NBC apologizes for cutting "under God" from Pledge of Allegiance before U.S. Open

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Darth_Prime

 

And that right there should tell you that this country was founded on Christian beliefs.

How does having a ton of Christians equate to being founded on Christian belief?

Let's test this theory.







Hail Satan!

Originally posted by muse7
I'm sorry but the majority of our founding fathers were NOT christian. So NBC doesn't really have to apologize, considering that the "Under God" part was added during the middle of the Cold War in order to set us apart from those evil commies.

What drugs are you on? They where big on the Bible to the point they made homosexuality a death penalty offense.

Regardless,

The Original 'Pledge Of Allegiance' did not have 'Under God'

www.ushistory.org...

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

The 'New' Pledge is false anyway,

one nation under God

we are not 'One Nation Under God' we are a Nation of 'Freedom Of Religion and various 'Beliefs' and 'Practices' so you can't sum it all up as 'One nation Under God'

Though I Digress, The 'Original' never had 'God' anyway

reply to post by Night Star


Yeah, I hear ya . The problem bottom line isss:

We that want to say "under God" are no longer at liberty to do so, Our freedom of speech and worship have been and are being stripped away.

I have no problem with - if an athesist doesn't believe in God: That's his choice!!

So why should anyone have a problem with me or other Christians because we believe? I don't see this as being fair: My Christian liberties are being squashed! Thank you very much. (sarcasm)

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Darth_Prime

 

i do ponder what would happen if someone wrote a 'Pledge' that said 'Under Satan'?

i would wager there would be a huge uproar

And that right there should tell you that this country was founded on Christian beliefs.

More So Hypocritical Beliefs,

With all the crap going down in this country were still fighting over trivial things...I dislike corporations as much as the next guy but damn , they have the right to leave it in or omit it if they want .Free Speech.If you dont like what they did boycott them.

Remember when teachers were having children repeat things as a class about Obama and everybody got upset about it, rightfully so, it is brainwashing and we all knew that, right? To defend a socialist pledge to the State is in reality the opposite of what the founding fathers stood for, even if you put the word god in it. They thought the State was a necessary evil at best and should not even be trusted, forget about pledging allegiance to it.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -George Washington

Socialists on the other hand feel differently about how you should view the State, that is why a socialist wrote the pledge, does it really matter that Republicans decided that they could use it for the same purposes that socialists would have but for themselves? Or does that just make the use of god in vain?

Here is the article that supports that case from the Cato Institute, "What's Conservative about the Pledge of Allegiance?" They put it much better then I could.

www.cato.org...

Originally posted by rootlevelaccess
With all the crap going down in this country were still fighting over trivial things...I dislike corporations as much as the next guy but damn , they have the right to leave it in or omit it if they want .Free Speech.If you dont like what they did boycott them.

Good point there... Great idea!

I just don't think everyone would do the boycott ...the majority wouldn't want to sacrafice their pleasure to do so!. Too much fun that they might miss out on for this :

It seems people no longer take a stand for their beliefs, if they think at all or have a belief system.. Everyone should get their priorities straight. Yes it's great to have fun but at the what expense? People need to take a stand instead of being run over, or lowering their standards to suit someone else.

reply to post by Signals


Who cares?

Don't they think there are more pressing matters than the inclusion of a paen to a deity at a public event, which may contain those who don't worship said deity?

Good job, NBC. Thanks for reminding us of What Really Matters ™.

Asshats.

Originally posted by reesie45
Bout time people are being smart. Good for you NBC

Smart for apologizing, or taking out "Under God"?

reply to post by jeramie


Does it really matter?

Your corporate overlords need religion to keep you in line. Why else would they be apologizing?

Originally posted by muse7
I'm sorry but the majority of our founding fathers were NOT christian. So NBC doesn't really have to apologize, considering that the "Under God" part was added during the middle of the Cold War in order to set us apart from those evil commies.

Most of them believed in a "god" though. Many of them were Deists. Most of them were Freemasons, which requires a belief in a Supreme Being, the Great Architect of the Universe.

The pledge has never said "Under Christ" nor does the Declaration of Independence reference "Christ", only "god".

reply to post by MikeboydUS


IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

Let's worry about the real # that affects the U.S.

Unemployment
Poverty
Incompetent Politicians
Rising Debt

The Pledge of Allegiance?

NOT #ING IMPORTANT!

Just another bull# Cold War construct.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

Let's worry about the real # that affects the U.S.

Unemployment
Poverty
Incompetent Politicians
Rising Debt

The Pledge of Allegiance?

NOT #ING IMPORTANT!

Just another bull# Cold War construct.

Ya know...if this DOESN'T MATTER to you... then maybe you'd rather be somewhere else discussing the topics you find more of interest.

WHY did you come on THIS thread if it doesn't MATTER?

I do understand though that there are other MAJOR issues in this world . ALL need to be focussed upon and addressed of course!

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by mishigas

 

well if you look closely at the associations between egypt and israel of the old testament time frame, it's likely that satan is the egyptian set, the "serpent" god (set/sat + an (an/anu). satan doesn't even show up as a word, until the time of king david, and there was alot of shared history between the two cultures.

Apep/Apophis was the serpent anti-god. Set, more accurately Sutekh, was was originally a good god who with Ra fought Apep. Later dynasties demonized him.

Satan as conceived in ancient Judaism does not resemble Sutekh nor Apep, he wasn't some dualistic god of darkness and evil, that idea came later after contact with the Persians had been made and Zoroastrianism's Ahriman was assimilated by some Jews. Ancient Judaism and even parts of the Bible clearly show the Hebrew deity as being a god of light and darkness, good and evil.

If anything I would bet the ancient Egyptians identified the Hebrew god as Sutekh, especially with Sutekh being the supreme god of the Hyksos.

Personally, I subscribe to the Ancient Alien theory, but IMO religion is a double-edged sword in that it was once the catalyst for civilized society by teaching primitive people that killing, stealing, etc. is wrong, while at the same time suppressing enlightenment and committing millions upon millions of atrocities. As primitive as that is, it continues to this day. All of the major religions (and several of the minor ones) are responsible for this and there's no getting around that.

Having said that, if the Pledge of Allegiance has "under God" in it, then deal with it. If you feel that strongly about not saying it, then just don't use the Pledge of Allegiance at all and/or lobby to have it changed.

Originally posted by Signals
I for one am sick and tired of trying to please everybody.

So am I. As I've said before, political correctness will be the death of us. We can't say/do/act/whatever without offending someone. How did humanity ever survive the years before the idiotic notion of political correctness? I'm guessing that we were more mature back then, then we are now. Now we're like little babies tattle tailing on our friend because they called us a name or said something mean or cursed.

Seriously world, grow up.

P.S.
I don't really mind them cutting "Under God" out, but it's been there since forever and we've gone on with life. It's just annoying how they all of a sudden deem it "offensive". Next we can't say "American" without some random immigrant/ethnic group getting offended.

I say if they do not want God then so be it. This country has become the most powerful nation to ever exist in recorded history. Any way you look at it. I read on here that our forefathers did not found this country under God. Then I remembered the Constitution.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Seems to me that those people are mistaken and have actually forgotten what really made this country so great.
Let me remind you.

It was God.

Originally posted by korathin


What drugs are you on? They where big on the Bible to the point they made homosexuality a death penalty offense.

You know it was orginally a death penalty offense in the Roman Republic and the Empire? Look up Lex Scantinia and Lex Iulia. Polybius mentions it being a capital offense even prior to Lex Scantinia being passed. It was never accepted as normal behavior within the Republic or Empire.

Thanks to Hollywood people have no idea how people in Rome actually lived. I should mention adultery was also a capital offense in Rome. Lex Iulia de Adulteriis Coercendis from Emperor Augustus allowed fathers to kill or exile their own daughters who committed adultery.

Romans, contrary to Hollywood, were ultra conservative, almost Taliban like, in terms of family values.

Every time I hear the Pledge of Allegience or any other public voiced thing mentioning "god", I always replace it with "goddess" under my breath or silently in my head.
This fits my belief system and keeps it personal to me. Which I think more people should do and stop prostelyzing (sp?)
Everyone is entitled to choose (or not choose) whatever deity they like. If someone else's bothers you.. then shut the hell up. It's not your problem.
One of my favorite sentiments on this subject matter (seeing as most of the people pushing their religion just happen to be christian) is the simple phrase ... "It's your hell, you burn in it"
So, stop getting upset if you feel your particular "god" has been slighted. Suck it up, and move on to bigger issues. If you are comfortable with where you sit with your deity than it shouldn't matter what you seen or heard from some outside source.
I'm starting to ramble so I'll close with this thought... if you follow your own beliefs and let others follow theirs, then this world will start to see some true peace and understanding.