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F.B.I. Seizes Web Servers, Knocking Sites Offline

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posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:27 PM
The title here is intriguing enough by itself. You should all be conditioned well enough now to likely pass on by this topic and not give it a second thought. But the rabbit hole is deeper than just the US Federalies taking over a handful of web servers. Its the why, along with the poor implimentation that gets me going.

The F.B.I. seized Web servers in a raid on a data center early Tuesday, causing several Web sites, including those run by the New York publisher Curbed Network, to go offline.

In an e-mail to one of its clients on Tuesday afternoon, a DigitalOne employee, Sergej Ostroumow, said: “This problem is caused by the F.B.I., not our company. In the night F.B.I. has taken 3 enclosures with equipment plugged into them, possibly including your server — we can not check it.”

So, the FBI grabs up a bunch of servers in a raid. They just take several entire web servers offline. The company cannot connect to them and cannot answer trouble requests in the meantime. However, its not DigitialOne that they are after. DO is just collateral damage.

A government official who declined to be named said earlier in the day that the F.B.I. was actively investigating the Lulz Security group and any affiliated hackers. The official said the F.B.I. had teamed up with other agencies in this effort, including the Central Intelligence Agency and cybercrime bureaus in Europe.

So, the feds decided that rather than take the time to research the sites that were in question and bringing down their service space alone, they took entire servers down.

Mr. Ostroumow said that the F.B.I. was only interested in one of the company’s clients but had taken servers used by “tens of clients.”


Just more long arm of the law doing whatever they want and bedamned the collateral damage or the small enterprise trying to etch out a living online.

I bring this up also for another reason. There were posts along other threads concerning LulzSec stating that they are FBI affiliates. If this is so, was this raid a smokebomb or is this an effort by the FBI to shut them down and prove they are not one in the same?

Much like Anonymous, LulzSec does some things right and some things wrong and usually always with an agenda that can be rationalized if you take the time to follow it through. I dont agree with either groups tactics sometimes, however I do agree with many things on their agenda. In this particular instance related above though, I say poo to LulzSec for involving innocent, hard working entrepeneurs in their legal and political fallout.

edit: added source, initial post failed to add, then had to wait until the spam timer ran out before I could come back to edit. Sorry about that.


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edit on 21-6-2011 by wheresthetruth because: added source

posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:32 PM
I'd like to see the actual full article about this since alot of posters intentionally leave parts of the story out that don't fit their thread.

I highly doubt what your claiming is the entirity of the story.

posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:34 PM
Whether it is the full story or not; it strikes me as an example of what the likes of Lulsec and Anonymous will cause to happen with their immature 'strikes'.

posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:36 PM
Looks like someone got scared about the so called alliance between Anonymous and LulzSec

posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:39 PM
I'm sorry OP but you should cite your source. Quotes without sources are verboten.

posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 07:55 PM
Link to Article

They are no doubt after the transparent logs. If they are encrypted then they'll need the whole servers. Most people don't know that they're being logged, nor how to probe for the logs, nor how to access them and delete or edit them to erase their tracks. And these listed proxies that the vast majority of hackers or script kiddies, depending on how you feel at the moment, have a lot of transparent logs.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 09:01 AM
I apologize for the original sourcing error. I caught the mistake after I had submitted the story and the spam timer wouldnt let me edit the story until it already had replies. That being out of the way, the main reason I posted this is because of the haphazard way in which the FBI is going about this leg of their investigation. As a professional in the network admin and security bizz, I can tell you that there is a more forensic way of going about this rather than just pulling the plug on an entire webserver.
The raid could have gone off a lot quieter and more stealthy if they had simply sent a couple of techs to the business with a warrant to conduct forensic analysis on the servers while they were running live. The worst case scenario could have been service lag due to increased resources usage which would have gone almost completely undetectable and explainable by any number of bogus reasons that the innocent webmasters would have taken and run with.
Yet, they decided to make a big production of this raid by pulling the plug on entire physical servers, which lends to notions of incompentence and/or plain old bravado rather than an honest investigation of the target.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 09:18 AM
It's the sledgehammer to kill a fly.
Only this fly is a non-local, non nation specific entity called the internet.
When the sledgehammer swings in it's nations own interest it affects flies all over the world.
That they can do this, does the internet have an owner now?

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:31 AM
Well this is indeed a VERY nasty development. They siezed servers that affected "tens of clients" because they MIGHT find evidence they could use against one particular offender. I'm not sure how many of you are aware of this, but most web sites utilize servers that are housed within a "web hosting facility" that contains thousands of other servers for tens of thousands of other web sites. This is done because web hosting facilities have several layers of protection and redundancy to ensure the servers and web sites stay up and running even if there's a local electrical outage or other issue. The facilities typically have "A" and "B" power to each server, and each of those branches is fed off a separate feed that each has its own emergency generator backup and in some cases there are even main electrical feeds from two different substations for added redundancy. Anyway, the point is that there are thousands of servers in each facility and no doubt some of them are being used for nefarious purposes. So one can imagine where this is heading, where suddenly a site like ATS is targeted and goes offline and the excuse given is that they were busting a child porn ring that was using computers in the same web hosting facility. If they just cart off the servers, it could take weeks to get a large site like this up and running again. This is scary stuff folks.
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:43 AM
reply to post by SavedOne
I agree, very scary stuff. This site and are the only two I bother with, but a few months ago I was certain that the shoe was about to drop on us. Their lies are wearing thin, and the OS looks more ridiculous with each poster that attempts to prop it up. If they are able to censor ats, I fear for our future.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 11:08 AM
Instapaper and Pinboard were the sites that made me sit up and take notice. There was a change I noticed to the data in the world wide web on June 21, 2011 wherein I noticed that data in certain charts and tables having to do with various sunrise/sunset times had changed overnight by quite a bit. I had no hardcopy so have to go on it being just a matrix thing. Interesting to note that some portions of them stayed online but just ran more slowly. Wonder if there was some insulation that those sites knowingly or unknowingly had from a universal kill switch.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 12:11 PM
The defence lawyers could have a field day on this
How would a FBI expert ever get on the witness stand and be believed after they did such a gaff collecting evidence.
Can the expert now claim he found evidence where he said he did.
Can he even claim he knew what he was doing.
Can the FBI claim this was a legal search when they searched sized sites other then the one covered under the warrant.

I can see where the FBI might have to defend against a wrongful search and seizure.

Its like getting a warrant to search a apartment and turning around and searching the whole complex because you can not read the apartment numbers.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 12:42 PM

Originally posted by AtlantisX99
Whether it is the full story or not; it strikes me as an example of what the likes of Lulsec and Anonymous will cause to happen with their immature 'strikes'.

I might point out that the only one "causing" happenings are the Ones who are doing the causing - the FBI, in this case.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 01:18 PM
Doesn't the CIA and FBI employ their own "ethical" hackers?
If so, why the need to seize the servers of innocent people? It seems like plain laziness to me.
There had to be a better way to go after the one client. Are they going to compensate the others for the
collateral damage? It seems to me, if you're trying to catch a group of hackers, the worst way to do it is
to tick off other computer experts.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 01:28 PM
Sometimes when you shake a tree, good apples fall with the bad.

What if they can find that foreign intelligence agencies are involved?

By the way, "ethical" hackers would have an extremely difficult time attempting to access what they are looking for here.

Seizing the servers and control over them makes sense, in this case... Maybe they'll find more than what they had hoped for???

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 01:47 PM
Meh, I don't feel sorry for these websites at all. They should have disaster recovery protocols in place anyways. If their Sysadmins were doing their jobs right, they could have their websites/databases back up and running elsewhere (Amazon Cloud, etc.) in a manner of hours to a day or so.

The FBI have to take down those servers completely so they can isolate them from the hackers they are pursuing. This helps aid in the digital forensics efforts.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
The FBI have to take down those servers completely so they can isolate them from the hackers they are pursuing. This helps aid in the digital forensics efforts.

I have to completely disagree with this statement. That is like setting up a roadblock in Ohio to catch someone in route from New York and to LA. There are just too many other routes to keep going through. They likely have a ghost presence on multiple servers at multiple hosting companies in multiple countries, not to mention access to various other types of servers, such as the one they hosted that IRC on that got the UK kid arrested.

Isolating an entire physical webserver to gain access to a single folder on a virtual drive is just about as overkill as you get. Not to mention a blatant production on their part.

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 05:39 PM
reply to post by wheresthetruth

BREAKING NEWS on this seems to have been involved. As the local representative, my chapter website is returning an error as well...

Make sure im still here in a few guys, this could get ugly

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 06:10 PM
reply to post by SavedOne

Very nasty indeed. It seems to be one more attack on dissenting opinions, not just a "bug hunt" for some "hackers". This could very well be the beginning on an all out war on dissent.

Call me crazy, but BOTH 'puters in my home just did the blue screen of death at the same time, while connected to the internet. They took down, and it still hasn't come back up. I'm no hacker, but I am all for liberty being restored, and this seems like just another BS reason to take more freedoms and to silence those with the courage to speak out. all of this just 2 days after commiting to start a peaceful chapter of we are change in my city.

[NOTE TO MODS- I am not recruiting, just trying to publicly show there was no "threat" from we are CHANGE, myself, or any of our members as lined out in our ethics and conduct guidelines]

Ill post the Mission statement and code of conduct for we are change, just to make clear what we are about:

Mission Statement
We Are Change is a citizens based grassroots peace and social justice movement working to reveal the truth behind the events of September 11th, as well as the lies of government and corporate elite who remain suspect in this crime. In addition, we are here to aid the sick and dying first responders through fundraising and social outreach programs in order to promote awareness of those who suffer from physical, emotional, and psychological traumas they received in the aftermath of 9-11.

We also seek to connect with those who are interested in educating the public while engaging in peaceful, non-violent demonstration about the pertinent issues that are affecting our lives each and every day. Furthermore, We Are Change is a nonpartisan independent media organization comprised of patriot journalists working to hold those engaging in activities that do not represent the wishes of “We the People” – by asking the hard questions that the controlled corporate mainstream media refuses to do.

We Are Change has arisen from the remnants of the republic to fill the vacancy left by those who swore to preserve, protect and defend The Constitution of the United States against all enemies – foreign and domestic. We Are Change seeks to expose the fraud of the left/right paradigm and reveal that the world truly functions on a top/down hierarchy that threatens to destroy free society as we know it. We Are Change works to educate, motivate, and activate those striving to uncover the truth behind the private banking cartel of the military industrial complex that is directing the majority of U.S. and global policy. We work to expose those that are actively seeking to eliminate national sovereignty and replace it with a “one world order.” We will also continue to move in a direction that reconnects “We the People” to the United States founding principles laid out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

We Are Change also seek an uncompromising and independent investigation into the crimes of 9-11. We support the victims’ family members who want subpoena power granted to obtain a long-overdue resolution for the survivors and families of the deceased. We reject the official explanation of the events leading up to, during and after the attacks of September 11th, 2001 as well as the fear-based politics and state mandated propaganda being disseminated by the Corporate Media which has facilitated the cover-up of 9-11. As we establish citizens groups throughout the country and world, we wish to inspire a community of truth-seekers and peacemakers through creative campaigns with a commitment of nonviolence. We Are Change is not so much a group but an idea, an idea that “We the People” are the vehicles of these “ideas” and of the freedoms, liberties, and truths we are seeking across the globe. An idea that captures the spirits of our forefathers who just desired freedom; that together, as residents of this planet, we grow like a snowball of truth and justice rolling down a pyramid of tyranny growing bigger and stronger, recognizing the beauty in our differences and the diverseness of each other, but at the same time strengthening our cause because we learn and grow from each other’s individuality. Then as we learn to come together, that as one: you, I, him, her, us…will realize…WE ARE CHANGE.

and the code of conduct:

We Are Change is a peaceful organization that does not discriminate in any way. We are tolerant of all regardless of racial, religious, ethnic or sexual orientation (even though the SPLC still groups us with neo-nazis). We denounce any individual or group that would speak in our name and that would not adhere to these precepts. Anyone violating these principles will be asked by the group to leave permanently as a destructive individual working against the goals that We Are Change is striving to achieve. As a nation and world in crisis and a realization that time is not on our side, there will be no tolerance for anything other than an effort to preserve national sovereignty and to seek truth and justice for all through non-violent policies based on open government, public awareness, compassion, kindness and a commitment to Constitutional law.
1. We Are Change recognizes all members have unalienable rights as sovereign individuals written in the Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights and that such rights shall be honored at all times.
2. No provocation of violence will be tolerated under any circumstances. Any violent action perpetrated will result in the immediate expulsion from the group. Any violent action carried out by an individual is done solely by their cause and never in the name of We Are Change.
3. Racial, sexual, religious, age or discrimination of any kind will not be tolerated.
4. No group member shall use language in public that will inflame others to violent action.
5. No group member shall destroy the property, tangible or intangible, of others, public or private.
6. All members will treat each other with respect at all times. Disagreements should be resolved in a peaceful and mature fashion. We will not always agree but we will respect each others opinions.
7. Weekly Meetings:
* Weekly meetings should be held to discuss and debate any issue pertaining to the group as well as projects and upcoming events.
* Only cordial and polite debate about topics shall be discussed and all members with refrain from using profanity to ensure civil discussion is engaged.
* All financials will be presented to the group on a time basis determined by the group (either monthly, quarterly, biannually, etc.) detailing expenses and money accrued.
* Reimbursements for expenses will only be fulfilled if approved by the group or established committee.
* Any persons intoxicated or disrupting can be asked to leave the meeting if a majority vote of the group agrees.
8. Street Actions
* During street actions, a single engagement of people asking questions will be honored; no ganging up on anyone asking questions or seeking information.
* Yelling or screaming at members of the public will not be tolerated and is counter productive to the group’s goals.
9. Cointelpro will not be tolerated
* If anyone is thought to be engaging in such activities a camera shall immediately be put on them, exposing that they are acting as an agent provocateur and an individual not connected to We Are Change in any way.
10. Respect towards Police and Fire Departments.
* Derogatory comments disseminated towards police or any law enforcement of any kind will not be tolerated.
11. We Are Change is a bottom to top organization where all members shall be treated as equals. An operational hierarchy may be established for distribution of duties and responsibilities, but all members should be provided the opportunity to voice an opinion through cordial and polite debate.
12. All group members shall strive to set an example for those around them, especially those younger, so they will know how to behave in confrontational situations.
13. All members will take responsibility for their own actions and accept the consequences of their actions.
14. We Are Change is nonpartisan and tolerant of all political viewpoints nor does it endorse any particular political group.
15. Any persons with a history of any actions that violates the aforementioned policies will be expelled from the organization by a majority vote of the group.
16. All footage shot by cameras purchased through We Are Change funds shall be considered property of We Are Change and not of the individual shooting the footage.
17. We Are Change does not condone the use of the name without consent of the group.

Talk about getting the "heebee jeebies"...I am starting to understand what living in the 50s during the red scare must have been like. Instead of Communists, the government now has us seeing "terrorists" in our soup...

posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 06:20 PM
reply to post by wheresthetruth

Your analogy is completely false. The correct analogy is blocking off public access to a clothing store where a murder occurred by declaring it a crime scene. Nothing gets disturbed, forensics people and detectives come in and start carefully and methodically go through the store for evidence to help get a lead which might lead to a suspect.

Sounds to me like what you would rather have happen is keep the clothing store open! Let the cops try and gather information while shoppers are disturbing evidence, potentially allowing the criminal to come back and cover his tracks.

Don't try to justify your incorrect position by creating a false analogy. At least don't try that with me, I'm smarter than that.

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