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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Has anyone actually watched/listened to the conversation in the video?
The silver iodide is admitted, now how many times through history do we learn of things that were done in secret? They can claim natural contrails or silver iodide seeding is all that's going on, but some of us don't really feel secure trusting the word of corporations/government revolving door inbred cotton heads in suits.
How about the debunkers drink a nice glass of sodium fluoride or silver iodide? If it's so safe, go take a nice chug of the stuff in some water. Do you feel ANY amount of those toxic substances are SAFE for YOU to consume?
Originally posted by firepilot
Toxicity has to do with the DOSAGE, I know that involves numbers so that makes it hard for chemmies to understand, but just because something is toxic a a high level, does not mean therefore that any potential theoretical contact is then the same.
For all of us, can you come up with a scenario from cloud seeding where someone gets exposed to that much silver iodide as just chomping on a flare? No, you cant. You are just another chemmie, spreading fear.
Originally posted by miniatus
Alcohol is toxic... WATER is toxic .. too much of it will kill you
As pointed out, dosage is the key .. people consume silver .. you can buy ingest-able silver even today in colloidal form..
Potential Health Effects
Eye: May cause eye irritation.
Skin: May cause skin irritation. Can cause eczema and rash.
Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated. Chronic ingestion of iodides during pregnancy has resulted in fetal death, severe goiter, and cretinoid appearance of the newborn.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. May cause effects similar to those described for ingestion. The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated.
Chronic: Chronic inhalation or ingestion of silver salts may cause argyria characterized by a permanent blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin, mucous membranes, and internal organs. This malady results from the accumulation of silver in the body. Chronic ingestion of iodides during pregnancy has resulted in fetal death, severe goiter, and cretinoid appearance of the newborn.
Prolonged exposure to iodides may produce iodism in sensitive individuals. Symptoms could include skin rash, running nose and headache.
Originally posted by JibbyJedi
reply to post by miniatus
The pilot said you can't tell the difference between the silver iodide and a natural contrail. He said those chemical trails mimic ice crystals. How do we know "for sure" that they are doing more than just what the people are aware of? They are spraying a toxic pollutant, in ANY amount, is insanity! Just because it's "well known for a long time now" doesn't make it right.
They intentionally poison drinking water with a well known toxic poison..... insane.
They intentionally spray toxic pollutants in the air..... insane.
Now you actually believe these same people are looking out for your best interests and care about your health?
They are spraying crap on us and we are breathing it in all the time, then we go inside and drink the stuff in ALL our beverages. Do you think you juice and beer are made with all natural spring water? Hell No! These companies use tap water with sodium fluoride to produce all the juices and beer everyone consumes, WAY over the safe levels of sodium fluoride consumption.
And if you haven't noticed... everyone is sick and on medications, well almost everyone. 20 years ago I might've known 1 out of 100 people on some kind of medication, now it's 4 out of 5 people in the USA.
Originally posted by JibbyJedi
reply to post by miniatus
The pilot said you can't tell the difference between the silver iodide and a natural contrail. He said those chemical trails mimic ice crystals. How do we know "for sure" that they are doing more than just what the people are aware of? They are spraying a toxic pollutant, in ANY amount, is insanity! Just because it's "well known for a long time now" doesn't make it right.
They intentionally poison drinking water with a well known toxic poison..... insane.
They intentionally spray toxic pollutants in the air..... insane.
Now you actually believe these same people are looking out for your best interests and care about your health?
They are spraying crap on us and we are breathing it in all the time, then we go inside and drink the stuff in ALL our beverages. Do you think you juice and beer are made with all natural spring water? Hell No! These companies use tap water with sodium fluoride to produce all the juices and beer everyone consumes, WAY over the safe levels of sodium fluoride consumption.
And if you haven't noticed... everyone is sick and on medications, well almost everyone. 20 years ago I might've known 1 out of 100 people on some kind of medication, now it's 4 out of 5 people in the USA.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Nutter
An unsourced wikipedia quote is reliable? Since when?
Strange. I can't seem to find silver iodide listed as a pollutant in the Clean Water Act as the wikipedia quote claims.
scorecard.goodguide.com...
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by JibbyJedi
reply to post by miniatus
I showed a photo of a cloud seeding in action, silver iodide is denser than water vapor, I'm sorry it just is.. yes silver iodide sprays have the same color as puffy white clouds but they don't have the same density and quickly begin falling.. it's when you spray the iodide into a storm cloud that it mimics ice crystals and causes rain as it reacts with the dense moisture in the cloud.
Do you not understand how it works? .. this has turned into a debate about cloud seeding safety and less from the point .. the point being that cloud seeding isn't the chemtrail phenomena.. it's safety can be another topic, I'm on the fence there.. but ultimately I suspect that silver iodide sprayed in the atmosphere will largely be dispersed and harmless by the time it hits the ground.. and while it's toxic ( as is water, as are many vitamins and minerals ) .. firepilot said it best.. dosage is the key.. our body can process silver iodid and in low dosages it will pass through our system without ill effect... toxicity occurs when there's a build up of something that prevents our body from being able to process it properly or fast enough.
How about giving yourself a "small dosage" of silver iodide and/or sodium fluoride every day in a glass of water, then tell me it's harmless after doing that for about a year or so. Yes it may not be that harmful in small amounts, but over long period of time, it will break down your immune system.
You also don't know "for sure" that all the sustained contrails are just natural contrails, there really isn't PROOF either way that they are natural or chemical, you just choose to believe everything is okey dokey. I'm not so trusting of known BS artists and liars.edit on 20-6-2011 by JibbyJedi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Nutter
An unsourced wikipedia quote is reliable? Since when?
Strange. I can't seem to find silver iodide listed as a pollutant in the Clean Water Act as the wikipedia quote claims.
scorecard.goodguide.com...
Originally posted by miniatus
but ultimately I suspect that silver iodide sprayed in the atmosphere will largely be dispersed and harmless by the time it hits the ground..
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Nutter
I got mine from a slightly better resource than wikipedia, also the symptoms described there are for chronic exposure...
The ones I linked to aren't for chronic exposure:
medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
Potential Health Effects
Eye: May cause eye irritation.
Skin: May cause skin irritation. Can cause eczema and rash.
Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated. Chronic ingestion of iodides during pregnancy has resulted in fetal death, severe goiter, and cretinoid appearance of the newborn.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. May cause effects similar to those described for ingestion. The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated.
Chronic: Chronic inhalation or ingestion of silver salts may cause argyria characterized by a permanent blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin, mucous membranes, and internal organs. This malady results from the accumulation of silver in the body. Chronic ingestion of iodides during pregnancy has resulted in fetal death, severe goiter, and cretinoid appearance of the newborn.
Prolonged exposure to iodides may produce iodism in sensitive individuals. Symptoms could include skin rash, running nose and headache.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Nutter
An unsourced wikipedia quote is reliable? Since when?
Strange. I can't seem to find silver iodide listed as a pollutant in the Clean Water Act as the wikipedia quote claims.
scorecard.goodguide.com...
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Nutter
Yes, yes I did miss it. But that's not the EPA is it?
Do you know what "chronic exposure" means?
www.greenfacts.org...
edit on 6/20/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)