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Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Palestine has already cut Hamas off as they have done nothing positive nor constructive for anyone. Hamas like Hezbollah is not to be trusted.
Don't know where you have gotten that impression. Fatah and Hamas supposedly have patched up their differences. I would not trust Hamas, especially since the best offer they have given is a multi-year ceasefire and that they wouldn't be bound by past agreements. What happens after the ceasefire expires in Hamas's vision of the world? At least they are stupidly honest about their intentions.
This "Third Intifada" is just another episode of Arabs shooting themselves in the foot. Seriously... If there's anything that can make matters worst for the Palestinians, it's the Arabs themselves. They try to advance Palestinian causes while acting as if Israel doesn't exist and then they're "surprised" when there's an Israeli response...
This intifada is not as bad as when the Palestinians voted Hamas into power, but it still showed a high level of stupidity. If the Arabs continue to show a lack of critical thinking, like this intifada,
the Palestinians are f**ked.
If the Arabs wanted more land, they should've accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947(The Jews did) and recognized the the State of Israel in 1948. Had they've done that, Israel would've been a lot smaller today. But did the Arabs do that? NO. They thought they could just get rid of Israel themselves and they paid the price. The Arabs lost more land ever since, because of one stupid mistake after another...
The world can vote on a Palestinian state AGAIN, but it won't make a difference if the Arab states don't recognize the State of Israel.
This vote will just provoke more conflict in the region and let's not forget that Israel today has one of the most advanced, sophisticated, and highly trained militaries in the world. So who's going to pay the price AGAIN? It's like they just don't want to learn from their mistakes...
Please review my post again and tell me where Im wrong.
but ignores the fact that there is a concentration-camp state living under the boots of israel.
the msm does not report the full extent/magnitude of their misery.
the violence perpetrated upon the israelis by Palestinians acting out over THEIR land being taken over is also exaggerated...
or are they rationalizing that what the nazis were doing was bad.
And how can Palestine grow with Israel's settlements and the blockade on needed items to build?
Also in Israel's own words, they are worried about "defensive borders'. That means they will take MORE land around the settlements as a buffer zone..
What makes you think it's that bad? You do realize that day to day interaction between soldiers and Palestinians is friendly and civil, do you?
And as for concentration camps? I have (Arab) friends who go to nightclubs in Ramallah and Nablus instead of Tel Aviv.. Concentration camps? Where the hell is this coming from?
How do you know? When have you ever lived here?
Have you considered the possibility that your news sources are reporting with the complete polar opposite bias of what you're describing?
What makes you distrust the MSM, and completely trust your news sources?
so, depending on the narrative of your choice, news favoring one side will always be lies, bull# and propaganda, and news favoring the other side will always be "the truth".
The situation in Israel is far from the events of the holocaust, the fact that you were led to believe otherwise, like many others are, is what's most troubling.
The negotiations talk about Israel keeping around 2-3 percent of the West Bank. That's it.
will you be convinced?
my geographical location need not cloud my sensibilities or my sense of judegement. Wrong is wrong.
Are you telling me that the Palestinians are actually happy that they have been living under the boots of the Israelis? Are they happy living the way they are?
and no, your 5 Arab nightclub friends dont count
Give me one good reason to trust the MSM as a reliable source of information.
Are you going to tell me that I've been following bull# propaganda in condeming the Nazis???
This said, dont expect me to condone whatever a 21st century jew does, simply because I sympathize with their ordeal during WW2.
But that does not change the fact that the situation in Israel eerily resebles the attitude of the nazis, when it came to dealing with people who did not fit in with their...well.... rather naughty ideology.
The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak reportedly offered the Palestinian leader approximately 95% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip, if 69 Jewish settlements (which comprise 85% of the West Bank's Jewish settlers) be ceded to Israel.
Proposed in the Fall of 2000 following the collapse of the Camp David talks, The Clinton Parameters included a plan on which the Palestinian State was to include 94-96% of the West Bank,[...] and in exchange for that, Israel would concede some territory [...] The swap would consist of 1-3% of Israeli territory, such that the final borders of the West Bank part of the Palestinian state would include 97% of the land of the original borders.
They have actually implied they want MORE land, not less. and that's recently..
The whole defensible borders thing is bull#, it's political mumbo jumbo that's meant to stall the whole thing, just as the whole "we can't negotiate while 50 more houses are built" is the same kind of political bull# meant to stall the negotiations.
Originally posted by Eliad
reply to post by DJAghetto
Well, if it makes an difference to you, it seems like the majority of Palestinians refused to take part in this third Intifada, so it seems as though things have changed.
It just doesn't make sense, it's a silly made up story meant to make the Jews into a conniving scheming race of shadowy figures, who'd made everyone their puppets, and to which you must resist.