NBC apologizes for cutting "under God" from Pledge of Allegiance before U.S. Open

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by felonius

 

Let me understand this, it's ok for the religious right to expect "under God" to be spoken,but others of other faiths or those of no faith are labeled in such a way as to make them less than desirable people? [/quote

When "they" are undermining the foundations of our nation, the primary bedrock of our laws...yes. "They" are less than desirable.

As a gnostic, I'm sure that some "mainstream" christians would consider me a heretic. It doesn't bother me in the least. I consider some of them mindless drones.

Nevertheless, I WILL stand with them!

This is part of the "dribs and drabs" of fabian socialism. Its the "little things" that are excused or brushed off that will bite you in the ass later.

The only "enemies" I have are those that oppose the Constitution and the exercise thereof. Little attacks like this ARE attacks on it....and everyone one of us.

In the event you are a "progressive", dont think that just because your in "their" camp things will automatically go great for if our Republic completely fails. If you are of "no use" to them, they will pass you by like any of us that directly oppose them. Remember you history.

An attack on one of us or the things we hold dear is an attack on ALL of us.

I consider you to be one of "us".

Whether you believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or whomever or whatever you are missing the point, when our GOVt can manipulate our Pledge of Allegiance to remove Under GOd, they can do anything and we are allowing it to happen.

We need to exercise our right of peaceful assembly, right to bear arms, and freedom of speech and tell our Govt they need to go.

That of course is my not so humble opinon.

Originally posted by k21968
Whether you believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or whomever or whatever you are missing the point, when our GOVt can manipulate our Pledge of Allegiance to remove Under GOd, they can do anything and we are allowing it to happen.

We need to exercise our right of peaceful assembly, right to bear arms, and freedom of speech and tell our Govt they need to go.

That of course is my not so humble opinon.

Are you okay with them changing it to Allah or Zeus? How about Higher Moral Authority? Is it only 'God' that you would accept? Do we have room to negotiate to allow a broader spectrum of philosophies including Agnostics, Atheists, and Jedi?

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Section31
When King George (the man) was using religion to rule over people, he established himself as the head of the church. Mankind rules mankind mentality. As a result of reversing the order, mankind is now placed below god. Other words, If you become a corrupt leader, you will eventually have to answer to a higher power.

Why should someone have to answer to a higher power, they should answer to their peers.

Mankind is corruptible. God represents a figure, which cannot be corrupted. As long as their is an uncorruptible entity, metaphorically watching over the US, there will always be a sense of overall moral order. You see how they did that?

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Section31
I don't think the founding fathers had a choice, and I think their approach still has merit.

They did not have a choice at the time, I think even now, considering how rigidly much of the world sees their religion the same approach would remain necessary. That's what disappoints me.

Majority of the people within the United States have a religion. Christianity, Protestant, Islam, Buddhism, etc... Using the words 'god' and 'creator' strategically, throughout the nation's documents, unifies all those religions under one nationalized banner. Unfortunately, individuals without a religion feel left out. It is a necessary inconvenience, so that an all powerful monarchy cannot take over the nation.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Section31
Kind of a separate question, do you hand out presents at Christmas?

You mean the pagan celebration of the winter solstice?
I do, but mostly because others do. I would quite literally become an outcast in today's society if I did not reciprocate.

Christmas was established by the Catholic Church, so that people would not focus on a pagan holiday. It was a public relations move by the church, which has ultimately been turned into a national holiday. As a result of businesses seeing the holiday as a money maker, capitalism has taken over Christmas for seasonal profits. Do you see that? As everyone screams at the Catholic Church, over various scandals, they hypocritically celebrate a holiday the Church had invented. Irony? Profit?

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The US Constitution

The words 'under God' do not even belong in the Pledge in the first place. The Pledge is about Patriotism, not about one's personal spiritual beliefs...

Kudos to NBC for having the testicular fortitude to edit them out in the first place, and shame on them for not standing up to the 'flock' and defending this decision!

Hey there Jax,

like it or not it is most certainly an attack on Christianity.

I could remind you that when TSHTF you will need some Christians on your side, I assure you!

Is this a Christian nation? A few tobacco growers moved to this land. Then, Christians wishing to avoid the government interfering with religious matters moved in. Then, some Protestants who thought God plays favorites and doesn't play politics came over. Later, the whole group didn't like the corrupt police state and signed the Declaration of Independence which mentions a Creator. However, natives and slaves were not considered equals. After killing some police, they drafted a God free constitution. You know the rest of the story. The elite minority went on to fool and rule us all. God bless America!

Originally posted by Signals I could remind you that when TSHTF you will need some Christians on your side, I assure you!

I'm sure that when TSHTF, we will just be people helping people, and ideology of the other will be the last thing on our minds.

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The US Constitution

The words 'under God' do not even belong in the Pledge in the first place. The Pledge is about Patriotism, not about one's personal spiritual beliefs...

Kudos to NBC for having the testicular fortitude to edit them out in the first place, and shame on them for not standing up to the 'flock' and defending this decision!

Hey there Jax,

like it or not it is most certainly an attack on Christianity.

I could remind you that when TSHTF you will need some Christians on your side, I assure you!

So then you're admitting "Under God" is a reference to Christianity then?

Concerning the thread: Good for NBC. For one, it wasn't originally in there, and two there's no actual reason for it to be in there other than "I don't want it to", and the only people want to be stay there anyways are Christian fundamentalists.

They also cut "indivisible".
Of all places I would think this would be where that would be noticed...
The implications of BOTH of those being deleted...
C'mon folks step up the game here we're still at war for f's sake.
Cut the patriotic and religious crap and look at the big picture,
the message they are sending by telling you that both God and being indivisible is
not important. Regardless of personal belief, this country WAS founded for "religious freedom".
I think we all know what that really meant by now, but nonetheless, that's the law.
When I was in school I refused to recite this, as I didn't believe in God at that time.
Telling me that this country being "indivisible" is not important anymore, however,
threatens my right to make that decision.

reply to post by Signals


America was not founded on Christianity, if anything it was founded by Freemasonry.

They want America to become an Atheist country before they sink the ship.

reply to post by k21968

Whether you believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or whomever or whatever you are missing the point, when our GOVt can manipulate our Pledge of Allegiance to remove Under GOd, they can do anything and we are allowing it to happen.

The government manipulated the Pledge to include "under God" in the 50's. If you're so worried about government manipulation of the Pledge, you should demand it be returned to its original form, the one written by a socialist minister.

Originally posted by k21968
Whether you believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or whomever or whatever you are missing the point, when our GOVt can manipulate our Pledge of Allegiance to remove Under GOd, they can do anything and we are allowing it to happen.

We need to exercise our right of peaceful assembly, right to bear arms, and freedom of speech and tell our Govt they need to go.

That of course is my not so humble opinon.

You missed this post. Keep reading this until you remove your idiotic and not so humble opinion...

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The US Constitution

The words 'under God' do not even belong in the Pledge in the first place. The Pledge is about Patriotism, not about one's personal spiritual beliefs...

Kudos to NBC for having the testicular fortitude to edit them out in the first place, and shame on them for not standing up to the 'flock' and defending this decision!

Originally posted by blackrain17

Originally posted by dadgad

My God? Are you assuming that I am Christian? Because I can assure you I am not. I belong to no established religion.
It doesn't matter if religion is a big fraud. People should be free to practice it. Anywhere they want.

To just ban the word God is ridiculous. I would say ban the whole pledging allegiance. THAT I find ridiculous. That is the ultimate form of brainwash.

So yes, this is an attack at Christianity as far as I'm concerned.

Really? For a Non-Christian, you sound like NBC not saying "God" struck a nerve with you. I have no problems people practicing religion as long as they don't interfere with my life. But when bible thumpers dictate what I need to say, do, or judge me because I'm not Christian, that's when I have a problem with it.

War against Christianity? You sure sound like a Christian to me. What non-Christian would say something like that?

Why ban the whole pledge allegiance? Why not keep it original, without the word "God"?

No really I am not Christian, neither do I belong to any religious belief. I find them all despicable to be honest. Surely everyone is free to practice whatever they want. But the fact that each religion appears to own a monopoly on truth bothers me, even more so since the majority of their claims have been debunked by science you know.

However the pledging of allegiance to a flag is just as ridiculous in my opinion. I would never do that. I see little difference between religious totalitarianism and nationalistic totalitarianism. Its brainwash in both cases.
I am a human being living on planet earth together with my fellow human beings, I don't support this kind of division.

Why did I see this as a war on Christianity?

Because those who removed the line God obviously have something against Christianity. I am also including the fact that children aren't allowed any longer to practice their religion at school and anywhere else in public. I find that disturbing.

Then I personally believe that after seeing Bohemian Grove exposed, reading about Skull and Bones, studying the Hollie Greig case and other things that there really are occult or ''satanic'' cults that enjoy a lot of power in this world. I am suggesting that its them who attack Christianity.

You follow my strain of thought now? I might be completely wrong here, who knows.

'

Originally posted by blackrain17

Originally posted by k21968
Whether you believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or whomever or whatever you are missing the point, when our GOVt can manipulate our Pledge of Allegiance to remove Under GOd, they can do anything and we are allowing it to happen.

We need to exercise our right of peaceful assembly, right to bear arms, and freedom of speech and tell our Govt they need to go.

That of course is my not so humble opinon.

You missed this post. Keep reading this until you remove your idiotic and not so humble opinion...

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The US Constitution

The words 'under God' do not even belong in the Pledge in the first place. The Pledge is about Patriotism, not about one's personal spiritual beliefs...

Kudos to NBC for having the testicular fortitude to edit them out in the first place, and shame on them for not standing up to the 'flock' and defending this decision!

edit on 22-6-2011 by blackrain17 because: (no reason given)

This is interesting. Your forefathers had very interesting idea's, many of which I really support though.

So who put the word God there? Must have been the Christians

But did these man really establish the pledging of allegiance? I thought they wanted a land of free people?

aarg... life is so full of contradictions.

You know what I think is a problem. Patriotism lacks spirituality. But the established religions spread false spirituality. Your forefathers should really have listened better to the Natives. They had it all right in my opinion.
I guess they were too busy fighting of the british monarchs to worry about horse riding indians!

reply to post by dadgad


Here is a good explanation of Pledge of Alligiance...

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by blackrain17

Originally posted by dadgad

My God? Are you assuming that I am Christian? Because I can assure you I am not. I belong to no established religion.
It doesn't matter if religion is a big fraud. People should be free to practice it. Anywhere they want.

To just ban the word God is ridiculous. I would say ban the whole pledging allegiance. THAT I find ridiculous. That is the ultimate form of brainwash.

So yes, this is an attack at Christianity as far as I'm concerned.

Really? For a Non-Christian, you sound like NBC not saying "God" struck a nerve with you. I have no problems people practicing religion as long as they don't interfere with my life. But when bible thumpers dictate what I need to say, do, or judge me because I'm not Christian, that's when I have a problem with it.

War against Christianity? You sure sound like a Christian to me. What non-Christian would say something like that?

Why ban the whole pledge allegiance? Why not keep it original, without the word "God"?

No really I am not Christian, neither do I belong to any religious belief. I find them all despicable to be honest. Surely everyone is free to practice whatever they want. But the fact that each religion appears to own a monopoly on truth bothers me, even more so since the majority of their claims have been debunked by science you know.

However the pledging of allegiance to a flag is just as ridiculous in my opinion. I would never do that. I see little difference between religious totalitarianism and nationalistic totalitarianism. Its brainwash in both cases.
I am a human being living on planet earth together with my fellow human beings, I don't support this kind of division.

Why did I see this as a war on Christianity?

Because those who removed the line God obviously have something against Christianity. I am also including the fact that children aren't allowed any longer to practice their religion at school and anywhere else in public. I find that disturbing.

Then I personally believe that after seeing Bohemian Grove exposed, reading about Skull and Bones, studying the Hollie Greig case and other things that there really are occult or ''satanic'' cults that enjoy a lot of power in this world. I am suggesting that its them who attack Christianity.

You follow my strain of thought now? I might be completely wrong here, who knows.

'

Understood. But there is no War against Christianity. More and more people are just realizing there are too many holes in religion.

Originally posted by blackrain17

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by blackrain17

Originally posted by dadgad

My God? Are you assuming that I am Christian? Because I can assure you I am not. I belong to no established religion.
It doesn't matter if religion is a big fraud. People should be free to practice it. Anywhere they want.

To just ban the word God is ridiculous. I would say ban the whole pledging allegiance. THAT I find ridiculous. That is the ultimate form of brainwash.

So yes, this is an attack at Christianity as far as I'm concerned.

Really? For a Non-Christian, you sound like NBC not saying "God" struck a nerve with you. I have no problems people practicing religion as long as they don't interfere with my life. But when bible thumpers dictate what I need to say, do, or judge me because I'm not Christian, that's when I have a problem with it.

War against Christianity? You sure sound like a Christian to me. What non-Christian would say something like that?

Why ban the whole pledge allegiance? Why not keep it original, without the word "God"?

No really I am not Christian, neither do I belong to any religious belief. I find them all despicable to be honest. Surely everyone is free to practice whatever they want. But the fact that each religion appears to own a monopoly on truth bothers me, even more so since the majority of their claims have been debunked by science you know.

However the pledging of allegiance to a flag is just as ridiculous in my opinion. I would never do that. I see little difference between religious totalitarianism and nationalistic totalitarianism. Its brainwash in both cases.
I am a human being living on planet earth together with my fellow human beings, I don't support this kind of division.

Why did I see this as a war on Christianity?

Because those who removed the line God obviously have something against Christianity. I am also including the fact that children aren't allowed any longer to practice their religion at school and anywhere else in public. I find that disturbing.

Then I personally believe that after seeing Bohemian Grove exposed, reading about Skull and Bones, studying the Hollie Greig case and other things that there really are occult or ''satanic'' cults that enjoy a lot of power in this world. I am suggesting that its them who attack Christianity.

You follow my strain of thought now? I might be completely wrong here, who knows.

'

Understood. But there is no War against Christianity. More and more people are just realizing there are too many holes in religion.

edit on 22-6-2011 by blackrain17 because: (no reason given)

Perhaps.

Originally posted by blackrain17
reply to post by dadgad

 

Here is a good explanation of Pledge of Alligiance...

en.wikipedia.org...

The original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion...conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students

.

I wonder if Francis Bellamy was aware of the commercial angle.

Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity[6] but decided against it - knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.

So, Bellamy was concerned with brevity.

Bellamy "viewed his Pledge as an 'inoculation' that would protect immigrants and native-born but insufficiently patriotic Americans from the 'virus' of radicalism and subversion.

Are you insufficiently patriotic, radical, or subversive?

Adding the "under God" part was a strange trip.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by spiritualzombie


I personally do not care if they change to higher power or whatever. I *feel* that NBC attacked Christians by omitting it. It has been under God for the 43 yrs I have been on this earth. Why change it now??

My husband is aetheist and when reciting the pledge in school he omitted Under God without causing a scene.

reply to post by dadgad




Established religions spread false spirituality? Do you have proof there is no higher power? I would love to see your proof!! Enlighten me please. I am not a bible toting scripture reciting religious fanatic. I believe in God and following the values and morals laid out in the Bible. I had to go to church to learn them. I am a moral person and if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I will pray for you. I have been reciting the Pledge of Allegience since Kindergarten (37 yrs) and it always included under God. I went to school with aethists and they omitted that when they recited it. So maybe the answer is a 2 second pause so you can insert whoever you choose in that space. Now that I am sure would tick someone else off becuase their higher moral power would take more than 2 seconds and not fit in the allotted time. See where I am going with this????

By the way my father is 100% blackfoot indian and he is christian, so that blows your whole listen to the natives speel as well. He is the one who introduced me to God and church.

I guess when you die you can prove me wrong, until then, play nice. I stated my opinoin and labled it as such. You did not have to get your undies in a bunch because you disagree. I was simply exercising my right to free speech.