Ron Paul: I Want To 'Legalize Freedom' What's So Bad About That? , page 4

reply to post by TheLieWeLive

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Not only that, but he talks of, changing things for the "present" generation to make all our lives better, not just our kids and grandkids.

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reply to post by jimnuggits

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You realize of course that Ron Paul has been one of the 545 for over two decades, right?

Working to turn the course as well as warning us about the course the whole time...

Do you really think his moving to a new office will afford him some power he doesn't already possess? One man does not a revolution make, and any man who has sat by for twenty plus years while those beloved Constitutional rights were usurped is part of the Problem.

You are aware that the president is commander-in-chief of the US military, that the presidency is frequently used as a bully pulpit for leading other charges, and that the president possesses veto powers in addition to the ability to issue pardons as well?

And that a congressman does NOT have these powers?

And could you clarify how exactly Paul just sat by, or what else he could have done? It would be most enlightening for all of us so we can add that to our list of things to address with our own congressmen - most of whom have done less to help than Paul, I'd be willing to bet.

There is no fixing this cluster {snip} we call Washington, folks.

Corporations stole it many years ago, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner we can get on with the pitchforks and torches.

Sure, so don't bother even trying - or helping someone who wants to aid us in this fight get into a position of authority more likely to be able to do so, and continue to sit there and do nothing instead of grabbing that pitchfork and actually going after the people that caused these problems.

Paul is another empty promise...

Wrong. He's another chance, with a better record and understanding than any others we've had for quite some time.

Good god, at least I give people a chance to lose my faith by trying to give them a CHANCE to fix things first...what must it be like to live in a completely faithless and hopeless world some of you people inhabit?

PS.
On a side note, you might want to read Ron Paul's article My Plan for a Freedom President to get his opinions on what a president actually can do and what he would try to accomplish directly instead of just blindly saying presidents can't do anything to help, while they are magically somehow able to do plenty to hurt. Crikey.

reply to post by Screwed

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You have a right to bear arms..........Legalize freedom, and keep yourself safe.

Ron Paul has no chance.

Ron Paul's policies will put major pain upon many people in this country...that is a fact. There is no freedom in poverty...and his policies will never prevent it

He won't get the elderly vote, he certainly won't get the minority vote....but he will be most popular with young white men....especially if ATS is any indication based on it's stats and numerous daily Ron Paul threads with tons of flags and stars....usually repeating the same exact thing we've all seen 1000 times before.

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reply to post by jude11

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Good video. IMO the poll that puts Ron Paul at 7% was staged to look that way.

TPTB are worried that Ron Paul could win.

I agree with many of his ideas, but others I don't think are so great, but still he is the best candidate and the only one with real solutions to the problems we have.

Down with the NWO, and vote Ron Paul for president 2012.

reply to post by David9176

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Ron Paul's policies will put major pain upon many people in this country...that is a fact. There is no freedom in poverty...and his policies will never prevent it

What candy coated planet do you come from? No other President has implemented policies that prevented poverty, and the insane notion that poverty can be prevented is what is used to justify the gross intrusions of government to begin with.

If you truly believe that poverty prevents freedom then it is you who lives in a trap and no amount of wealth - earned or stolen from those you envy - will free you.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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If you truly believe that poverty prevents freedom then it is you who lives in a trap and no amount of wealth - earned or stolen from those you envy - will free you.

If you are foolish enough to think it doesn't then it is you who lives in a trap. Go ahead and continue to dazzle yourself with Ron Paul ....you'll be sitting here in 2012 complaining about it just as everyone was in 2008. Should be a good boost for ATS traffic anyway.

And of course no President can stop ALL poverty, the point is his policies will do nothing to help those already in a mess.

Regardless of how you feel about me, he still has to explain why he wouldn't have voted for the Civil Rights act, the newsletters, etc. I'm not the one who needs convincing....it's the mainstream that needs convincing. Maybe you'd be best served going door to door explaining his policies instead of conversing with me....because quite frankly you are wasting your time.

Candy coated planet??


Wish it was, my kid would love it.

reply to post by David9176

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Originally posted by David9176
Ron Paul has no chance.

Ron Paul's policies will put major pain upon many people in this country...that is a fact. There is no freedom in poverty...and his policies will never prevent it

He won't get the elderly vote, he certainly won't get the minority vote....but he will be most popular with young white men....especially if ATS is any indication based on it's stats and numerous daily Ron Paul threads with tons of flags and stars....usually repeating the same exact thing we've all seen 1000 times before.

edit on 21-6-2011 by David9176 because: (no reason given)

Its not accurate to say that Ron Paul has "no chance". I would agree that it is not going to be easy (especially with the constant attacks from the establishment and corporate media) but his message of bringing the troops home, sound money and protection of our civil liberties is resonating with a LOT of people.

Contrary to your statement, many people in the minority communities support Ron Paul (assuming they have taken the time to understand his true policies and not the establishment propaganda). For example, Ron Paul is an outspoken critic of the war on drugs which has imprisoned many for non-violent drug related offenses. This issue possibly more than any other directly affects the minority community.

reply to post by jude11

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We are experiencing the end of an age. The civilization that built the great pyramid lived in the golden age and we are about to begin making our way toward that. I's sad how the media pawns keep making up these polls and even put Paul at 0%. He may be old but I doubt if a building was hit by another plane that he would just sit and continue reading the book like teh person we shall never again speak of..

reply to post by David9176

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If you are foolish enough to think it doesn't then it is you who lives in a trap. Go ahead and continue to dazzle yourself with Ron Paul ....you'll be sitting here in 2012 complaining about it just as everyone was in 2008. Should be a good boost for ATS traffic anyway.

Go ahead and deflect in hopes that no one will notice that you actually pretend that government policy will "prevent poverty". Go ahead and pretend that I am "dazzled" by Ron Paul. You would be hard pressed to find a single post of mine that reveals bedazzlement over any politician, including Paul.

Your facile predictions will only come back to haunt you.

And of course no President can stop ALL poverty, the point is his policies will do nothing to help those already in a mess.

All problems are self manifested and no Presidential policy or any other government policy will fix your problems.

Regardless of how you feel about me, he still has to explain why he wouldn't have voted for the Civil Rights act, the newsletters, etc. I'm not the one who needs convincing....it's the mainstream that needs convincing. Maybe you'd be best served going door to door explaining his policies instead of conversing with me....because quite frankly you are wasting your time.

Of course I am wasting my time with you. You decided long ago that other people must be taxed to support you and your family. It isn't you I am trying to convince of anything. It is those readers sitting on the fence of freedom that I make my replies.

You can hopelessly attempt to frame me as some mindless political acolyte, but this thread is less about Ron Paul, and more about the absurd notion that freedom can be made illegal, and/or "legalized".

reply to post by David9176

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Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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If you truly believe that poverty prevents freedom then it is you who lives in a trap and no amount of wealth - earned or stolen from those you envy - will free you.

And of course no President can stop ALL poverty, the point is his policies will do nothing to help those already in a mess.

Can you be specific with regards to which policies and state why you think they would "do nothing" to help?

reply to post by jude11

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I know why Ron Paul wants to "Legalise Freedom", this would remove your right as a sovereign being to conduct business as an independent party within the UNITED STATES Corporation.

You need to understand what you are and how you are truly as close to freedom as you are going to get, without taking further action.

Freedom in Legalese is the freedom to operate within a corporation under contract.

Ron Paul you might think is a starry eyed saviour of the U.S, but he is trying to remove "Americans right to freedom" and replace it with "Legalised freedom", this is why freedom wasn't "Legalised" it is a god given right to all americans. He is wanting to replace it with "The Legel right to freedom within the United States Corporation".

This has come about because a lot of people have began waking up to corporate contract the United States Corporation operates under and you operate as a Sub Company that has given your permission to the United States Corporation to treat you according to it's statutes and codes whilst you inhabit its corporate body.

Think of yourself as a ship , you are on your own private ship, X, their is also a corporate ship (you) that is operating with a corporate name (Mr. Mrs, Miss, Mz, X), they cannot force you to inhabit that ship you do so under your free will by agreeing to use the corporate identity.
You can at anytime you like recind the corporate status you have by using the correct corporate procedure and using the corrrect filings in any "Court".

The "Court" is a Corporeate entity that is involved in trying to ensure your willingness to enter into contract in your corporate name for corporate statutes and Codes to be Legal and binding.

Your freedom does not need to be enshrined in Legalese as it would remove your rights to operate as an "American", the only freedom you would see is the freedom to call yourself in Law a U.S (Corp) Citizen, this isn't freedom, not in any sense of the word.

Please watch this youtube. and somebody more erudite than myself i hope will make a thread outlining the ramifications of this "Legal" Freedom.

Any freedom under this law is not freedom, its freedom for the law to take away your final escape route and make you it's sole possessor. i sh*t you not.

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