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Chemtrails/Morgellans - "What Have They Done To Us?"

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by EyeDontKnow
If you were accused of a crime you did not commit, would you want the trial jury to decide your fate on opinion, assumption, and not the evidence ?


I would promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune. If you have a problem, if no-one else can help, and if you can find me, maybe you can hire Sir Coxsone.




posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Thank you for providing a little insight into what your company does, but you did not address my post at all.
I see you got some stars for your post. It seems this debate is merely some type of popularity contest, because your posted response is not evidence of what you stated (just your belief that what your company does is good enough for you and should be good enough for me), yet somehow you get stars for it.
Please note that I did not star your post.
You wrote that extensive testing was done. Perhaps your company has a name? Can you post the testing methodology, ie, what you test for, and the results?
Too much to ask for?
Thanks in advance.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Thank you for providing a little insight into what your company does, but you did not address my post at all.
I see you got some stars for your post. It seems this debate is merely some type of popularity contest, because your posted response is not evidence of what you stated (just your belief that what your company does is good enough for you and should be good enough for me), yet somehow you get stars for it.
Please note that I did not star your post.
You wrote that extensive testing was done. Perhaps your company has a name? Can you post the testing methodology, ie, what you test for, and the results?
Too much to ask for?
Thanks in advance.


Not too much to ask at all. I'll provide any info I can, within reason. And while I don't feel comfortable naming the company I work for, it's a fortune 500 company, and one of the big fish out there doing that sort of work. There are others however. Actually a rather lot - because post WWII, when the government in particular, didn't have guidelines and just dumped crap everywhere.. well, now it all has to be cleaned up. We bury old rockets, clean up chemical depots, etc. There is a lot of cleanup to do.

I don't care if you star me or not. I rarely star.. only when a post provokes me, and I couldn't really care less if I get any stars for flags for my posts. The last thing I am here for is popularity - I just enjoy reading topics that interest me, and providing input in those I feel I have some rudimentary knowledge in. So rest assured, I don't make sensationalist posts to earn stars - what I say, I mean.. and I do not fabricate or exaggerate.

I've posted before about what is tested.. but here you go, a bit of a list.. it's not even complete. This I pulled from a single validation report. From one test on a site in a major city, that is tested multiple times in a single day:

Trace metals:

Arsenic - Barium - Cadmium - Chromium - Chromium - Lead - Selenium - Silver

Volatiles and semi-volatiles by GC/MS:

Trichlorobenzene - Dichlorobenzene - Trichlorophenol - Dichlorophenol - Dimethylphenol - Dinitrophenol - Dinitrotoluene - Chloronaphthalene - Chlorophenol - Methylnaphthalene - Methylphenol - Nitroaniline - Nitrophenol - Dichlorobenzidine - Nitroaniline - Dinitro-2-methylphenol - Bromophenyl phenyl ether... There are over 100 more semivolatiles on this single soil sample. I just don't want to type them all out.


Who tests it? We do in some of our offices. I often visit an office on a chemical depot - we test the soil and water constantly, as they store many chemicals, including things like mustard gas. We have a million dollar piece of equipment there, that can break down soil samples and break down absolutely everything in them. This sort of equipment is also used in the labs we send samples to. And there are a lot of samples. In our mail room, there is constantly dozens of coolers taped shut.. soil samples from various sites coming in, to be tagged and send out to different labs for testing.

I'm a computer guy.. not a chemist or geologist, so I cannot speak for the exact testing methodology. However, I have seen plenty of validation reports, and they are -very- extensive. I'm telling you.. if there were toxic chemicals at all these sites (other than the type we are expecting for that site), it would stick out like a sore thumb.

And this would be very important news to the client - since if these were present when the auditors show up, they are going to be paying hefty fines. Our tests which are sent to multiple independent labs for validation.. it's critical these are very accurate. If we send to two labs (or test a sample and send one out), and the data doesn't match within a very close range (far, far less than would even be a danger to humans), that sets off a whole bunch of further testing and validation using other labs. For our client's sake, we can't afford to be wrong.

They test for not only natural metals and chemicals, but a ton of manufactured ones. Not that it matters.. even manufactured toxins would have amounts of whatever base chemicals were used to create it. Nothing is found.

So no.. there is no mass spraying. I know that with our company alone, testing is done extensively across the U.S., as well as much testing in other countries. How many environmental companies are there? Well.. here is 200 of them for you to peruse and study their services, if you want:

Top 200 Environmental Firms

I will say the company I work for is in the top 10.

I just can't see how it would be possible for mass spraying to occur, when thorough testing done daily (and often 24/7 for many sites, especially drinking water, wells, etc.) does not yield toxins. The labs this info is sent to are independent of each other and us, which needs to happen, so proper validation can happen.

Simple question for you: With all the testing going on by all these companies for corporations who rely on very accurate data, so they can avoid penalties, how are mass spraying over cities missed? Why does the data not show up.. ever? I've asked this question before, to those who believe in chemtrails. I am not wrong. The data is there, once you look and use some common sense. Since the toxins are not being found, how are they managing this mass spraying over cities, that leaves "clouds" and "fog?"



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Thank you for posting this.
I have tried to explain to "chemtrail" believers that environmental testing is done all the time, for different reasons and different industries.....farms, ranches, water supplies, well/ground water, new construction, geological needs, fisheries, forestry, university education, environmental cleanup, air quality management ....wow, the list goes on.

I've also tried to explain that these tests need to be accurate, need to agree with each other, and the machines themselves are calibrated regularly according to standards set by NIST and possibly other agencies.

Somehow though, this information often falls upon deaf ears, which is unfortunate.
In fact, some will automatically dismiss any information solely because it DOES come from scientists.

Unfortunate.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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It's no so much it comes from scientists - people need to understand these are corporations out to make $$$. Both corporations in need of cleanup, environmental companies helping them with remediation, and labs who want their business. There is no coverup - there is too much money at stake for there to be one.

There is cloud seeding, sure. There may even be clandestine, alibet rare testing going on in out of the way areas of the U.S. However, there is no way possible this could occur over major cities. Certainly not to the tune of "fogs" and "clouds" as is reported here. I'm not saying chemicals being sprayed from planes is not real - we've been spraying chemicals on our crops for ages. But I don't for a moment believe there is some evil plot to poison entire cities with clouds of toxic chemicals. It not only makes no sense, there is no proof to back it up. But plenty of proof that it is -not- happening.

If those folks who want to believe are THAT set in their minds that there are sinister powers at work, that want to do a large % of the population in for their NWO agendas, nothing I say will change their mind. There is data out there.. tons of it. They will just ignore is, and continue to bleat about how us "disinfo agents" are trying to muddy the waters. However, if someone wants the actual truth, just some simple digging will uncover that there is no feasible way for this spraying to happen. None, whatsoever.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Thank you for your reply.
It sounds to me as if the testing your company does is for specific reasons to satisfy specific clients. Apparently a range of "toxins" are tested for, but why a client would want these tests eludes me.
What sort of clients ask for such extensive tests?
Do you ever find these so called "toxins" that your clients are asking you to test for?
If so, what do you do about it besides inform your client?
Are you aware of any historical records whereby one could analyze trends that might exist in these samples?

FYI. I lean towards something being sprayed, but beyond that, I am open to what and why. Fluoride is a poison that is harmful to humans, and if you tested the water of many cities you would find it. No surprise. I believe there is a very good reason that fluoride was added to water that has absolutely nothing to do with healthy teeth. But, this doesn't mean I believe that whatever is in these chemtrails are like fluoride.
I am saying, I don't know, but it is possible that whatever it is is something your company is not testing for.
Don't you think?



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem

FYI. I lean towards something being sprayed, but beyond that, I am open to what and why. Fluoride is a poison that is harmful to humans, and if you tested the water of many cities you would find it. No surprise. I believe there is a very good reason that fluoride was added to water that has absolutely nothing to do with healthy teeth. But, this doesn't mean I believe that whatever is in these chemtrails are like fluoride.
I am saying, I don't know, but it is possible that whatever it is is something your company is not testing for.
Don't you think?



And are you now speculating, going into "what if", and trying to get people to use their imaginations?

None of that would be needed, if there was proof



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Every testing company has to pay the bills and keep the lights on. Im not saying thats the case here, but it has happened in the past, and is probably happening right now, somewhere.


God money, ill do anything for you - God money just tell me what you want me to do - God money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised...God money's not one to choose



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lono1
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Every testing company has to pay the bills and keep the lights on. Im not saying thats the case here, but it has happened in the past, and is probably happening right now, somewhere.


God money, ill do anything for you - God money just tell me what you want me to do - God money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised...God money's not one to choose


And again, with more maybe and speculation.

There is not just one outfit that does environmental testing, there are thousands.

And not a single test, gives any creedence to the claims of the chemtrail promoters. And on the contrary, it disproves them



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Yes, I suppose I am asking people to use their imagination, and whatever other gift they have to think for themselves.
What are you afraid of?



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Im not trying to Prove anything. I just want people to think. Only a fool believes 100% in anything. Critical thought does not deal in absolutes



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Lono1
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Im not trying to Prove anything. I just want people to think. Only a fool believes 100% in anything. Critical thought does not deal in absolutes



Because playing "lets pretend" is a fools errand. Getting people to use their imaginations to come up with ideas, inventions and solutions is great.

Telling people to do that, as a substitute for evidence, logic and rational thought, is not

edit on 24-6-2011 by firepilot because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Who are these guys?
Are they the thought police?



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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No one is saying "lets pretend". those are your words. You abstract a reality that is supportive of your belief system.
Its OK to let go, not everyone thinks like you, nor do you have to make the world share your belief system.

Belief System=BS
Never buy 100% into someone else's BS.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Creative thinking is the only thing that solves problems.

Yes, I believe, that they believe, they are the "thought" police.
But thats OK too. at least they are thinking.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Thank you for your reply.
It sounds to me as if the testing your company does is for specific reasons to satisfy specific clients. Apparently a range of "toxins" are tested for, but why a client would want these tests eludes me.
What sort of clients ask for such extensive tests?
Do you ever find these so called "toxins" that your clients are asking you to test for?
If so, what do you do about it besides inform your client?
Are you aware of any historical records whereby one could analyze trends that might exist in these samples?

FYI. I lean towards something being sprayed, but beyond that, I am open to what and why. Fluoride is a poison that is harmful to humans, and if you tested the water of many cities you would find it. No surprise. I believe there is a very good reason that fluoride was added to water that has absolutely nothing to do with healthy teeth. But, this doesn't mean I believe that whatever is in these chemtrails are like fluoride.
I am saying, I don't know, but it is possible that whatever it is is something your company is not testing for.
Don't you think?



Did you read my entire posts? Why would the reason elude you? Federal and commercial clients both, must adhere to strict guidelines set by the EPA, among other agencies. The soil, water and air tests don't focus on one toxin - they test a broad range of toxins, natural and manufactured. Water testing is important, as toxins can get into water from sources more easily than in soil (i.e. moves from another location). Unless you are in the business, I guess you'd have no idea the # of clients who would need environmental services. We work for huge factories, down to convenience stores. Acting suspicious without researching why and what companies would need what sorts of services is ridiculous - there is nothing suspect going on, this is typical business to keep the environment clean.

If there are existing conditions in water, like flouride, it doesn't mean it's at a dangerous level. Most levels are very minor indeed. No, I've not seen a trend. Because if widescale spraying was being done, it would set up massive red flags. Because while one site might be a bit high in one toxin, while another might show increased levels of another waste material, ALL sites would show this mystery sprayed toxin. This would be obvious and alarming.

You just have no idea what you are talking about. You are making claims that can't be true (as are all of the chemtrail believers), and I don't think a single one cares to do the research to see why they are wrong. No.. there is nothing in the soil or water that is unidentified. You don't understand how these tests work. They FULLY break down the contents of a sample. EVERYTHING in a sample is analyzed. If there was a mystery chemical.. even if we didn't know what it was, we would know it was there. But no.. there are no mystery chemicals. That too, would send up a huge alarm. If the same mystery toxin was found at multiple sites.

People are a bit clueless though, about how much toxic gunk they are taking in. We poison ourselves much more effectively than the government could. Ever take a water sample to be analyzed? I remember once test, when I had a huge marine aquarium, the lab found something like 12 micro organisms they could identity, and 5 they couldn't. People drink this stuff every day.

Spraying even from low to the ground can be a haphazard affair. I am still amazed at the lack of common sense, thinking spraying 20 or 30k feet in the air would effectively blanket the city. But even if you believe they would choose such an ineffective means to "poison" everyone, there is simply no proof on the ground that anything is being sprayed en-masse.

But like I've said before.. for those who have already made up their minds that our mean evil government is trying to kill everyone (including apparently, themselves and their own families and friends), facts are ignored. Research is nothing to bother with. They've already made up their minds, and their "facts" are.. pictures of contrails. That's it.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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I have made no claims. You are very quick to label me, that is funny. It seems you have an agenda indeed, because you have really answered nothing at all. All very general. Testing, extensive, widespread, blah blah blah.
Thanks for nothing.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
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I have made no claims. You are very quick to label me, that is funny. It seems you have an agenda indeed, because you have really answered nothing at all. All very general. Testing, extensive, widespread, blah blah blah.
Thanks for nothing.



Yes, I do have an agenda, its called reality.

My agendas are not about junk science, fear mongering, or taking part on conspiracies or spreading hoaxes.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Who is addressing you?
There is a life out there. Look, right outside your window.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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My agendas are not about junk science, fear mongering, or taking part on conspiracies or spreading hoaxes.


Yet you take the time to register for membership to a "conspiracy" site, then don your "Super-debunker" super-suit, to keep us all safe from speculation and could-be's.

Well done, great job. Applause for your efforts, because without you, there would be no justice.




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