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The Free Land Act of 2011

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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May I make a suggestion... find some old issues of Mother Earth News...not the new ones, but the good ones from the 1970s and early 1980s....also, another good source is Back Home, also Acres, and Country Living and Small Stock Journal....

All good periodicals with the attitude and ideas you are striving for.

Again, your intuition and ideals are not in question here...unfortunately, too many people just don't want the lifestyle you and even I subcribe to.... it requires too much effort, too much sacrifice intitially, and too much determination and optimism to succeed.




posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by CRDDD
This has probably already been said but, there are many, MANY National and State parks that would become filled with people claiming land and building houses if this happened. I would never, ever, accept something like that. I love nature and I don't want to see my Red River Gorge trampled by people (even though it's already started to happen).

Oh wow, I just saw smithjustinb's post where he said he didn't factor in wildlife preserves to the equation. If he didn't factor in those, it's likely he didn't factor in national and state parks either. He sounds like a typical socialist, not caring for nature or archaeological areas at all, only wanting to create cities and businesses. smithjustinb, I cannot overstate how much I despise you.
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First of all. You don't even know me, or what I'm about, so you have no right to make any such assumptions. I love nature myself and you obviously haven't read any of my other posts on this thread.

I didn't factor it in because this is not a final plan. This is JUST AN INCOMPLETE ROUGH DRAFT. This would be at least the third time I said that. Just because I didn't write it, doesn't mean I didn't envision it. Instead of criticizing my post, why don't you man (or woman) up and come up with a better idea!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by civilchallenger

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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I work in construction, and I have a garden. I am partially adequate. But I have an uncanny ability to adapt and learn new things, so these things would come easy to me if I were to fully immerse myself in those trades.


Great, when should I expect you over?


When my plan is enacted.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by civilchallenger
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Here is an offer, and here is my challenge. I could find you 3 full acres of land to work next spring. I could also find you a plot of land for either free or really cheap (~$10,000) where you can build a small house and not pay property taxes. You're definitely single since you have all day to farm land and build houses, so you can build a very small house and you'd be fine. Are you ready to start next spring?

After getting all that stuff for free, you can help the next person build their house and purchase their plot of land. If you think you're idea is so great then pack up your bags and move immediately. I'll even give you 40 hours of free labor to get started with. I'm completely clueless about farming and construction but that doesn't seem to matter to you since you think everyone can grow their own food and build their own house, with enough time left over for a part-time job for stuff like flat-screen TVs and such.

If you think you're idea is really that great, you'll take me up on my offer. I expect an answer of "hell no!" because I don't think you've got one of those ideas that you think are the best in the world on the internet but when it gets down to real life you actually already know its a pie in the sky nonsense.


You really are a civil challenger aren't you.

Seriously though, I really believe in making the world a better place, and I am simply offering a solution that I see promising. Wouldn't it be great if it could work? Yes it would. So why don't you spend your energy here and tell me why you think it won't, and I'll argue with you and tell you why I think it will. Make sure you think your opinion throught before you put it on here, and be able to demonstrate effectively how it won't.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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better yet, all a family needs is a 1/4 acre of land to start a nice size personal farm, and have enough room to have a shed and a house.

The USA is really big, and there is a bunch of land and mountains that have a lot of rock and metal.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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So smithjustinb, why did you ignore my post? Do you admit you care nothing for nature and wildlife?


Originally posted by FreedomCommander
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better yet, all a family needs is a 1/4 acre of land to start a nice size personal farm, and have enough room to have a shed and a house.

The USA is really big, and there is a bunch of land and mountains that have a lot of rock and metal.
edit on 20-6-2011 by FreedomCommander because: incomplete

Uh, no. Are you serious? You could maybe have some chickens and a small garden on 1/4 acre of land, but aside from that there's no room for anything else. I have no idea how you think you could make a farm on that.
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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You propose a step backwards. let those who know how to farm, farm for everyone. Let those who know how to build houses, build houses, etc. Things are the way they are because it is far more efficient to let one person farm 1000 acres, than to have 333 do the same work. The problem lies in how we share the production.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Permaculture farming may be the best solution to the farming aspect of this idea, done correctly it's self sustaining. Traditional farming would require too many offsite dependencies.

As for the social & legal side of this idea I think it depends too much on the kindness and cooperation of others. Maybe the OP could live among the Amish? Those folks have figured out how to live like this, albeit through strict religious and social guidelines.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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My reply to your post is the second one down on this 7th page.

I love nature and have respect for all life. I don't even believe in sport fishing.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by sheepslayer247


Unfortunately, I do not see that coming to fruition within our lifetime. We are stuck, stuck bad. I don't know what will get us out of this rut.


Divine and/or E.T. intervention. Hopefully.


THIS is the thinking that keeps us EXACTLY where we are. We could simple TAKE it but too mnay people are too weak of mind, they will defend the system purely because its "convenient". Alot like you would rather wait for some imagnary super hero to come save you because it means you dont have to risk anything. (congrats, your indoctrination has been successful!!)

And that is how the system keeps us enslaved, everybody too scared to risk the little pile of scraps they'v managed to accumulate. If you want change you need to be ready to scrafice something and TBH you best get used that Idea because its happening with or without you, and if you sit & wait for a saviour, you wont make it.

We are at breaking point, we have been for a while, you can see it, every major coporate strategy seems to be "get as much as we can before it goes boom" and their not even trying to hide this, they dont need to, the TV is telling everybody everything is OK! So everything is OK.

If I was an ET the only concern I would have about humans would be that we dont spread like the cancer we have become across the entire galaxy destroying everything for profit. (like we do here)

And as for some devine entity, WHY would they want to do anything for us, why should they help us if we can't even help ourselves or our fellow humans in the most basic of ways!?

If we want the world to get better the first step MUST be forgetting all the fantasy BS and concentrating on the actual issues, create real solutions and even then if we want to make it happen we'll have to do it ourselves and even then proabably by force if necessary beause at the end of the day thats how they keeps us here and all the good will & love in the world won't stop a baton cracking your skull!!

Unfotrunately too many people are still in fantasy land, perhaps that will change, but its unlikely while people are made docile by entertainment & other pointless distractions! (which IMO includes about 99% of the stuff on this website! Pure fantasy and im pretty sure most of you know that already!)



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
All we need is free land.

There are 2,260,994,361 acres of land in the United States.
There are 922,095,840 acres of farmland in the United States.
There are 308,745,538 people in the United States.
That's enough land so that every person in the United States has about 3 acres of farmland.
That's 130,680 square feet of farmland per person. (plus 188901 sq. ft. of "other" land)

With that much land, we could all plant huge gardens and own some livestock. We would never need to go to a grocery store again. Good bye Wal-Mart!

Chop down some trees and build a house. If you don't have that many trees, I'll give you any extra I have. If you don't know how to build a house, I'll help you. Good bye Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!

The average mortgage payment in the US is around $20,244 per year. The average American spends about $2,078 on food per year. That's $22,322 per year that could be saved if the government had the humanity to allow us the basic human right to reside on free land.

These are just basic needs. Sure we might not be able to fully get rid of currency all together at this early stage of human development, and become fully self-sufficient while satisfying all of our wants and needs, but if we just had free land, the economy might not be our enemy any more. We are part of this Earth, and what is part of the Earth belongs to the people, not greedy corporations. We should be entitled to what is rightfully ours without being at the mercy of those who want to make a profit.







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my thoughts EXACTLY....

thank you for being you..

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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by S3ns1bl3

THIS is the thinking that keeps us EXACTLY where we are. We could simple TAKE it but too mnay people are too weak of mind, they will defend the system purely because its "convenient". Alot like you would rather wait for some imagnary super hero to come save you because it means you dont have to risk anything. (congrats, your indoctrination has been successful!!)

And that is how the system keeps us enslaved, everybody too scared to risk the little pile of scraps they'v managed to accumulate. If you want change you need to be ready to scrafice something and TBH you best get used that Idea because its happening with or without you, and if you sit & wait for a saviour, you wont make it.

We are at breaking point, we have been for a while, you can see it, every major coporate strategy seems to be "get as much as we can before it goes boom" and their not even trying to hide this, they dont need to, the TV is telling everybody everything is OK! So everything is OK.

If I was an ET the only concern I would have about humans would be that we dont spread like the cancer we have become across the entire galaxy destroying everything for profit. (like we do here)

And as for some devine entity, WHY would they want to do anything for us, why should they help us if we can't even help ourselves or our fellow humans in the most basic of ways!?

If we want the world to get better the first step MUST be forgetting all the fantasy BS and concentrating on the actual issues, create real solutions and even then if we want to make it happen we'll have to do it ourselves and even then proabably by force if necessary beause at the end of the day thats how they keeps us here and all the good will & love in the world won't stop a baton cracking your skull!!

Unfotrunately too many people are still in fantasy land, perhaps that will change, but its unlikely while people are made docile by entertainment & other pointless distractions! (which IMO includes about 99% of the stuff on this website! Pure fantasy and im pretty sure most of you know that already!)


That's a pretty passionate speech. Not saying I disagree totally with you but are you willing to lead by example? Are you going to be the leader (sacrificial lamb) who begins this revolution? What are you going to give up first that modern society provides? Was there any society in history that enjoys as much prosperity as we do now? I'd like to hear about it if so. Sure things could be better, could anyone-anywhere-anytime not say that?

I'm not so sure I'd trade being a slave to the system to becoming a slave to survival. Without our current system (taxes/money/work in exchange for safety/comfort) we'd be left to fend for ourselves in almost every aspect of life. I like my job, get paid pretty well and go home to have fun with my family. I've been well fed my whole life and have obtained everything I need (and almost everything I want) by working for them. I've even managed to save for my future and given/volunteered to charity.

How would "overthrowing the man" make my life better? What am I missing?
edit on 6/20/2011 by RedParrotHead because: typo



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by RedParrotHead

Originally posted by S3ns1bl3

THIS is the thinking that keeps us EXACTLY where we are. We could simple TAKE it but too mnay people are too weak of mind, they will defend the system purely because its "convenient". Alot like you would rather wait for some imagnary super hero to come save you because it means you dont have to risk anything. (congrats, your indoctrination has been successful!!)

And that is how the system keeps us enslaved, everybody too scared to risk the little pile of scraps they'v managed to accumulate. If you want change you need to be ready to scrafice something and TBH you best get used that Idea because its happening with or without you, and if you sit & wait for a saviour, you wont make it.

We are at breaking point, we have been for a while, you can see it, every major coporate strategy seems to be "get as much as we can before it goes boom" and their not even trying to hide this, they dont need to, the TV is telling everybody everything is OK! So everything is OK.

If I was an ET the only concern I would have about humans would be that we dont spread like the cancer we have become across the entire galaxy destroying everything for profit. (like we do here)

And as for some devine entity, WHY would they want to do anything for us, why should they help us if we can't even help ourselves or our fellow humans in the most basic of ways!?

If we want the world to get better the first step MUST be forgetting all the fantasy BS and concentrating on the actual issues, create real solutions and even then if we want to make it happen we'll have to do it ourselves and even then proabably by force if necessary beause at the end of the day thats how they keeps us here and all the good will & love in the world won't stop a baton cracking your skull!!

Unfotrunately too many people are still in fantasy land, perhaps that will change, but its unlikely while people are made docile by entertainment & other pointless distractions! (which IMO includes about 99% of the stuff on this website! Pure fantasy and im pretty sure most of you know that already!)


That's a pretty passionate speech. Not saying I disagree totally with you but are you willing to lead by example? Are you going to be the leader (sacrificial lamb) who begins this revolution? What are you going to give up first that modern society provides? Was there any society in history that enjoys as much prosperity as we do now? I'd like to hear about it if so. Sure things could be better, could anyone-anywhere-anytime not say that?

I'm not so sure I'd trade being a slave to the system to becoming a slave to survival. Without our current system (taxes/money/work in exchange for safety/comfort) we'd be left to fend for ourselves in almost every aspect of life. I like my job, get paid pretty well and go home to have fun with my family. I've been well fed my whole life and have obtained everything I need (and almost everything I want) by working for them. I've even managed to save for my future and given/volunteered to charity.

How would "overthrowing the man" make my life better? What am I missing?
edit on 6/20/2011 by RedParrotHead because: typo


You accept your way of life because it is what it is. Some people don't realize that if things were different, our quality of life would be enhanced. It is exactly "The Man" that is restricting your freedom to be the best human you can be. There are unseen forces at work that would have you believe that everything is normal.

I don't believe everything is normal. In fact, I believe that the source of most if not all negative aspects of life begin with a lie. And what governments perpetrate whether willingly or unwillingly to the sheeple is a lie.

They make us dependent on them which robs us of our natural god given creative freedom that would be so joyous to finally get in touch with on an intense level. Our dependency is just one of the lies about life. As sovereign beings, we should be independent and being such would foster a better quality of life for us. Independence breeds irresponsibility which leads to destructive behavior and so on.

We're so complicated though. We gotta have useless objects of splendor and status that we would never accept a way of life that is more natural. If things stay the way they are, we will always be controlled and we will fight for power in the system. Unfortunately the system is not your friend. You are not an American, or an Australian, or a European, you are a human being that comes from the Earth just like dogs, cats, and flowers, and if you think you are different and better than these other lifeforms just because you are smarter, well... you aren't necessarily the smartest animal on the planet. Dolphins are very close, and they don't do what we do. They don't create make-believe systems to help them be better dolphins, because they know that they are fine just the way god made them. They swim wherever they want to, and eat whatever they want to, and they don't even have to pay make believe paper money for it.

The FACT is, we are a PART of this Earth and we should be FREELY entitled to it!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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and what happens when they divide up the land, (assuming this would ever happen) and you get dealt a parking lot... good luck making your living off that

This would be a theoretical possibility if we had not already altered the earth beyond repair, there is no longer enough "usable" land to deal out

I like the idea of it as absurd as it is

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and I have to agree with the post 2 above... our quality of life is better than most of you act like it is, would growing your own crop and dying of disease at 40 be better, the cave men had it just great didn't they??? If we are all fending for our selves then where will the cooperation be, no one will specialize in one field, like a DOCTOR. Without modern society we would all be uneducated eventually and lose everything we have gained as a civilization, there would be no real doctors, electricians, etc, we would step back several era's. is that what you want???
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posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

... you aren't necessarily the smartest animal on the planet. Dolphins are very close, and they don't do what we do. They don't create make-believe systems to help them be better dolphins, because they know that they are fine just the way god made them. They swim wherever they want to, and eat whatever they want to, and they don't even have to pay make believe paper money for it.




Sorry, but our species is vastly superior to Dolphins. They swim where they dare, and eat what they can manage to catch. They also play which is a distraction from the more important issues in their lives. They fight, exile fellow dolphins and commit infanticide.

You're not suggesting that bigger/stronger/smarter animals don't exploit the weaker ones are you? Because they do, most viciously.

So, I'm still waiting to be convinced!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by GummB
and what happens when they divide up the land, (assuming this would ever happen) and you get dealt a parking lot... good luck making your living off that

This would be a theoretical possibility if we had not already altered the earth beyond repair, there is no longer enough "usable" land to deal out

I like the idea of it as absurd as it is

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and I have to agree with the post 2 above... our quality of life is better than most of you act like it is, would growing your own crop and dying of disease at 40 be better, the cave men had it just great didn't they??? If we are all fending for our selves then where will the cooperation be, no one will specialize in one field, like a DOCTOR. Without modern society we would all be uneducated eventually and lose everything we have gained as a civilization, there would be no real doctors, electricians, etc, we would step back several era's. is that what you want???
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We have all the information in the world at our disposal. I really don't think there is any going back. If someone runs into a medical issue and needs surgery, a quick online course should be able to guide you through it. I don't know that for sure, I'm just saying, there is definitely a way to make this work out. Maybe not in the exact way I presented it, but something along those lines.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Ranthenae

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
While I like the idea(S&F), it would never work. Some people are just too damned lazy to actually "work" for a living. If you do get it passed, let me know. I would happily take my 3 acres and become as self sufficient as humanly possible.


For 3 acres I'd help pick up the slack for the lazy ones lol. There was a book out (that I'm wracking my brain to try and remember, I just remember it was a scifi), where the planet that they were on had a 'prosperity for everyone' mindset. The only people that went to work were the ones that wanted to. All of your basic needs like food, shelter, basic clothing, and medical were provided for. Everyone was alloted something like $700 per month to do whatever with. One of the main characters was blown away by how relaxed and advanced everyone was (he came from earth where everyone was me me me). He even asked How does everyone have so much? And the answer was that believe it or not, there are people that LIKE retail, server jobs, doctors, nurse, artist, actor, reporter, maid, etc (even here there are). She said, when you give people the choice to be whatever they want (even a lazy bum
). That it brings out the best in everyone, because they are not stressed and not overworked and WAY more productive and creative. Ahhh if only we could have something like this, I could see the human race becoming something great! Awesome post OP, even if people decided to stay in cities, we could all benefit from something like this.


That's why they call it "Sci-Fi" the fictional part of that is contained in the mindset that those who are provided for will actually do a damn thing.

How many teenagers have you see running off to pizza hut to deliver pizzas because they just really like it?

People don't work for joy - they work for money. Anyone who tells you different is lying and/or delusional.

Hell, ask the author of the book you're thinking about... why do I have to buy his book if he's just doing it for the love or writing?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by IncognitoGhostman

Originally posted by omar.e
If you gave the land to the right people this would be great. But nothing is free.

Everything is free, it is only man who puts a price tag or value on it.

Mindsets like yours and many others I see on here is exactly why this idea wouldn't work. You feel you are better than the other guy when you are no different. It's always got to be about competition and having or owning this.

Why can't it just be about being happy!


I completely agree with you! I can't believe how materialistic people are!



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by Ranthenae

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
While I like the idea(S&F), it would never work. Some people are just too damned lazy to actually "work" for a living. If you do get it passed, let me know. I would happily take my 3 acres and become as self sufficient as humanly possible.


For 3 acres I'd help pick up the slack for the lazy ones lol. There was a book out (that I'm wracking my brain to try and remember, I just remember it was a scifi), where the planet that they were on had a 'prosperity for everyone' mindset. The only people that went to work were the ones that wanted to. All of your basic needs like food, shelter, basic clothing, and medical were provided for. Everyone was alloted something like $700 per month to do whatever with. One of the main characters was blown away by how relaxed and advanced everyone was (he came from earth where everyone was me me me). He even asked How does everyone have so much? And the answer was that believe it or not, there are people that LIKE retail, server jobs, doctors, nurse, artist, actor, reporter, maid, etc (even here there are). She said, when you give people the choice to be whatever they want (even a lazy bum
). That it brings out the best in everyone, because they are not stressed and not overworked and WAY more productive and creative. Ahhh if only we could have something like this, I could see the human race becoming something great! Awesome post OP, even if people decided to stay in cities, we could all benefit from something like this.


That's why they call it "Sci-Fi" the fictional part of that is contained in the mindset that those who are provided for will actually do a damn thing.

How many teenagers have you see running off to pizza hut to deliver pizzas because they just really like it?

People don't work for joy - they work for money. Anyone who tells you different is lying and/or delusional.

Hell, ask the author of the book you're thinking about... why do I have to buy his book if he's just doing it for the love or writing?


Any one who has ever had a steady job where they do hard manual labor knows the benefits of working. They know the feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction and the improvement to their health and well-being that comes from doing work. It's like God's way of telling you you were meant to work. We have hands for a reason.

Working DOES make you happy.



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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A society where everyone has to farm to feed themselves can not sustain itself. It is incredibly naive to say otherwise.



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