Originally posted by TDawgRex


Oh but they do exist. My Aunt is a Jehovah Witness and was always telling me I was going to hell because I thought Bigfoot and Aliens might actually exist. Good times.

Mom always pulles me aside prior to Family Reunions, …"Don't antagonize her."

Almost ruines my fun, but there's always beer and running the grill to keep me occupied.

Haha, same here, my grandmother grilled my mother for letting me read alternative studies.

As a fellow atheist I really don't know how I feel about this.
Seriously, all this hassle for just a sign?
I've always felt atheism is a personal thing, not to be annoyed by signs or crosses or whatever religious symbolism.
I don't think fundamentalism has any place in atheism because then it will become a religion itself instead of a philosophy.

The above is just my personal opinion and of course I'm not a delegate of every atheist in the world :-)

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ancient Champion

The victims of 911 are honored by the naming of a street "Seven in Heaven Way" and the NY atheist get mad try to have the sign removed. If you don't like the sign then don't look at it!

edit on 21-6-2011 by Ancient Champion because: added more words

Yeah. Those crappy atheists, fighting to preserve America's important rights. They should just shut the heck up because YOU like the sign. That's all that matters, right?

Exactly. What about seperation of Church and State? This sign is a direct contravention of the US Constitution.

Seperation of Church and State has nothing to do with honoring the fallen victims of 911.

All they are doing is naming a street in the victims honor. You people act as if they are enacting christain law in the nation.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ancient Champion

The victims of 911 are honored by the naming of a street "Seven in Heaven Way" and the NY atheist get mad try to have the sign removed. If you don't like the sign then don't look at it!

edit on 21-6-2011 by Ancient Champion because: added more words

Yeah. Those crappy atheists, fighting to preserve America's important rights. They should just shut the heck up because YOU like the sign. That's all that matters, right?

Ehhh.

I hope you are just being a smart-@## right now...because you imply that someone with a religious background or belief system doesn't want to fight to preserve America's rights. You should be smart enough to know that. Also, everyone, atheist, deist, agnostic, christian, taoist, etc has the right to say what they feel about what is going on in their country...that's somethign we enjoy living here. Everyone can voice what they want. That being said, if someone doesn't like that sign, then too dang bad. Deal with it, or go raise money to buy your own sign and present YOUR view.

Originally posted by Ancient Champion

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Ancient Champion

The victims of 911 are honored by the naming of a street "Seven in Heaven Way" and the NY atheist get mad try to have the sign removed. If you don't like the sign then don't look at it!

edit on 21-6-2011 by Ancient Champion because: added more words

Yeah. Those crappy atheists, fighting to preserve America's important rights. They should just shut the heck up because YOU like the sign. That's all that matters, right?

Exactly. What about seperation of Church and State? This sign is a direct contravention of the US Constitution.

Seperation of Church and State has nothing to do with honoring the fallen victims of 911.

Yep. I think often that the whole 'separation of church and state' is not interpreted correctly. OR looked at the right way, at the very least. No one is being forced to do anything here, to the best of my knowledge...so why is it an issue? (Is it an issue? Oh hell...whatever.)

The problem is that they are using Christian imagery to honor everyone who died in the Towers, while not everyone who died in the Towers was Christian. If they wanted to be right about this then they would have used a religion neutral honoring.

Some people are so deep into the propoganda matrix that rational debate is impossible at this point.

The reason church is seperated from state is because religion removes rationality from decision making. The idea was that the government should never be able to establish a state religion like Kings used to, and likewise that people should be able to believe and express themselves as they see fit. This is why the Free Exercise Clause is in the First Amendment.

Do you all not see what is being done to you? Those controlling the hegelian agenda have subverted the seperation of church and state by conflating religion with political platforms. It was done this way to divide and conquer us. We have irresolvable debates profliferating political platforms now. Abortion and gay marriage are the two most obvious examples, but even entitlements v. tax cuts is seeded with religiously moral overtones. These debates divide us, and distract us from corruption and theft by bankers. This sign issue right here is just another version of it. Look at the world around us, falling apart, and yet they get people to argue and HATE each other instead of the small group of individuals responsible for it all.

In my opinion there is common ground developing between religion, science and spirituality. Take a stroll through the consciousness threads around here. It is elegantly beautiful. We are all connected to the universe in ways that cannot be explained by religion or science yet. No matter what you believe, I feel that eventually we will all believe the same thing, when we are ready. In other words religion and science will converge into a universal, spiritual truth. But it's not going to happen if we continue to allow the powers that be to divide us with petty disputes and eventually enslave us.

If we don't learn to live together, we will all die alone.

Not an athiest, but it seems to me that one of the best qualities of Athiesm is that it appears to offer an escape from the endless whining of "you offended my beliefs by saying/wearing/doing/ XYZ..." So many religious people fall back on the crutch of "being offended" to passively-aggressively attain a kind of sympathetic attention and validation of their "persecution." It's sad to see Athiests falling into the same trap.

It is a sign. It is a symbol of honor to those who have died. How can a symbol of goodness and honor be offending? Wether it was christian or budist or anything else, it is simply a heartfelt gesture of rememberance and honor, and it is a disgrace to carry on like it is something so bad and offensive.