Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by Vitchilo
Sorry, but this sounds like a load of horse manure to me. Not even that moron Gunderson doesnt think the fuel rods have broken out of thier primary containment.edit on 22-6-2011 by SirMike because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
There couldn't have been a better series of posts as a segue into a promise I made in this post unless I had written them myself. I ran into an assessment by Caltech quite come time ago and I am almost certian I linked it in this thread, on the off chance I have not, here it is:
LINK ********Direct link to 10 MB .pdf*********
Here is some of what can be found in the document linked above:
Since we now had 3 melt-throughs(and here I thought a meltdown was bad) admitted, we know for a fact that there has been ongoing recriticality in at least three locations; R1, R2, and R4, I think R3's innards have been scattered to the winds.
"Ballooning and relocation of fuel" and "Rupture of cladding-->releasing (fuel pellet) FP gases and fuel" are pretty clear and absolute statements that tell us that the Elvis has indeed left the building.
2700c?!?! Holy smokes that's HOT! So not only do we have hydrogen being produced, but it is also creating heat concurrently with the hydrogen/nuclear fuel gas. All of that hydrogen has to go somewhere:
Fill 'er up.
"Damage to turbine building roof may be associated with building fragments or equipment hurled out of refueling bay" sounds quite a bit like what Silverlok has been saying.
"Concrete beams and panels below refueling deck damaged" tells me that the spent fuel pool, dryer seperater storage pool, and the skimmer tank are no longer coherent structures.
Let's look closer at the explosion event:
I have to admit that some of this is a bit beyond me, but I hope SFA may be able to help with some of the more technical portions of this, but I can say that since we are likely looking at several discrete yet nearly simultaneous explosive events, more data can only help bring us closer to a better understanding of what has transpired.
If for nothing else, then for whatever contribution we may give to the world through this tiny little bit of cyberspace.
Looking at this design doc:
that shows the General Arrangement of the reactor buildings, we see the reactor centered long ways and offset toward the turbine building short ways.
Add that to this:
The yellow rectangle indicating the building that the torus runs into, while the red cericle indicates the approximate position of the reactor. If you look to the left of the reactor building on the ground you will see a lot of debris that is consistent with the roof girders.
This tells me that when the roof settled down it also slumped in that direction as well as falling down. That would account for the hole we are seeing lined up to the left ot where I have indicated the location of the reactor to be.
Looking finally at this image:
If we have that blob of melted corium hitting water in the bottom of the concrete basemat that was present due to damage in the structure very shortly after the hydrogen does its Deflagration to Detonation Transition (as mentioned in the technical image I posted) the concrete plug placed atop the reactor well would have been pulverized by the shock-wave releasing yet more pressurized hydrogen.
Corium+water+hydrogen DDT=500m tall column of radioactive cloud of death.
What do y'all think?
Originally posted by DAVID64
Where's the U,N. ? It's fine if we're invading some third world country, "protecting the innocent" from dictators, but what about when a private company is killing millions? Where the hell is the Japanese govt? Apparently, stock prices are more important than people. Of course, we already knew that didn't we?
Originally posted by UltraMind
Oh the other thing I wanted to mention is that any current actions CANNOT affect TEPCO share price. Why? because trading in tepco shares was suspended a couple of months ago after they lost over 80% of their value. And not long after a mystery hidden consortium seems to have snapped up 10% of the then available shares.
Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Why is anyone surprised? All our problems could be solved easily if it were not for the need of money and profit. We have the technology, resources, etc. to make this a better world for all mankind. Unfortunately our need to borrow to create money keeps it all from all of us.