Ron Paul: I Want To 'Legalize Freedom' What's So Bad About That? , page 6
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reply posted on 21-6-2011 @ 06:42 PM by Praetorius
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Oh good lord, will people please actually look into this stuff and grasp it before commenting...?

The only reason Ron Paul's saying he wants to "legalize freedom" is because he's been asked about his views and statements on legalizing drugs and prostitution, and so forth (FYI - he doesn't want to 'legalize' these things, he wants to get the federal government out of them, since they actually have no jurisdiction under the constitution, and let the states decide for themselves), as he has been asked tricked questions on this per his views.

What Ron Paul is SAYING is that he's trying to restore the power to the people, since the government has ILLEGALIZED freedom by telling the people and the states what they can and can't do.

The government has *already* criminalized freedom and taken it away from us. Paul wants to undo that.
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reply posted on 21-6-2011 @ 06:55 PM by Praetorius
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Ooo Oooh!! Please go f**k yourself!!

Sorry, I've always loved hangman. That is all.

Seriously, though, comparing Ron Paul and Barack Obama is like apples and oranges. They have a few general similarities, but a wise man once said "You shall know a tree by its fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit".

I like Ron Paul's fruit. And his fruit is always the same. I knew Obama's was rotten before the election...it changed, depending on what kind of fruit Obama thought the people might like to taste.

And you speak of complicity - I would much rather people pay attention and find actual consistent and right-thinking politician to try to get into positions of authority so they can try to turn the ship from its course, instead of these awakened souls just saying "Oh well, we can't do anything about it" and letting the mainline politicians and old guard voters continue empowering the same old garbage we've been getting.

You think the problem's going to get better in any way, shape, or form if you simply stand aside and let them keep electing Bushes, Johnsons, and Clinton types? No - but this is definitely exactly who you will likely end up with if you stand apart and let them carry on as they have.

In Paul, we have a potential game changer - someone who has shown himself to stand outside and against much of these problems (like Gravel, Kucinich, and Nader - but they support heavy-handed government when it suits their pet projects...don't recognize proper limits), who, as far as we can tell aside from being suspect just for the sake of such, actually is as disgusted with these things as we are, and wants a chance to change them - after trying to do so for some time in congress.

When there is something worth TRYING to fight for, then fight I will. And in this fight, doing what you seem to be advocating is the surest way to end up with what you say we should be expecting.

Just let it happen, without trying? Seriously? Think about it this way - all the people who pushed for Obama, sure, they got tricked...but would you rather have had Mccain? Granted, we still ended up with evil, but in that split, I think we likely got the lesser.

Now imagine if that choice was between Obama and Paul, and Paul won - what, exactly, would you not like about a Paul presidency (especially compared to any alternatives we have available) since his record runs laps around Obama's? Do you know enough about his platform and views on the issues to have thoughts here?


reply posted on 21-6-2011 @ 08:27 PM by exlibertateveritas
Originally posted by jude11
And why is it even a necessity to legalize The Constitution?

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Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR. Roosevelt is the most to blame though.

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"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens." "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 78) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency." - Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973



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I know it sounds crazy and out there, but look around and it explains a lot. The information can be found, you just have to look. If you want some proof to this just look at Obama's Libya speech given at the National Defense University:



We all know the war in Libya is blatantly UNconstitutional, so how does he get away with it? Because the Constitution is being shredded. To win, we first must know what we are up against.


reply posted on 21-6-2011 @ 08:37 PM by cjcsuperman
reply to post by Carseller4



Wow, what a meathead statement. They hate us not out of jealousy but because we keep butting into THEIR problems. Stay out of their problems and they would have left us alone and maybe not even heard of us in their caves. You fell for the false flag operation of 9/11 real hard didn't you?



reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 12:26 AM by Idotwhat
VOTE RON PAUL............................
HE WILL LEAGALIZE FREEDOM


That should be his slogan.

Some people say its a god given right and we should know better blah blah blah...

What about those in power that don't believe in god or even worse someone in power that believes everything about god literally.How do they define freedom? How do you define freedom? Is it not time freedom is legally defined if it isn't. By all means if you like how they are defining our feedoms, just keep on paying all these unjust taxes, fines, and fee on your freedom.

If freedom is not legally defined do you, really, then have a right to freedom. If freedom isn't defined then how do you know when your right to freedom is being violated. Is freedom defined leagally anywhere? I can't say for sure.

The point being in my opinion that gov't has gotten way to big and way out of hand. They are in the peoples personal lives to deeply. They dehumanize us with laws and penalties. The authority doesn't serve and protect us, they treat us like terrorists and beat us into submission.

To many lose thier freedoms for nonviolent crimes and for what really. Does it or has it helped any of the problems. Since the war on drugs was started. How much money has been spent to fight something with OUR MONEY and it keeps going and getting worse with no end. How many trips to the moon did we waste on this pitiful war?

Since the war for oil, decades they been promoting independence of it and for decades we been geting nothing but death and higher energy prices. We wiill never be free if we let this continue. This dependency has turned this nation into an empire not a republic. This is not freedom, this is slavery.

They continue to keep us as slaves by tricking us into beliving that thier is still scarcity in this world, when in fact we can produce enough for everyone and sustain. We have been able for sometime now but profit seems to trump human life alot more these days.

We don't even have a right to work but we are expected to pay for our food, clothes, board, taxes, fees, fines, healthcare, retirement and the list goes on. We may even lose our freedom if we are not able to do so. Is that freedom, seems like tyranny to me.

It seems to me that most politicians have turned thier backs on the American people. I see Ron Paul as the brightest beacon that this nation has seen in a long time for freedom. The sad thing is that he was basically ignored for 30 years. Most politicians seem to have thier own agendas like how they can fill thier pockets instead of the American people in mind.

WE NEED TO REDUCE THIS GOV'T AND ITS HOLD ON US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE NEED TO DEFINE FREEDOM TO PROTECT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE NEED TO REDUCE OUR MILLITRAY AND STOP BEING IMPERIALISTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE NEED THE BASIC RIGHT TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE NEED TO BECOME EMPOWERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONLY THEN WILL WE HAVE OUR FREEDOM.

My definition of freedom has the words life, liberty, justice, employment, and the persuit of happiness in it, does yours?


reply posted on 22-6-2011 @ 07:41 AM by haarvik
People amaze me. What is he really going to do in office? Is he another puppet? All politicians are the same. yada, yada, yada. Well IMHO, what the hell do we have to lose? Nobama sucked ass, and GW did as well. If he is another puppet, then we are no worse off than we are now. If he is the real deal, then we prosper and become a great nation once again. I think it is worth the chance. you know there must be something real about him when the Dem's admit they like him! They don't agree with him, but they admire the fact that his message has not changed in 30 years. That's what integrity is. So, you can vote the status quot, or like some have said, no vote at all and keep complaining, or you can do something about it and give the man his chance. If you don't vote, or vote for someone else, then when nothing changes you have only yourself to blame, and no one else.

I have no respect for anyone who voted for Obama. They drank the kool-aide, and even refilled their glass. Anyone with common sense and some intelligence researched the commie and saw through the veil. They now act disappointed he didn't do what he said he would. Duh! His promises were contrary to what his past roles were! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what he was going to do in office! So before you write Paul off as a status-quot guy, do the research. See what he is about. See that his past is not contradictory to his current views. He does have integrity and he does genuinely love his country, unlike the commie bast*rd in office now!


reply posted on 23-6-2011 @ 11:09 AM by 4Starlight2Decay0
reply to post by Jazzyguy



We can sense our own kind a mile away lol. We know what we're looking for so when we see it we know/
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