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'Intolerant' Christians are more militant than Muslims, says equality chief

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by beansanmash
The problem is that, every muslim I have ever met in America is welcoming, open minded, and friendly, unfortunately the only muslims that most Americans are familiar with are the small percentage that are ignorant and angry, thanks to the media.


Rather uncomfortably for moderate Muslims, Muhammad himself falls within the 'small minority' you refer to.

Muhammad was the inventor of violent Jihad and an enthusiastic practitioner of it.


The idea of Muhammad as a military man will be new to many.

Yet he was a truly great general.

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

Muhammad was first and foremost a revolutionary, a fiery religious guerrilla leader who created and led the first genuine national insurgency in antiquity.

A fact not lost on the jihadis of the present day, who often cite the Koran and Muhammad's use of violence as justification for their own insurgencies.

www.historynet.com...


If the founder of Islam was both the inventor of Jihad and an enthusiastic practitioner of it, why is anyone surprised that some followers of Islam actually do what Muhammad told them to do and wage violent Jihad against non Muslims?




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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The problem is that where ever Islam goes, they carry extremism in their baggage. It seems only to be a matter of until extremism is set loose.

It has become common around Europe for Muslim boys to be calling women whores because they aren't wearing the prescribe headscarf as symbols of servitude. Australia also has the same problem.



Sounds kind of like here back in the 50s with the Christians.

The only thing that has kept the religious in check here in America - - is the non-believers - - making sure government remains secular.

The headscarf is none of our business. It is their religion.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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What? You mean the missionaries over there? Yea, I'm sure that passes as terrorism these days.

Or are you referring to all the "wars" Christianity started, or all of them that started in the name of God - ignoring the fact that every one of them was based around retaliation because the people had enough abuse from, mainly, the Islamic nations pounding their asses with rockets and terrorist attacks.

Yea. Christians are terrorists, alright.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
, a head scarf, called a Hijab, or Khimar, is not a symbol of servitude, it is a symbol of modesty. .

Riiiiiiiiight ..
and the women in so-called 'muslim countries' get beaten and/or thrown in prison if they aren't 'modest' enough for the men who carry the big sticks (moral police).

Get real ... a Hijab is slave gear the men force on the women.



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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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...and yet there are women who do wear them willingly in countries where they are not required within cultures where they are not required. A hijab's symbolism is highly determined by its direct cultural context. There are no laws requiring them in Turkey, yet women wear them anyway.

I personally find the clothing article to be somewhat alluring...but hey, different strokes, am I right?

Anyway, it can be a symbol of oppression or it can be a display of modesty. It depends.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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about discrimination


The thread topic is a lie. About discrimination, yes. In general, no.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Soldier of God

We have a God that doesn't require bloodshed. Once Jesus was crucified that all ended.


Debateable. This blog entry from a few months back gives a run down of the 'not so nice' bible verses that advocate murder. Believe the number there is around 50?

That isnt an attack on the christian religion of course, but its easy enough to draw quotes from the bible and the koran that encourage both peace and murder, it just all depends on what the individual, or specific branch of the religion interprets it to be. Westboro baptist church is a decent example of how wildly different the quotes from the bible can be perceived.



But anyhoo, back on topic... from my personal experience, christians do seem to put themselves in the firing line more so than muslims. This is in terms of trying to push the religion on people. Not a week goes by that Im not confronted by a leaflet being pushed through my door (occasionally some will actually knock on the door), or some guy being stood in the centre of town preaching bible quotes at people. They never seem to get any abuse though. I dread to think what the public reaction would be if muslims began doing the same thing!

In terms of integration though, Ive yet to see any attempts to do this by muslims. Not that Im suggesting that the general muslim population is against doing so... but, in the UK especially, they seem to form their own little communities rather than mixing in with the rest of the country. This story here is an example of the reaction to these mini societies that are emerging. Think this guy actually ended up receiving death threats as well.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard someone say Christians are "more militant", because it's completely untrue. I'm discovering Muslim atrocity occurrences on nearly a regular basis, i.e revenge and "honor" killings, which are more or less misogynistic cold-blooded murders committed by egotistic, disgusting excuses for human beings. Some more recent examples including the "father" who buried his own daughter alive because she was talking to a boy; the 14 year old girl who confessed she was raped by a man, and instead her own family beat her followed by the court sentencing her to be lashed till death; the 19 year old girl was stoned to death for taking part in a beauty contest; and many more such brutal, ruthless acts. Apart from the extreme female suppression by chauvinistic pigs with no respect for human life, you have radicals waging a war of terror on anyone who's not a member of their illogical, completely insane religion.

What I find amazing is how anyone would want to be part of a faith based on the words of a senile man who lived in a cave; a man who obviously presented himself as a false prophet in order to sanction pedophilia and superiority of men over women; a man that is quite honestly EVIL. Because of Muhammad and the sheep that followed in his stead, a religion was created that kept a huge portion of the human race stuck in primitive, brutal way of life. One man responsible for all this death and suffering. It disgust me.



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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Despite what many have said throughout this thread, I think history is very important and is one of the prime motivators for violence. Islam is as much a doctrine of violence as Christianity, and Judaism.

The belief is not evil. The evil is the warped interpretation, which is always instigated by those with financial and political power. This has gone on since the beginning of organized religion.

One of the things that people still don't understand is that "hate breeds hate". When a US fighter jet conducts a strike on a suspected militant stronghold and that stronghold turns out to be a house of civilians full of a young mans family, what does that young religious Muslim feel? Sadness? Anger? Hate? These emotions will undoubtedly manifest and be directed towards a society who cares about nothing but their own interests. This young man will never receive justice for his family, at most a hollow apology from an empty suite.

Now if this young man is radicalized, and commits acts of hate and terror against the west. What does that create? More hate.

A good portion of the evangelical right in this country view Islam as the church of the devil. When a Muslim turns on the TV and sees something like that, I can only imagine how they feel. Especially if they live in the south of this country, where they are ( to put it lightly) persecuted for ideas that they do not even share with radical Islamic fundamentalists.

I would agree that the ratio of Christian terrorists compared to Islamic terrorists (however there are many religiously motivated murders committed by Christians) is large. But radical Christians are guilty of promoting polices which have resulted in a war on belief that will never end. If the fundamentalist Christian right had absolute power in this country we would no longer be a democracy, we would live under "Christian Dominionism" which would look almost exactly like Sharia law.

My point is we need to stop the hate (sorry for my naive new age hippie beliefs
). As I stated above the belief is not the enemy, only those who would pervert it and that perversion is what devides Islam and Christanity today.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Gazmeister
As soon as I read the thread title I knew this was going to be in Britain.
Muslims do not try to intergrate into anything, they just try to take over wherever they are while blowing stuff up.

And were we ever asked if we wanted them here? No, we were not.

This is why I despise muslims, integrate? they have no intentions of "integrating"
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You despise people because of their faith? What do you mean 'were we asked if we wanted them here?' Sheesh, it's a faith, not a race. You may want to have a long hard think about what you think about being part of the world and how you can integrate with others instead of assuming it's one way traffic.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Codered88
OP is clearly an idiot.

I live in Canada and i can tell you beyond all doubt that many Muslims are not integrating whatsoever, they shop at there markets they work within there own communities and listen to there news and television through internet and satellite many don't even need to learn English.

Book on immigration to canada


............................... and many in the parts of Canada I have visited are extremely rude if you speak English, not French, your point being?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator


So Christians are more militant than Muslims???


When was the last Baptist lady you seen strapping herself with explosives and blowing up a tube train? When did you last hear a Catholic call for the beheading of the "Infidels"?

This comment especially made me laugh:

"‘Muslim communities in this country are doing their damnedest to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy."



I do not think this person lives in Britain at all, and if he does then maybe he should start trying to integrate, because like it as not, this country is a Christian country founded on Christian principles, and if he does not like that, then maybe he should go live in an Islamic state.

Failing that, the government could just get rid of this stupid equalities department along with Trev, as they seem to be the biggest part of the problem..




www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


This is an atheist country and both sets of religious lunatics, Christians and Muslim, should be making efforts to integrate themselves in the 21st century.

Britain is Britain despite Christians, not because of them. The Christian fundamentalists had to be dragged kicking and screaming into 2011 and the battle rages on.

Typical of Christians to pretend they're at the core of British values. Should kick all you religious lunatics out the country.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
that is crap.

yeah i didnt see too many christians spitting on returning uk troops

but what i did see alot of were muslims



You saw a lot of opportunists who proclaimed themselves to be representatives of something they are not.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by something wicked
............................... and many in the parts of Canada I have visited are extremely rude if you speak English, not French, your point being?



LOL - exactly! I grew up in a suburb of Los Angeles.

We have totally ethnic/religious communities/neighborhoods. So what?

Its the 2nd or 3rd generations that tend to venture beyond their culture.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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but the fact is that there have been a large number of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam and I strongly doubt you can show me an equally long list of terrorist attacks and killings in the name of Christianity, but hey, I suppose denying such a problem exists is easier if that's what you want to believe.


Umm, try Iraq,Afghanistan,Yemen and next probably Pakistan or Iran..



and that's nowadays

burning down the library of alexandria right after ambushing hypatia on the road, tearing her clothes off and then ripping her skin off using abalone shells. she was just 19 at the time by the way

massacare of the albigensians and cathars, the crusades, the burning times, the inquisition, it's hand in the conquest of the new world most european wars that were attempts by the RCC to restore the roman empire, the suppression of knowledge that could have saved lives during the plague times, missionary vanguards of european colonialism and genocide in the americas, africa, asia, and oceania.
current missionary work in africa where the elderly and children who are to curious/intelligent get a gasoline filled tire put on and lit, not mention behind the scenes persecution of gays [ "the eat the poo-poo"]

but hey dude none are so blind as those who refuse to see

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and I strongly doubt you can show me an equally long list of terrorist attacks and killings in the name of Christianity, but hey, I suppose denying such a problem exists is easier if that's what you want to believe.


there is your list
I suppose denying such a problem exists is easier if that's what you want to believe.

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Mankind has not changed , only become more savy in evasive tactics.


indeed ignorance is truly arrogant now days don't you think?
fortunately it is also it's own punishment as well.







 
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