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Can anyone explain to me why christianity and the christian god make any sense?

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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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its because, just like everyone else, they are scared. scared of dying. they need to be a part of something bigger in order to feel like their life has any meaning.


Generalizations are fun. You think you know what goes through the mind of every single Christian?

Not only are you implying that all Christians are pathetic beings who feel like they are worthless in all aspects of life unless they have something to look forward to after death, but you're also showing very low respect for them. That's the thing about Christians and the Worldly, Christians will have respect for you, even if you spit in our faces. Could you say the same? Could you love someone who would murder you given the chance?


the way i see it, almost everyone is effing crazy.

Of course, no one is "normal".


christians who sit in church every sunday are no different than alien fanatics who meet up at conventions or human rights activists that band together and have rallys or anyone else who strongly believe in something so that they may be a part of something bigger.

So do the Christians who don't go to Church any different by your views? You see, you can be a Christian and not go to church - I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says you have to go to Church to go to Heaven. Clearly then you just want to attack us



it is so they feel comforted at the fact that theyre not alone in this life and that there is something to look forward to after they die.

Ah, as opposed to wanting to feel miserable and alone in this life, with nothing to look forward to after death? Gee, that's a great way to live!


"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Quite contradictory, you can't be an Atheist if you believe in any one God, don't know why he says that in the first part. Why do I dismiss all the other possible gods? I wonder, what other gods offer a personal relationship with them? Could it be Allah, who demands blood of the enemies, who denounces women as nothing more than sex objects, who won't even let you into Heaven unless you die a martyr? Could it be Zeus, or any of the other Greek Gods? Yes, it's real easy to believe that Apollo is racing across our sky on a Chariot with the sun at his back.

Science can disprove most of those gods, but they've yet to disprove my God.

Anyways, I think I know why I dismiss them, clearly this guy doesn't.



if you take this concept and just switch it up a little you can ask, 'why are you the religion you are?'

See above.


why do you really believe in christianity? because the bible says so?
have you ever even read the religious texts of any other religions?
is it because its just the way you were brought up and that makes it right by default, because its what you know.

Actually, I have. I've even spoken with a man who was once, as he called himself, a "radical muslim", and who was in the Muslim Brotherhood. I say 'was', because he's now a Christian. His name is Kamal Saleem, you should hear his testimony. My point about him, though? Well, growing up he was taught that his Religion was right, and was trained, basically. So I do agree that you're right in the sense that many people take up what they were raised with, but that doesn't account for the people who were once, say, a muslim, and came to Christianity. Something like that takes more than a book to persuade them.

Think about it.


imho christianity and the bible have some pretty questionable origins and history. apparently the bible can be taken literally and metaphorically as christians pick and choose with what fits with the times.

Lol, sorry but that's not how it works. We don't go, "Oh, the book of so-and-so is literal", and then come back later and say it was metaphoric when it sounds contradictory. No, there is not one example you could possibly give me that proves it. Questionable origins and history, eh?

Like what? The disciples were real people, in a time when writing and record-keeping was common, we have proof of their existence, from the scrolls they wrote, to the teachings and ministries of Paul, for example.

What about the Destruction of Tyre? That which was prophesied in the Bible before it happened, and it came to be? Hell, the Bible says Tyre would never be rebuilt. Guess what? Currently, all there is, is ruins. Want to disprove the Bible? Fly out to the island and rebuild the city with a small population of people living there. Congrats, you disproved the Bible.


why dont you stone disobeying children, or have a slave (as permitted by the bible). why not kill people who work on the sabbath?
but then at the same time people can take homosexuality and because it is bad in the bible you can hate and persecute them still?

Whoa, whoa, whoa! You got it all wrong, mate! The law was fulfilled by Christ, and those who accept Him into their hearts are saved by Grace, through Faith. There's no "works" we need to do to grant us access into Heaven. We're not perfect. Hate and persecute Homosexuals? Sorry, but you're talking about the wrong people. Christians don't hate anyone - we hate the Sin, but we love all beings. Persecute them? I can see why you'd say that, I see the signs the Children hold saying "God hates fags!", and no, I don't agree with that. Don't confuse them with Christians, they're not in the right.


what about the sketchiness concerning the multiple revisions and omissions from the bible over the last centuries that were made to fit with how the church has tried to control people over the years.

What about the original Hebrew text? It seems to be perfectly fitting and has zero contradictions or flaws.


i know this sounds like christian bashing, and when it comes down to it i could really care less if you want to be a christian or any other religion i just think that it is important for all people to use common sense.

Common sense is not so common, now-a-days. In fact, that's not all one needs. What one needs is to do personal research themselves.


i dont think an ark could fit 2 billions species or that the universe is only a few thousand years old.

I don't either. I believe an ark could hold a few several thousand animals though, given it was big enough, which it likely was. Secondly, the issue isn't that the universe is a few thousand years old, it's that mankind is only a few thousand years old. No more than 6 thousand years, actually. The Earth? Well, it could be quite old. Personally I don't think it more than maybe 13k years, but hey, that's just me.


faith can be awesome, especially faith in yourself. but blindfaith is a crutch.

And who would be the one that distinguishes faith to be folly to begin with?


know god, no freedom
no god, know freedom

Funny. God encourages freedom, it's our Sovereign right to be free, after all, He gave us free-will, freedom of Choice. Personally, it would be:
Know God, Know Freedom - No God, No Freedom.




posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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mod please delete my post
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 05:43 AM
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One thing,jesus was not god,god is one.Jesus never said he was god.When talking with his deciples he told them he who has seen me has seen the father.This is were people get their view that jhesus was god.but it is not the case,he is in the father as the father is in him,they are an exact likeness,jesus was and is the true reflection of god in his fulness,in all manner and likeness,but jesus was not god.his only begotten son,yes.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 06:35 AM
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Did no evil?Do you know what evil is my friend?EVERY HUMAN BEING IS EVIL,but what makes the difference is accepting His love for us sinners,He gave His son to die a horrible death for us,so we can have eternal life in Him.
Accept Christ in your hearts


Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Because everything must die, and when you die, mystery solved




posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Animals don't hibernate when hungry hahahahha

fail



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by willydude89
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really Christians are sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning. but then think it is ruling by fear the weakest way to rule. It is designed or corrupted to control the weak minded unlike yourself


Fear of what? We're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, nothing to fear now.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ~ Romans 8:1




LOL that's all atheist got dude is that they think we are in Church shivering, grinding teeth scared of God.

it makes them feel better about their bias rebellion. Like you said. God himself said "you no longer have a spirit of fear"

Atheist arguments are getting so played out.
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time
en.wikipedia.org...

If you understand this; then you've answered your question.
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by coconutcutter
First off;it is'nt just Christians that have this belief.Muslims as well in their holy korahn contain the first five books that are in the holy bible.so you reall need to refrase that question.Lest you like to show off ignorance,your title definately shows a lack of knowledge of religion.Wich furth leads me to believe that explaining it to you would be a waist of time,simply because of your biased title.

Allow me to display your ignorance instead. Christianity is not like Islam. Sure, they have some of the same writings. But the christian belief is that god created everything, and when man fell their god became a man himself and sacrificed himself to himself in the form of jesus at the crucifixion so that he can offer forgiveness and grace to his followers. They then believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and that there is no other way into heaven except by Jesus. Is that what Muslims believe? Nope.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Indeed it's different; Islam revolves around the prophecies of a mad-man from a cave.

www.sln.org.uk...

They see it as the "best" book ever written, and the fact that it is unchanged stands in favour of it's power or authenticity. I find that opinion to be quite rediculous after reading some of the words within.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Lionhearte
Generalizations are fun. You think you know what goes through the mind of every single Christian?

Not only are you implying that all Christians are pathetic beings who feel like they are worthless in all aspects of life unless they have something to look forward to after death, but you're also showing very low respect for them. That's the thing about Christians and the Worldly, Christians will have respect for you, even if you spit in our faces. Could you say the same? Could you love someone who would murder you given the chance?
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Are you not also generalizing christians? You think all christians would show respect for someone if that person spit in their face? There's not a single christian out there who wouldn't retaliate to that? Heck, there's a christian on this forum who has a sig that says "come try to take my guns". What does that mean? That he will blow you away if you try to take his guns? Will all christians love someone who would try to murder them or someone of their family?



Originally posted by Lionhearte
Ah, as opposed to wanting to feel miserable and alone in this life, with nothing to look forward to after death? Gee, that's a great way to live!
Why do you generalize us all again and say that we feel miserable and alone in life if we don't have this belief in your god? Do all other belief systems feel alone and miserable in life because they don't believe in your god? What if we don't care about an after life? What if we are comfortable with ceasing to exist?


Originally posted by Lionhearte
Why do I dismiss all the other possible gods? I wonder, what other gods offer a personal relationship with them? Could it be Allah, who demands blood of the enemies, who denounces women as nothing more than sex objects, who won't even let you into Heaven unless you die a martyr? Could it be Zeus, or any of the other Greek Gods? Yes, it's real easy to believe that Apollo is racing across our sky on a Chariot with the sun at his back.
So what drew you to your god is the idea of a personal relationship with him? Do you have a personal relationship with him? If so, could you go into detail of what you mean by that? Apollo does pull the sun across the sky, but you can't see him, he's invisible. I also see you brought up all of Allah's bad traits. Should I go read some verses to you from the O.T. to show what your god did? He's the same god you still worship, right? He's the same yesterday, today, and forever according to the bible...


Originally posted by Lionhearte
Science can disprove most of those gods, but they've yet to disprove my God.
Is that what they're trying to do? Disprove gods? I thought they were just trying to understand the natural world, and sure some things they discovered were once attributed to supernatural causes, but were they trying to disprove the supernatural or simply understand the natural?





Originally posted by Lionhearte
Actually, I have. I've even spoken with a man who was once, as he called himself, a "radical muslim", and who was in the Muslim Brotherhood. I say 'was', because he's now a Christian. His name is Kamal Saleem, you should hear his testimony. My point about him, though? Well, growing up he was taught that his Religion was right, and was trained, basically. So I do agree that you're right in the sense that many people take up what they were raised with, but that doesn't account for the people who were once, say, a muslim, and came to Christianity. Something like that takes more than a book to persuade them.
What about those who were once Christian but are now Muslim? Or those who were once Christian but are now Buddhists, Hindu, or Atheists? Let me guess, they weren't real christians? Maybe your friend wasn't a real Muslim?


Originally posted by Lionhearte
Lol, sorry but that's not how it works. We don't go, "Oh, the book of so-and-so is literal", and then come back later and say it was metaphoric when it sounds contradictory. No, there is not one example you could possibly give me that proves it.

Here's an example: Hell. Some people say it is literal, others say it isn't. Here's another, The six days of creation. Some say it was a literal six days, others say it wasn't and some say the whole thing was metaphorical.



Originally posted by Lionhearte
Whoa, whoa, whoa! You got it all wrong, mate! The law was fulfilled by Christ, and those who accept Him into their hearts are saved by Grace, through Faith. There's no "works" we need to do to grant us access into Heaven. We're not perfect. Hate and persecute Homosexuals? Sorry, but you're talking about the wrong people. Christians don't hate anyone - we hate the Sin, but we love all beings. Persecute them? I can see why you'd say that, I see the signs the Children hold saying "God hates fags!", and no, I don't agree with that. Don't confuse them with Christians, they're not in the right.
You don't believe they are in the right, but they believe they are. So how do you go about finding out who is right and who isn't? How do you get on the same page with your beliefs?


Originally posted by Lionhearte
What about the original Hebrew text? It seems to be perfectly fitting and has zero contradictions or flaws.
Show me one original Hebrew text. None exist. What you see are copies of copies of copies of copies.



Originally posted by Lionhearte
I don't either. I believe an ark could hold a few several thousand animals though, given it was big enough, which it likely was. Secondly, the issue isn't that the universe is a few thousand years old, it's that mankind is only a few thousand years old. No more than 6 thousand years, actually. The Earth? Well, it could be quite old. Personally I don't think it more than maybe 13k years, but hey, that's just me.
Cool. But actually man is many more thousands years old than that.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by coconutcutter
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One thing,jesus was not god,god is one.Jesus never said he was god.When talking with his deciples he told them he who has seen me has seen the father.This is were people get their view that jhesus was god.but it is not the case,he is in the father as the father is in him,they are an exact likeness,jesus was and is the true reflection of god in his fulness,in all manner and likeness,but jesus was not god.his only begotten son,yes.

Many christians do not share your view. So, how do you get everyone on the same page?



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
Did no evil?Do you know what evil is my friend?EVERY HUMAN BEING IS EVIL,but what makes the difference is accepting His love for us sinners,He gave His son to die a horrible death for us,so we can have eternal life in Him.
Accept Christ in your hearts


Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.

Every human being is evil? Define what you mean by evil please. I can't imagine that we're all evil, seems like no one would be able to get along and have good times together since we're all evil. Seems like we'd all be trying to kill each other for no good reason, because we are evil. It's like love shouldn't exist between ourselves since we are all evil. What do you mean by this?
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
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Animals don't hibernate when hungry hahahahha

fail

Point taken.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruthh

LOL that's all atheist got dude is that they think we are in Church shivering, grinding teeth scared of God.

it makes them feel better about their bias rebellion. Like you said. God himself said "you no longer have a spirit of fear"

Atheist arguments are getting so played out

Nah, before you were "saved" you were afraid of burning forever. Now that you're "saved", you don't have to be scared. What's weird is that some christian churches, such as the Church of Christ believe that other denominations are going to hell. Some baptist denominations believe that non-baptist denominations are going to hell because you have to be baptized in a baptist church to be truly baptized. Some denominations believe that the KJV is the only true version of the bible and that those who read any non-KJV is reading something demonicly inspired. See how silly it all is? There's more. What about snake handlers and pentecostals? Surely they aren't crazy either....some denominations believe that when pentecostals are speaking in tongues it is actually demons doing it through them.

I volunteered for two years in a christian missionary organization in a country other than my own. I made a good friend who was a christian missionary. He came to visit me recently, and I divulged to him that I am no longer a believer. Our conversation turned sour after that as he told me that his god was going to cause many problems for me and my family as he paralleled my story with the story of the Israelites in the book of Deuteronomy, and how when the Israelites rebelled, god would punish them with plagues, diseases, etc. until they came back to him. He pretty much said the same would happen with me and my family. He tried to bring that fear to me and I would have none of it as I told him I simply don't believe it. Maybe I no longer have a spirit of fear either? He then told me that we could no longer have fellowship together. That was truly the sad moment. He could no longer be my friend. A christian man of 40 years or so, a missionary of much of that, and he can't be my friend? I thought Jesus came to the world to be with people like me and help them, not turn his back on them?

What is even more strange is that I shared my unbelief with my christian parents, and told them what this missionary had told me. I ask them what they thought about it, and my mother replied, "I've been praying for you so that god would not do anything to you" (paraphrased). Wow, my mom has to pray to her god to keep him from harming me? What the hell?
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posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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God himself said "you no longer have a spirit of fear"


But someone within belief in Allah, strong "faith" and several pounds of explosive has no fear. Paradise awaits them.

Most atheists have the spirit of fear, it's called death. Atheists have emotion too, and just because they don't believe the positive claims of religion or those with a belief in God, doesn't mean that they are "rebellious" or "wrong". They just have criticisms or concerns with the Philosophy, Morality or the socio-political effects of religion.

Cool avatar...



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.


great post, but i take exception to this. god is a stalker, He will chase you till you breathe your last breath. he's the great sheppard who will leave the 99 and chase the one that is lost!

Amen to that.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
Did no evil?Do you know what evil is my friend?EVERY HUMAN BEING IS EVIL,but what makes the difference is accepting His love for us sinners,He gave His son to die a horrible death for us,so we can have eternal life in Him.
Accept Christ in your hearts


Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.

Every human being is evil? Define what you mean by evil please. I can't imagine that we're all evil, seems like no one would be able to get along and have good times together since we're all evil. Seems like we'd all be trying to kill each other for no good reason, because we are evil. It's like love shouldn't exist between ourselves since we are all evil. What do you mean by this?


I believe the poster is speaking from the POV of God, not men. We "grade on a curve", God doesn't. He doesn't compare us to the drunk guy down the street who beats his wife and molests his daughter. he compares us to his Son, Yeshua. From God's POV in the Bible we are all evil, Christ is the only "good" one.

I could be wrong though, but of course we all don't see people as evil. But alas, none of us have a vote on Judgment Day.



posted on Jun, 22 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Nah, before you were "saved" you were afraid of burning forever..


Not true, a majority of us were not believers in God, therefore we were not believers in a Hell created by a God we didn't believe in.




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