Israeli Air Force just too good to be true

Umm... the B-52 are equipped with a variety of Laser guided and GPS guided bombs. All it takes is a US solider on the ground holding a laser in the relative position of the taliban. It wont matter with a couple 2000LB JDAM�s. If the Taliban are within 100 feet of the explosion they are toast.

actually,the US army kills a lot of civilians each time they are at war.

i doubt israel could defeat Russia,they would just roll over israel with an army of T-80's and Mig's/Sukhoi's

yo westpoint23,

get me some links to reports of direct hits when bombing in Afghanistan,
THEN...we'll talk!!!

Originally posted by DarkSide
actually,the US army kills a lot of civilians each time they are at war.

i doubt israel could defeat Russia,they would just roll over israel with an army of T-80's and Mig's/Sukhoi's

its great that they kill civilians. However, im talking about killing the enemy!!!

and please!!! dont ever under estimate tiny Israel, because an attack against her would only awake a sleeping GIANT!

longbow:

Sorry to wake you up but the USA ALREADY WON IN AFGANISTAN. And without any real problems.

Haha, good one.



And as for Israel vs Russia, Russia would wipe the floor with them with sheer numbers.

Israel vs China? Um, SHEER numbers again.

The Israeli Air Force does well against refugees and lines of planes in Egypt that they can pick off on the ground, and maybe the USS Liberty, but give them an ACTUAL huge army to fight, and no way.

Originally posted by Jakomo
longbow:

Sorry to wake you up but the USA ALREADY WON IN AFGANISTAN. And without any real problems.

Haha, good one.



And as for Israel vs Russia, Russia would wipe the floor with them with sheer numbers.

Israel vs China? Um, SHEER numbers again.

The Israeli Air Force does well against refugees and lines of planes in Egypt that they can pick off on the ground, and maybe the USS Liberty, but give them an ACTUAL huge army to fight, and no way.

Israel vs. Russia = a country with second most advanced Air Force in the world vs. a country facing money/funding problems. you do the math!!!

Israel vs. China? thats a joke!!! China depends on Israeli technology and weapons.

The Six-Day War was not the only war Israel fought. wat about the Yom Kippur War? Israel had its back to the wall!!! and the IAF still managed to shoot down over 400 enemy planes in dogfights!!! thats not just doing well, that PURE DOMINANCE!!!

The USS Liberty- this was NO MISTAKE!!! this was clearly a deliberate attack by Israel due to, most likely, national security concerns.

In the Israeli Independence War(1948), Israel was attacked by 6 ARAB NATIONS. It was Israel that was threatened with destruction and against all odds, they prevail!!! can you explain that?

Originally posted by Jakomo
longbow:

Sorry to wake you up but the USA ALREADY WON IN AFGANISTAN. And without any real problems.

Haha, good one.



And as for Israel vs Russia, Russia would wipe the floor with them with sheer numbers.

Israel vs China? Um, SHEER numbers again.

The Israeli Air Force does well against refugees and lines of planes in Egypt that they can pick off on the ground, and maybe the USS Liberty, but give them an ACTUAL huge army to fight, and no way.

Hmmm...I think the last time Israeli IAF planes made combat operations in Israel was more than 10 years ago. We use helicopters to kill terrorists.

And hmmm... remind me, when was the last time the US/Russia/Chine had any real huge army fight, with planes on both sides?
Killing iraqis who have weapons from WW2 (ok, 1960s) is not exactely actual fight, same thing with throwing bombs on a desert.

And... hmmm, wasn't an american F-117 shot down in Bosnia? its a stealth plane, and it wasn't even shut down by a missile
And why the hell does the US loses helicopters each time they go to fight, while in israel we were using them almost each day for about 3 years and not even one got shot down (and the Palestinians have lots of RPGs)?
I think Israel had much more recent air battles that Russia or China or the US, and we actually shot down planes from the air (and suffered almost no losses), and not just bombed ground targets.

We supply china with technology: radars, missiles, etc'... the maybe have bigger numbers, but other than that they are far behind us on the military level.

Plus, we have some of the most advanced weapons and army tech on the planet. Python 5 is probably the best AA missile after the AIM-9X, we have one of the best assault rifles in the world (Tavor), we have some of the most advanced UAVs on earth, we have the best Anti-ballistic missile on earth, we have some of the most advanced radars (sadly the US didn't agree to put the Israeli rader we wanted on the F-16I), the F-16I is one the best operational planes in the whole world (and it has lots of Israeli modifications), Merkava mark 4 is one of the best tanks on earth, we develop a large part of the THEL system, people from all over the world come to consult with us about CT and CQB tactics (yes, including specialists from the us) and making joint SF exercises with our SF units, we have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world (and our military intelligence is also quite awsome) and we have advanced nuclear weapons (including neutron bombs probably).

And we didn't just bought those from the us, we developed it most of it by ourselves.

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israel's 362 F-16's couldn't handle the thousands of russian planes,sorry about that,and on the ground they would quickly outnumber the israeli army,with millions of soldiers and thousands of T80/90's

50% of this thread has nothing to do with weaponry.

I don't understand why some members feel the need to insert their political views into everything anyone else says. We're talking about airplanes, not barbs like "childkillers".

No one was discussing the morality of the Israeli government, they were discussing weaponry. If that is too difficult for you to comprehend then maybe you should reconsider your enrollment in this forum.

Add the political mudslinging to the witty one line posts with no intent other than to insult, and we have the makings of a thread that should either be tidied up, shut, or moved.

It's a shame because the topic was very interesting until it was hijacked by the usual moral saviors.

[edit on 8-10-2004 by Djarums]

Israel vs China? Um, SHEER numbers again.

If you think a thousand lowly third generation fighters is really going to overwhelm Isreal you're a fool. The Chinese have awful pilots, and awful planes. Hell, their J-10 was designed by Isreali engineers. China isn't a threat to any modern nation in the air.

its great that they kill civilians. However, im talking about killing the enemy!!!

Iraq and Afghanistan have actually set entirely new, and very good standards for civillian deaths. This is just a lot of ignorant slander.

get me some links to reports of direct hits when bombing in Afghanistan

They just bombed a safehouse not more than a few weeks ago, killing dozens.

And... hmmm, wasn't an american F-117 shot down in Bosnia? its a stealth plane, and it wasn't even shut down by a missile

A number of factors led to the F-117 going down, and really none of them had to do with the Serbs...It was not a matter of them detecting the F-117 or lack of skill by the pilot.

And why the hell does the US loses helicopters each time they go to fight, while in israel we were using them almost each day for about 3 years and not even one got shot down (and the Palestinians have lots of RPGs)?

We fought a real war in Iraq, who was widely equipped with Russian and French weapons. The quality of weaponry between the insurgents and the Palestinians is not comparable.

Isreal has very skilled pilots, probably the best in the world. They have little chance with defending themselves against America or Russia, though. America and Russia ultimately have superior technology, and far greater numbers.

Originally posted by DarkSide
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israel's 362 F-16's couldn't handle the thousands of russian planes,sorry about that,and on the ground they would quickly outnumber the israeli army,with millions of soldiers and thousands of T80/90's

this is, by far, the dumbest thing i've heard.

you're right. Israeli F-16s cant do the job alone. thats why Israel has F-15s!!! the IAF is more technologically advanced and more experienced than the Russian Air Force. Therefore, the Russian Air Force is not considered a serious threat to Israel. CASE CLOSED

speaking of ground units, Russia would be a sitting duck to the IAF.

more importantly, where will Russia have the money for maintenance and fuel? thats a major problem for Russia. Israel receives $6B a year from the USA and funding for war is not a problem.

However, the real question is...

forget about the whole israeli military. which country, in their right state of mind, would dare challenge the IAF alone?

The U.S.A

Also just to edit and add.The UK,France,and Russia.

You are making a ridiculous presumption that airpower would in some way stand alone.

It would not.

What about the Israeli navy?

How many carrier groups does it have.

Anyone of those four countries mentioned about could control the Med as long as there was no interference from each other.

[edit on 10-8-2004 by John bull 1]

...Russia ultimately have superior technology, and far greater numbers.

LMAO!!!

r you on crack!?! Russia has superior technology? thats retarded!!!

Israel will dominate Russian airspace ANYDAY!!! dont forget that Israel invented the jamming system. SCREW STEALTH!!! Besides Israel already made radars capable of detecting stealth aircraft. back to the jamming systems... i wouldnt be surprised if Russian planes get shot down out of nowhere!!!

A number of factors led to the F-117 going down, and really none of them had to do with the Serbs...It was not a matter of them detecting the F-117 or lack of skill by the pilot.

Well, I guess you are right, but It just seems that if an aircraft was shot down - then something must have gone wrong.

We fought a real war in Iraq, who was widely equipped with Russian and French weapons. The quality of weaponry between the insurgents and the Palestinians is not comparable.

Well I don't know. It seems to me like most of the US helicopters who got shot down - were hit by a simple RPG. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Isreal has very skilled pilots, probably the best in the world. They have little chance with defending themselves against America or Russia, though. America and Russia ultimately have superior technology, and far greater numbers.

I don't know about the technology (they indeed have better manned-aircraft technology because we purchase planes from other countries, but other than that I'm not really sure). But its clear that Israel indeed has no chance against russia or the US.

Israel will dominate Russian airspace ANYDAY!!! dont forget that Israel invented the jamming system. SCREW STEALTH!!! Besides Israel already made radars capable of detecting stealth aircraft. back to the jamming systems... i wouldnt be surprised if Russian planes get shot down out of nowhere!!!

It's great that you have so much pride in Isreal, but I think you may be overestimating your capability some. Russia's SU-30's are impressive, and are nice competition for F-15's. If they were equal in quantity, I have no doubt Isreal would win. Ultimately Russia has far greater numbers, though.

Isreal's military just isn't designed to fight a modern superpower.

Well, I guess you are right, but It just seems that if an aircraft was shot down - then something must have gone wrong.

There were tactical errors made, but there was also a sympathizer of the Serbs right within the upper ranks of the planners. It was not the fault of the F-117, or the pilot.

Well I don't know. It seems to me like most of the US helicopters who got shot down - were hit by a simple RPG. Correct me if I'm wrong. [/quote[

The Iraqis use some French and Russian designs, though. Where do the Palestinians get their arms?

Originally posted by John bull 1
The U.S.A

Also just to edit and add.The UK,France,and Russia.

You are making a ridiculous presumption that airpower would in some way stand alone.

It would not.

What about the Israeli navy?

How many carrier groups does it have.

Anyone of those four countries mentioned about could control the Med as long as there was no interference from each other.

[edit on 10-8-2004 by John bull 1]

the US is the only nation thats capable of destroying Israel. However, they will never fight each other.

I already took care of Russia. the IAF is the backbone the Israeli military.

French aircraft dont stand a chance against American made fighters(especially with Israeli systems installed in them)

the UK is also a close ally to Israel. I really doubt they would fight each other.

Israel dont need carriers because America will fight the war for them!!!

Russia couldnt beat the Afghanis in the 80s!!!
the Brits couldn't control the Mid East territory in the 40s!!!

wat would you rather have, Air Superiority or Sea Superiority?

Your question was an open one it excluded political concerns.

Destroying Israel is a completely different question but we'll stick to conventional weapons.

Any attack on Israel by a major power would start with a cruise missile attack taking out many of the Israeli airforce bases.Any one of the four countries I mentioned above could do this and then control the eastern Med with Carrier groups and controling the airspace hundreds of miles around them.

Personally I find these type of who is best discussions silly.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
[The Iraqis use some French and Russian designs, though. Where do the Palestinians get their arms?

Syria, Lebanon, Iran, who knows....

[edit on 10/8/04 by Transc3ndent]

Yes I agreee with John Bull, the best tactical strike would be a land barrage of cruise missiles on all the known airfields and hangers in a simultaneous attack wave. Followed by a massive air drop of conventional bombs by a high alttitude bomber group, then a total pounding by large naval vessels at sea. I doubt their airforce would have much of a chance to change the tables on this kind of threat.

Sure the IAF might get a few planes in the air, and might shoot down a few bombers and maybe some escorts. But overall they would be pounded into oblivion.

It's great that you have so much pride in Isreal, but I think you may be overestimating your capability some. Russia's SU-30's are impressive, and are nice competition for F-15's. If they were equal in quantity, I have no doubt Isreal would win. Ultimately Russia has far greater numbers, though.

dont you think the Mossad knows this? if they knew they couldn't beat Russia, then they wouldn't DEMAND them to stop supplying fuel rods to Iran!!!

Israeli military not designed to fight a superpower?

ISRAEL IS A SUPERPOWER!!!
the problem is that they're always overshadowed by the USA.