork in the road.

Some people suppress their own free will and have an "external locos of control" and believe they are just responding to the forces of the world.

Other have an "internal locus of control" and take responsibility for their reality.

One is a belief and one is an action. This is freewill and it's your choice to use it.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus
These paradoxes are illusions. Free will is inherent to consciousness.

The idea decisions are deeply predetermined in the wiring of the brain is meaningless.
The physical knowledge stored in the brain is only a medium for choice to be expressed.
Consciousness creates the brain as it develops, so the structure of the brain itself is an expression of consciousness.

Of course previous experiences and immediate circumstances heavily influence the state of our consciousness. In fact, physiological psychology proves brain chemistry is consumed by the state of mind we anticipate a particular environment or event to cause us. All people are situational and prone to extreme inconsistencies of inhibition, focus, and opinion. But, regardless of how controlled people are by their own experiences and manipulation of others, they still are constantly making decisions. They may be choosing between limited options but there is a continuous "steering" a person does at each fork in the road.

Some people suppress their own free will and have an "external locos of control" and believe they are just responding to the forces of the world.

Other have an "internal locus of control" and take responsibility for their reality.

One is a belief and one is an action. This is freewill and it's your choice to use it.

You're very close here, except that you're missing one aspect of the equation: the unconscious. Here we have the source of dreams, unexpected thoughts and emotions, as well as experiences of the divine and the demonic. It is autonomous or at least semi-autonomous, and can throw things in your face that can thwart what was previously a one-track conscious will.

But I may be stealing this quote if the need arises:

Originally posted by Jezus
Consciousness creates the brain as it develops, so the structure of the brain itself is an expression of consciousness.


edit on 27-6-2011 by NewlyAwakened because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
You're very close here, except that you're missing one aspect of the equation: the unconscious. Here we have the source of dreams, unexpected thoughts and emotions, as well as experiences of the divine and the demonic. It is autonomous or at least semi-autonomous, and can throw things in your face that can thwart what was previously a one-track conscious will.


Subconscious is just a way to describe the part of our own consciousness that we can't fully comprehend.

The ego, mind, attention, awareness, inner monologue is only the tip of the ice berg.

So your subconscious is not part of you, you are part of your subconscious.



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