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Anonymous is a little different, they seem to have some genuine ideals, real tactical strategies are often a part of their attacks. But they probably been infiltrated somewhere along the line recently. I do believe they started off as true freedom fighters though.
Them and Anonymous are both obvious stooges of the Government to end Internet Freedom.
Personally, I'm still very skeptical about the whole Wikileaks-CIA thing. I don't know honestly, but they have released a lot of good information worth my support.
I am sure they and Julian Assange all party together with the money that we give them through the CIA.
It is really not relevant who they are. What is relevant, is their actions. And their actions should not be supported one way or another, CIA or not.
We all can go back and forth on how they are or are not 'CIA"
If that is true, then I think they have already accomplished that.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
I think LulzSec is a government hacker group to infiltrate anonymous.
Incorrect. There is nothing immoral about hacking into a system to understand how it works, as long as you don't do any damage. There is also nothing immoral about hacking as a way of freedom fighting, a way to fight against the corrupt system when there are no other viable ways. It is also not immoral if you are just hacking in a sandbox type environment for educational purposes.
All Hacking is Bad Hacking!
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Greensage
Incorrect. There is nothing immoral about hacking into a system to understand how it works, as long as you don't do any damage. There is also nothing immoral about hacking as a way of freedom fighting, a way to fight against the corrupt system when there are no other viable ways. It is also not immoral if you are just hacking in a sandbox type environment for educational purposes.
All Hacking is Bad Hacking!
EDIT: And it also not immoral to hack with the intention of finding and exposing bugs/holes in a system.
edit on 22-6-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
That is a dreadful analogy. I'm talking about understanding how a system works, not looking to steal your TV and video console. If you are pick-locking my door to understand how my super advanced lock works, then I wouldn't get mad unless you damaged my lock. For all I know, you were never there. But if I do find out, I might have to change my lock in case you rigged it. That is why hacking to understand a system can be damaging, when the victims know they were hacked, but don't know what was done to their system. They have to clean it out and reinstall everything, which can cost big money for large businesses. But in the end, I really can't say it's immoral to want to understand how something works. If you do manage to hack into a system, it's best to leave a message telling them exactly how you did it. They will probably still clean out their systems though. However, you have done them a greater favor by pointing out a flaw which very well could have resulted in utter chaos, if it had of been exploited by a more malicious hacker.
Then ill just come over to your house and break in and have myself a look around just to see what kind of stuff you have.....
Yeah, but a criminal breaks into your house to steal valuable items. Hackers who do that are criminals. But a hacker who breaks in for the sheer thrill and educational benefits might just look at some code, learn from it, and then leave the system alone, without stealing anything.
You bypass and/or force your way through securities to get to whats behind them......
Yes, I agree. We should get back on topic. We have wandered a fair bit from the subject of concern.
Originally posted by Greensage
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
Sorry, but this is really a thread about Morals now!
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
Yeah, but a criminal breaks into your house to steal valuable items. Hackers who do that are criminals. But a hacker who breaks in for the sheer thrill and educational benefits might just look at some code, learn from it, and then leave the system alone, without stealing anything.
EDIT: I guess it's a bit like breaking into your house and reading your diary, and perhaps even making a copy of your diary. But a computer isn't a living space for people,