What about this quote from the Drudge article:

At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s boat, Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner, deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia.

Was that what you were looking for?

Finally, we are told that three of Kerry's crew deny they were ever in Cambodia. Why aren't we presented with affidavits, or at least quotes, from these crewmen? All we have is the word of John O'Neill, the lead author of the book, that these crewmen have made these denials.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by d onguillermo
The crew of the boats guarding the Cambodian border would have to be informed, otherwise they would not let Kerry cross the border.

So if there were boats near the border, why were they not used? Are you trying to tell us that it made more sense to send in a boat from further away to carry out that mission?

At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing.

Why would we have others stepping forward? The plausible deniability argument applies to them too. Any individuals who had knowledge of a secret, illegal mission into Cambodia, and failed to report it, would be guilty of a court-martial offense themselves.

That has not stopped people before. Had this been an acutal incident then there would have been an actual investigation where they would be offered amnesty in exchange for testimony.

He was at the end of the line for swift boat patrols, so there would have been no swift boat closer to Cambodia.

Before you said there were boats at the border, now you flip and say that he was at the end of the line. Were there boats there that he had to coordinate passage with or not?

BTW I doubt that they would be running this mission at high speed, it would have given them away from the start.

Originally posted by moxyone
funny thing about spinning tales, actual facts will trip you up, eventually.

Originally posted by curme
So, according to you dbates, this sentence would be wrong:

"President Bush once owned the Texas Rangers."

because Bush wasn't President then?

Are you saying Kerry should have said, "presidential hopeful Nixon" or "Nixon, who later became President"?

In a speech before the U.S. Senate on March 27, 1986, Kerry accused President Ronald Reagan of leading the United States into another Vietnam in Central America, accusing the administration of Nixon-like duplicity and saying that he should recognize it because of his Vietnam experience. Kerry told his colleagues he was on Navy duty in Cambodia at a time when President Richard M. Nixon lied to the public and said that there were no U.S. forces in that country. He even took enemy fire. In his words, "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared - seared - in me."

Originally posted by FredT
What I find interesting is that the vilification of the swift boat sailors who dare come out against Kerry is begining. Funny how the media will take Kerry at his word about his Vietnam experience, but question integrity of the swift boat vets. Interesting that of all the vets on the boat, what like one will actually vote for him?

Originally posted by d onguillermo
Are you suggesting that Hillary is secretly plotting the assassination of Senator Kerry, as she supposedly had Vince Foster and others assassinated?

Why are they trying to censor the publication of the book? I mean really to have the Lawyers for the DNC and Kerry go after them. If they had let it go, it may not have been as big of a deal as it is now being made to be.

Originally posted by d onguillermo
Gee, Flyersfan, are you talking about me? How about if I start posting at Conservative Underground and make the heads of your colleagues over there explode? How long would it take for me to be banned? About five minutes?

Originally posted by d onguillermo
So you are recruiting posters from Conservative Underground to come over here and pollute ATS with their right-wing hate and slime. Great!!

Originally posted by FredT
Don, the bottom line is Kerry is really pushing his Vietnam service.

There are questions about it.

Are the questions politically motivated? You Bet! Same goes for the questions about Bushes Guard Service. Its political. If he has anything to hide, no worries, but there are alot of questions about inconsistencies in his stories, questions about the purple hearts etc.

Why are they trying to censor the publication of the book? I mean really to have the Lawyers for the DNC and Kerry go after them. If they had let it go, it may not have been as big of a deal as it is now being made to be. Will this effect the outcome? Maybe if the story has staying power (and it seems that it may) then Kerry will have to devote time and energy doing spin and damage controll instead of attacking Bush.

Originally posted by d onguillermo
FredT says
Are they trying to censor publication of the book? I must have missed that news. Do you have a link? The only thing I had heard is that the Democrats are sending out letters to TV stations stating that, in their opinion, the anti-Kerry ad is libel. That is not censorship, they are just exercising their free speech rights.