100% conclusive evidence that a plane did hit the pentagon.

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Darth_Prime
If i Created a 'Computer Animated' Picture of a Missile Hitting the Pentagon wold that be 'conclusive Evidence' and Sway your mind?



How wide would your missile be to hit all the objects shown!!!




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Immortalgemini527
 


Outlandish is believeing a 7x7 could fly into a building at that angle, it is simply impossible, I have stated many times that the engines will have stalled far back from the location of impact and the aircraft would have simply fallen short. I am not saying I know the answer to what actually happened but what I am saying is the video evidence provided with the computer graphics just cannot be true. Any airline pilot would tell you that.


There is one airline pilot on here that wouldn't agree with you!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
If i Created a 'Computer Animated' Picture of a Missile Hitting the Pentagon wold that be 'conclusive Evidence' and Sway your mind?



How wide would your missile be to hit all the objects shown!!!



I didn't say if it 'Was' a Missile, i was just saying, that is basically what this topic is about a 'Computer Generated Picture' is not conclusive evidence,

Why don't they just release the bloody video then and put these so called 'Nut-Job Conspiracies' to rest?

wouldn't that be the easiest solution, if they wanted to prove we are 'Wrong' release the Blasted Video



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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1. There was a Plane!

2. It did not hit the Pentagon!

3. There was and still is a cover-up!

4. Watch this video, ALL OF IT, of real witnesses, not just some animation and then try to understand the real lies behind the attack of 9/11.




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Who is? Do you think they would come and discuss here as I would like to know how they think they would manage to keep the lift flying in at such a low angle, with a low speed and pinpoint accuracy with absolutly no ILS instrumentation, TACAN beacon or ground based Radar to guide them to their target. Let alone the fact the pilot has never flown an airline before in their life.

I would really like to hear that one so please do tell?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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certainly not here,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and for your information, if you can read(since alot of post mentioned it)

A MISSILE CAN BE MOUNTED ON A UAV
AND SOME UAV HAS A WINGSPAN OF 40 METERS(130 FEET)
130 feet can effing throw a lampost or 2 at mach 0.5.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Well...I remember discussing the Pentagon incident quite some time ago. As many others have pointed out..It doesn't seem to have nearly enough coverage or interest. There are too many holes in the official story.
But I won't bother reiterating what's been said many times before. I will however, say that National Security Alert has done the best first hand investigation over the Pentagon incident.

sirric already has a link to it...I just noticed that
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Immortalgemini527
 


He'd need some luck considering his engines would have stalled about 2 miles back.


According to what little I can understand from the NTSB report would 300 kts @ 5000 feet be considered a stall speed? How about 450 kts below 500 feet? These were the speeds and altitudes at 09:35 and 09:38 respectively (9:38 being the roughly presumed impact time as there is no altitude - or any other readings after that)
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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sigh

the obvious hole in the missile theory is the people who died on the plane. how do you account for them ? do you go with ;

a) they are fake, just look at pics on the web or a youtube video. ignore funerals, death certificates, birth certificates, school records and medical records.

b) the gov't abducted them as they walked from the airport waiting area to the plane, then killed them all and disposed of the bodies and nobody ever found out or confessed from a guilty conscience.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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There is no way the plane will have been doing 450 knts at 500 ft for any period of time as the plane will have been uncontrolable. Any slight movement on the controls would almost definately lead to catastraphe. Also it would take a very talented pilot to come in at 450knts without instruments and to actually hit the target, however to hit lamp posts would indicate more a height of 30 ft. about about 200 meters out from target, between then and target the aircraft virtually lost no altitude. None of that makes any sense either way, which is why I am saying what is being described in the video is impossible.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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there are MANY ways they could do away with the passengers...

-the plane takes off,...the passengers are gassed,... it is then intercepted by military jets,...escorted to a military base,...where the passengers are off-loaded,...personal effects are acquired,..the plane is flown out into the deep ocean,... downed...they then replace the plane ...they can make up any story they wanted...




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Have you looked at the passengers list?
I find it difficult to believe that all of these people, so many "important" people were on the same plane, yeah you have a few house wives and what not, but the rest are not your everyday people.
I don't see any mention of the terrorists on the lists either, none of the passenger lists have the names of the terrorists on them, don't you find this little piece of missing information important, don't you want to know who did what?
Are all of the eye wittinesses lying about the flight path, even the Air force guy is lying?
Everyone saw the plane on the north side, why does the video say it was on the south side?
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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so you are going with "a" ?

so all the funerals were part of the cover up ?
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Did they have anything to bury?

Because a dog inside the pentagon found no trace of human remain just like Shanksville
www.youtube.com...


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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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My theory is that some of these people were on a list, a list of people that for some reason needed to disappear and that the plane crash or what ever happened was used to fulfill this list, DNA information can be faked if you are threatened like many witnesses were threatened who told stories that did not conform to the OS and many others that "committed suicide or died strange deaths.
That's only my theory.
Edit: I think that what hit the Pentagon was a missile disguised as a plane or some other aircraft that looked like a plane, I don't believe that all of those people were on the plane.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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If the plane hit the way that they say and went through all of the beams, walls and other stuff, then there wouldn't be much of the bodies to bury. I remember seeing a few photos of complete bodies still sitting on the plane seats despite the huge blast and going through the building. Those I believe are planted or fake photos.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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There is no way the plane will have been doing 450 knts at 500 ft for any period of time as the plane will have been uncontrolable. Any slight movement on the controls would almost definately lead to catastraphe. Also it would take a very talented pilot to come in at 450knts without instruments and to actually hit the target, however to hit lamp posts would indicate more a height of 30 ft. about about 200 meters out from target, between then and target the aircraft virtually lost no altitude. None of that makes any sense either way, which is why I am saying what is being described in the video is impossible.


Well, from what I can find - the flight data recorder says it was in the last minute of flight that #77 went from 300kts to 450kts - so it wasn't a long period of time. However, this doesn't really address your comment about stall speed which was my original question.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Elieser
reply to post by syrinx high priest
Have you looked at the passengers list?
I find it difficult to believe that all of these people, so many "important" people were on the same plane, yeah you have a few house wives and what not, but the rest are not your everyday people.


According to the site listed in the link below, 15 of 53 passengers were in *some* way Gov't related. Personally, I don't really find that terribly unusual.

911review.org...



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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They were not just government related people, read the information on your link, these were people involved in top secret stuff, look at the companies they worked for.
A quote from your link:
"The odds against this being a random group of 53 American Airlines passengers are simply astronomical! There are more top secret security clearances here than in most medium-sized cities in America."

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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I do not know the actual events but what I do know is what could not have happened. And that is important in this thread because the OP uses a video that in my opinion is impossible to use as the reason why to state 100% proof that events occured as the MSM picked up.


I can only imagine the response from the OP if anyone doubting the OS posted a computer generated "cartoon" video as "proof" that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

I don't know why there are so many who continue to indulge these "debunkers" by arguing these points over and over. After 10 years of this nonsense, it should be clear to everyone that these people are not interested in anything but ridiculing those who don't believe the OS and casting doubt in minds of those who might be on the fence.

It's time to ignore them. Let them post their ignorant threads and don't respond....then wave "bye-bye" to the thread as it fades off into the ATS archives. Hopefully, one day these so-called "debunkers" will get their punishment for being purveyors of these lies which make them accessories to murder and treason.





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