Telstra, Optus to start censoring the web next month.

reply to post by ExCommando


I disagree. Here in the USA, our kids take a class in High School called Chemistry or Science. They learn all about the different chemicals, even learn the whole periodic table and the different chemical reactions. So, what is next? Would you agree to them suppressing our children's learning in giving them less information because they think that giving them that information would somehow cause them to grow up to be terrorist? Its the same concept. How far would you be willing to go to keep yourself safe?

Like I always told my Mother, You can't live your life in a total state of fear, if you do then, you might as well bury yourself or let them do it for you.

reply to post by AusiAnarchist



Nothing on the MSM and no notification from my ISP which is Telstra......



BUT after some further reading, so far it is ONLY child abuse sites that are being blocked which i agree with 100% i am happy for those sites to be blocked and the people behind them sent to prison... along with people trying to access them.

Telstra, Optus to start censoring the web next month

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MOST Australian internet users will have their web access censored next month after the country's two largest internet providers agreed to voluntarily block more than 500 websites from view.

Telstra and Optus confirmed they would block access to a list of child abuse websites provided by the Australian Communications and Media Authority and more compiled by unnamed international organisations from mid-year.

Full Article

Although let's hope this doesnt expand to other sites... for example if torrent sites were blocked i would cry and the same if ATS were blocked!

It's annoying when people use the "child porn" excuse for allowing censorship. Fix the problem at the source. It's like saying its ok to take photo's of naked kids as long as people dont see them. The damage has been done already in my eyes.

Didn't someone hack the AMCA blacklist recently? And heaps of websites were being filtered that had nothing to do with child porn?

I use proxies to read news. But I would be 3% of the population.

reply to post by Samuelis


Thats not a good arguement because there will always be 'underground' orgs that manipulate the system and can still share this disgusting media. The leverage P2P and torrents to share their illegal activity.

Ban it i say and although i am a strong beleiver of free speech i still say crap like this should be banned and censored.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Am I the only one who finds it odd that they are talking about dealing with child porn websites by trying to censor it at the receiving end rather than the sending end?

It's called manipulation. If they said it was to censor religious extremists, or other, then the public wouldn't support them as much. But as they are mentioning child porn, they will know anyone in their right mind would agree and support them. Politics is all about deception and manipulation.

st.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by AusiAnarchist

 

Damn it

No more shemale porn

Oo

Now they open the door to point fingers at any old site, claiming it is a den of miscreants and perverts.

Ebaumsworld? 4chan?

Sure, stop the naughty pronz.... and anything else that the feeble persons of absolute trust will accept in the name of a greater moral good.

I heard Google was used to find it, too - google should be on the top of the list of banned sites.

Silly internet restrictions...

Funny thing too, I thort weirdo illegal porn was illegal.

Shemales aren't so I think we're safe in our disturbin.. wait, I mean I think you're safe

Traps are always fun!!

reply to post by ParAvion
just an observation gst in the form of VAT was introduced in the uk a long time ago and yes they are sticking it to us in the antipodes whilst feeding the masses more sport talk about dumbing down !!!!

Australia seems to be at the forefront of these censorship schemes, along with the UK. I dont like it one bit. Also, I am sure it would not be any trouble to circumvent the system for anyone who knows a bit about computers.

Originally posted by Samuelis
It's annoying when people use the "child porn" excuse for allowing censorship. Fix the problem at the source. ..

That's what I suggested in an earlier post so I'm glad to see at least someone else is thinking along those lines. If there are child porn sites out there, shut'em down at the source.

Didn't someone hack the AMCA blacklist recently? And heaps of websites were being filtered that had nothing to do with child porn?

I'm not sure what you mean by recently. Here's an article about a supposed leak a few years ago but they say it was fake and not the real blacklist:

Leaked blacklist a fraud but AMCA still fuming

Originally posted by Havick007
Thats not a good arguement because there will always be 'underground' orgs that manipulate the system and can still share this disgusting media. The leverage P2P and torrents to share their illegal activity.

What you say after "because" is true. But I don't see how the existence of P2P makes it not a good argument to shut down the child porn websites. Those websites presumably have http urls. They can be shut down.

If your point is that shutting those down won't stop P2P sharing I agree with that.

But I fail to see how that counters the idea that the child porn websites should be shut down in any case. And if there's a bittorrent server out there hosting child porn torrents, that can certainly be shut down, though I never heard of such a thing.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
It says it is an optional service.

Probably for parental controls.

Am i the only one who sees the irony of having "parental control" to block your kiddie porn?

Like kids are going to the be ones to watch it anyways.

It is the same with everything here.

Manipulate the public with tales of sordid activity, saturate them with the same propaganda (and no Im not denying the problem, but the reaction to it) and then tell them it's in their best interest to lose freedoms.

CP is a disgusting and pathetic culture that transcends the internet. But once more, 99% of the people who will be affected are NOT the culprits.

It's ok for ma and pa's who just use Email to talk to the kids in woopwoop, but how little people will realise that the slippery slope of censorship in this regard will not end at the intended target.

"We have the means now, lets ban......xyz" and no one will have a voice. You give up your right to a voice once you say you accept this.

Don't believe it? Wait and see.

Once implemented, it's just a matter of time.

We fought this in the 90's and early naughties. But now the govt. knows how to manipulate a coherent and static internet public - facebook, twitter, myspace, blogs.. you're all lined up and kept in place. And you accept it willingly.

I'm glad I am no longer employed in a place where we had to actively setup a whitelist. What a joke it is to maintain, and having seen it from the inside at one point (I worked at a TAFE here, which needed to censor many sites not suitable to students and staff in the government sector) I know just what sort of regulations will be used.

But, wait and see... Might bring in the new age of modems and bulletin boards - and I would welcome that to varying degrees.

I'm British and absolutely hate Telstra. I've seen better internet providers in the bloody Antarctic - They're disgracefully poor. Their website and video player is like something out of the early 90's too, it's just shocking such a big and wealthy company can get away with providing such drivel.

Do Australians realise they're being sold short to such a degree?

reply to post by NadaCambia


Oh yeah Telstra is probably the most hated company in Australia, due to overcharging and almost arrogant service. However not only do they supply most other ISPs with bandwidth, they keep the best quality stuff for themselves. They are still crap though, Australia's internet is one of the worst in the world just because of where we are. Hopefully the NBN will change that but the NBN is about 10 years away By that time there will probably be technology that makes the NBN obselete.

reply to post by ExCommando


nonsense. what's next?
burning books ?

i know quite a few things and i learned them from books or people
ever heard of the CIA black books, for example? quite an educational series.

All knowledge is power.
Those who know more than everyone else are more powerful than everyone else.
If you turn your back on knowledge, you doom yourself to slavery at the hands of those who know.


sounds more like you're angling for a job opportunity IMO
or are afraid that with the advent of 4GW -- FOURTH GENERATION WARFARE you'll become obsolete.

4GW -- FOURTH GENERATION WARFARE

4GW (fourth generation wafare) is the term used by military thinkers to describe conflict at the end of the 20th century. In general, 4GW is an extremely effective method of warfare that the US and its allies will find very difficult to defeat (a slow burn, rather than complete eradication, may be the best possible outcome). I have outlined the basics of 4GW warfare below to enhance your understanding of the term.

Definition
4GW can be defined as a method of warfare that uses the following to achieve a moral victory:

Undermines enemy strengths (this may seem obvious, but most of modern warfare has involved direct attacks on enemy strengths -- find the enemy army and destroy it).
Exploits enemy weaknesses.
Uses asymmetric operations (weapons and techniques that differ substantially from opponents).

Drivers
The rise of 4GW is both a product and a driver of the following:

The loss of the nation-state's monopoly on violence.
The rise of cultural, ethnic, and religious conflict.
Globalization (via technological integration).

Tactics
4GW is fought on the tactical level via:

Rear area operations -- 4GW warriors do not confront a nation-state's military but rather it society.
Psychological operations -- terror.
Ad-hoc innovation -- use of the enemy's strengths against itself.

Generations of Warfare
The generational development of warfare can be outlined as:

First generation -- wars of Napoleon, conscription and firearms (the decline of mercenaries).
Second generation -- the US civil war and WW1, firepower and nation-state alignment of resources to warfare.
Third generation -- WW2, maneuver and armored warfare.
Fourth generation -- ad hoc warriors and moral conflict.

Differences
Many of the methods used in 4GW aren't new and have robust historical precedent. However, there are important differences in how it is applied today. These include:

Global -- modern technologies and economic integration enable global operations.
Pervasive -- the decline of nation-state warfare has forced all open conflict into the 4GW mold.
Granularity -- extremely small viable groups and variety of reasons for conflict.
Vulnerability -- open societies and economies.
Technology -- new technologies have dramatically increased the productivity of small groups of 4GW warriors.
Media -- global media saturation makes possible an incredible level of manipulation.
Networked -- new organizational types made possible by improvements in technology are much better at learning, surviving, and acting.

news flash the genie is out of the bottle, good luck trying to put it back in.

if you believe in staying ignorant that's fine dude, just don't go imposing your ignorance on others,

or applauding those who would impose ignorance.

and all the kings horses,
and all the kings men
couldn't put their system
back together again

Hackers put Telstra in filter bind

Andrew Colley | From: The Australian | June 25, 2011 12:00AM

THE voluntary internet filter for child abuse is facing a major setback, with Telstra wavering on the commitment it made to the scheme last July.

www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/hackers-put-telstra-in-filter-bind/story-e6frgakx-1226081618113

(...)

It is understood Telstra was last night still grappling with the decision as to whether to commit to the voluntary filter because of fears of reprisals from the internet vigilantes behind a spate of recent cyber attacks.

It is understood the unstructured collective of hackers that identifies itself as Lulz Security, which has an agenda to wreak havoc on corporate and government cyber assets, claiming this is to expose security flaws, is one of Telstra main concerns.

(...)

Originally posted by thePharaoh
i think australia messed up when they let jodie foster be prime minister...lol

We didn't "let" her. She overthrew our elected Prime Minister.

First it will be child porn sites to gain public approval. Then it will expand to well... whatever they want.

Originally posted by jjjtir
www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/hackers-put-telstra-in-filter-bind/story-e6frgakx-1226081618113

(...)It is understood Telstra was last night still grappling with the decision as to whether to commit to the voluntary filter because of fears of reprisals from the internet vigilantes behind a spate of recent cyber attacks.

Am I the only one shocked that they would say they might back out because of fear of hackers?

Are they really that afraid of hackers? Or is this some ploy to incite fear with the intent of getting even more draconian restrictions in place under the guise of "dealing with hackers"?

At least the article mentions something about working with the police and interpol to get the illegal websites shut down at the source. That's what needs to happen anyway, instead of a stupid filter. Stopping people from seeing the child abuse isn't stopping the child abuse, it needs to be stopped at the source.

reply to post by AusiAnarchist


I did not see a link to the story you posted, however I did find it here. You might want to take a look at the full story here from newsworldwide.wordpress.com...