Have Less Kids! Gore Pushes Population Control, page 3
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reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:13 PM by Maslo
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms



I would add cheap inorganic phosphorus. This is irreplacable component of artificial fertilizers, which enabled the great agricultural growth in the last century. And guess what? Using current rate of consumption, we will run out of global supplies in one century.

Phosphorus Famine: The Threat to Our Food Supply


As complex as the chemistry of life may be, the conditions for the vigorous growth of plants often boil down to three numbers, say, 19-12-5. Those are the percentages of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, prominently displayed on every package of fertilizer. In the 20th century the three nutrients enabled agriculture to increase its productivity and the world’s population to grow more than sixfold. But what is their source? We obtain nitrogen from the air, but we must mine phosphorus and potassium. The world has enough potassium to last several centuries. But phosphorus is a different story. Readily available global supplies may start running out by the end of this century. By then our population may have reached a peak that some say is beyond what the planet can sustainably feed.
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reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:17 PM by Maslo
reply to post by Unity_99





Its all just spin, and propaganda.


So because some countries are not overpopulated, overpopulation does not exist? You are not making much sense, IMHO..



reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:18 PM by Maxmars
The ills of this world are predominantly the effect of the .01% of the population who seems to control everything.

The reason there is famine in the 21st century is because those who can will not send them food unless there's profit in it.

The reason humans have such a detrimental impact on the environment is because those who exploit it use it as their personal toilet and then convince us we simply MUST have the things they produce at the price they set.

The reason people have no where to live is because they can't pay enough to a non-owner of the property to "buy" it.

The reason we don't develop renewable resources and engender access to new and better technology is because the industrialists of the world do not want to retool their factories.

"Markets" of non-tangibles replaced the markets with the things we actually need.

This is amazingly simple stuff. And it is surprising to me that people would actually blame reproduction, instead of the systematized exploitation of people and the environment for profit; which is the true cause of strife in this world.

Can someone show me some facts that indicate that there is not enough food in the world to feed everyone? Can someone demonstrate that it is the activity of the day-to-day lives of people that destroy the habitat?

Sure there are better ways to do things, but those 'ways' are not accessible to us.... they are in fact, often suppressed or 'branded' as 'impossible.'

Take solar energy for example. A better source of truly free energy never existed. "It's too expensive" they say.

It's not too expensive! It has been PRICED out of reach. A price is a choice. A cost is reality. The cost of silicone and components to manufacture solar panels is ridiculously low. Hell, even a multi-core microprocessor - the pride of the IT industry, costs in materials ... PENNIES. And yet we allow the weakest excuses to justify the monumental profit made on each one. OIL IS NOT costly.... it is PRICED high for PROFIT. It's about control... and now population control.....

Sorry... got a little side tracked there.


reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:21 PM by Maslo
Originally posted by laiguana
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post by TheOneElectric



It's good to see some common sense thrown out every now and then on the internetz. I have to agree whole-heartedly with this as well...
The amount of stress we are putting on our environment and on the planet in general is unprecedented and gets worse as time passes. Why? Because the human population is still experiencing exponential growth.
The fight for natural resources will only worsen if the human population is not curbed SOON
Gore isn't always the best face for environmentalism, but he's dead on regarding this issue. BTW if I had been 18 at the time of the 2000 election...I would have voted for him.
Unfortunantely, baby boomers have a tendency to ruin everything, including the future of younger generations.
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This video explains the dangers of exponential growth. Good to put things into perspective.




reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:27 PM by Chewingonmushrooms
Originally posted by e11888
Im not going to argue anymore because its making me sick to my stomach. If you actually support the idea of population control you are a scum traitor to your own species. I cannot believe how many people actually agree with this.


Of course you aren't, doesn't surprise me really.

On a side note, I think you are using "population control" as an umbrella term used to invoke ideas of totalitarian forces coming to your door step and cutting the tubes of women that have already have had one child. Of course the elites want fewer people on this planet, fewer people means easier control. But the subject of population or rather put overpopulation isn't a conspiracy, it's an actual, if you take the time to research. It's simple math. I’m all for people VOLUNTEERING to have fewer children, I am NOT for government or any other agency FORCING it's populous to do so. But in order for people to be aware of the problem, we must be HONEST about the problem and educate.

Also, not directed to you, but some people I think are confusing overpopulation with land mass. No one is saying there is no room for humans in regards to land mass. What overpopulation means is the amount of people on the planet and it's strain on ecosystems and resources that is needed to sustain all life on the planet. You could probably fit all of the worlds population in Alaska, but that is not what the subject is about.
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reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:40 PM by Maslo
reply to post by Aeons



Not Al Gore, and noone in this thread said there is overpopualtion in the developed world. That is of course false.
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reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:47 PM by Aeons
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Ah, see I was addressing the inevitable chorus of "hell yeah! all humans suck" fest that these sorts of threads inspire.

I happen to agree that access to birth control, and education is absolutely necessary an essential human liberty.

However, I do notice that this still does leave one major problem. Governments and religions that reject this principle - Male Dominanted Societies all, breed like flies. They INTEND to breed like flies. They are as a society/culture intentionally choosing to oppress women's right to control their fertiilty as an intentional tactic.

I have no interest in living in those socieites/cultures. But left as the few major groups of population, they garner the advantage to enforce their way of life on a less fertility-aggressive culture.

I understand the problem inherent in choosing to quit the fertility field as a society. These societies are already experiencing the problem of complete replacement by another culture. Ones that see no problem whatsoever in making women's uteruses into communal property for the good of their society.

I'd like to see this point addressed in an open way, that explains how a society that doesn't breed does not just set themselves up to be taken over by one that does.


reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:51 PM by Maslo
reply to post by Aeons




I'd like to see this point addressed in an open way, that explains how a society that doesn't breed does not just set themselves up to be taken over by one that does.


Limiting immigration solves this problem.


reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 01:53 PM by Aeons
reply to post by Maslo



Empowering women in these societies is absolutely the best long term plan.

However, their men are fighting it with every weapon at their disposal. There doesn't appear to be a lever to push to make them more reasonable. They would rather live as a Husband-Slave-Owner in their personal hovel than to have a society that flourishes.
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