The Free Land Act of 2011

reply to post by smithjustinb


So you not only want to confiscate the land of others but you want to tell them what to do with it? Your idea makes absolutely no sense.

What happens to the habitats for animals who don't live in farmlands?

Where are the implements to be used in this farming of yours to be made?

Who decides who gets fertile land vs. desert or alpine peaks

Where does the industry take place or do we all make our own plows, nails, soaps, dishes and the rest of it?

Where do the jackboots live who would have to police your agarian policys which are more draconian than anything Mao ever dreamed of?

Sounds like less naive minds have exposed this idea as an impossibility. Population centers are necessary for any modern society to survive, plain and simple. The logistics of the OP idea are insurmountable and could never be sustainable by the majority of Americans.

Now what we really need is to be free the power grid. If every home had their own renewable power source (solar & wind) our society would be better prepared to survive almost any catastrophic event. Sorry, I know off topic!

reply to post by smithjustinb


I asked that very question basically here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Most people, don't care, they would rather remain asleep or compliant little corporate work drones in the Matrix we have allowed to be created for us.

They don't realize, particularly the middle class in America that they are being insourced, outsourced, over taxed, liberties, freedoms, privacy, and now movements restricted, all the while the rich are getting richer (research how much land Queen Elizabeth II owns in America!)

There is enough for everyone but some chose to remain ignorant, asleep, dumbed down, distracted and divided all the while the smarter, more psychopathic ones are stealing all the resources (including land) right out from under our noses.

Question: How come land belongs to the banks?

Answer: Because the banks (and other large corporations own America and run American Government - there is no for the people and by the people).

I'm paying a mortgage on 100 additional acres I bought up further north right after I got my replies to the above link on ATS.............. most people don't care so the hell with them.

I've tried warning everyone to no avail.

Only a few dare take that red pill - the rest have chosen the blue one.

We have allowed the large corporations to pollute our water and than have to pay the large corporations to clean the water they polluted in the beginning...........make sense?

The planet, at present is being managed insanely.

reply to post by smithjustinb


I think what the OP is trying to convey, is that every single living thing on Earth has the right to live off the land. Humans do not. Animals seem to have more rights than humans when it comes to land use.

And yes I know, humans have, and continue to commit genocide on many animal species…therefore making the claim seem ridiculous.

I'm with you on this, it would be amazing to have this much going for us to keep up motivated. We will work, for less sometimes, as long as it benefits us fairly and allows us to keep our property. It could happen, organization will be needed though.

reply to post by smithjustinb


That would work for some but, personally I love my little apartment living space in "the big city". There is also the chance of drought which could kill millions, and the environmental impact would be immense.

Nope I prefer the idea of farming in skyscrapers. Take strawberries. Farming vertically you could grow about 5 tiers high on just one floor. That's a lot of berries in a lot less space. Say goodbye to e coli. No more bad growing seasons. The farms can be right in the city so, no more shipping foodstuffs all over the world. It's just a better way.

Originally posted by RedParrotHead
Sounds like less naive minds have exposed this idea as an impossibility. Population centers are necessary for any modern society to survive, plain and simple. The logistics of the OP idea are insurmountable and could never be sustainable by the majority of Americans.

Now what we really need is to be free the power grid. If every home had their own renewable power source (solar & wind) our society would be better prepared to survive almost any catastrophic event. Sorry, I know off topic!

Not off topic at all. We're both coming up with ideas to make the world a better place to live, and I agree. Unfortunately, we don't have the appropriate technology yet for this to be practical. We have solar and wind, but the means of storing the energy is primitive.

My plan is an introduction. Some of you say it's impossible, some say they wouldn't want it that way.

I, however, am almost certain that if it was went about the right way, everything that stands in the way of it becoming a possibility could be considered and dealt with in an efficient manner. If I had enough support on here, and if I really thought it might be something that the government would allow or that we could make happen, I would do the hard work and come up with a more detailed plan and you would have a hard time refuting it.

This is an incomplete overview and introduction of a plan that I think would solve a lot of problems.

The thing is, this plan is based around something that is our civil human right to be entitled to. Free land. We just need to be mature and cooperative enough for it to work.

Also, some people say 3 acres isn't enough to have an adequate farm, but what's to stop me and my good neighbor from sharing land and having 6 acres?

It's not about ownership of land, it's about sharing land. There wouldn't be anything to legally stop me from planting crops on your 3 acres or letting my cattle graze in your field anyway, but why would anyone want to. It's for the benefit of all. You could even be entitled to my crops and livestock upon a reasonable agreement.

I'm down with that.

reply to post by NuroSlam


Hardly. A lot of people could hardly care about conservation when it directly prevents them from getting what they want at the moment. I remember a news story a few years ago in which a local goverment was trying preserve the nesting trees of some very endangered woodpeckers. The response? A number of home owners childishly declared they were going to cut all the trees on their property before the ordinance could pass simply because "It's mine!".

This is stupidly common. Until mankind as a whole learns to see beyond it's momentary desires such an act would spell eccological catastrophy.

reply to post by smithjustinb


The real estate industry and anyone associated with it would move to stop you. Probly any home owner in the country with over 3 acres, which probly includes every lawmmaker in The House and Senate. Corporations. Also any person that views any social program as nothing more than handouts for people who should be allowed to die off. Yea, I'd say it's a pipedream.

reply to post by smithjustinb


Do you grow all your own food? If not, you are totally clueless on the subject. Grow all your own food then come back and tell us about it.

reply to post by smithjustinb


reading through all the comments I have a few things to point out.

1. the viability to live in a completely self-sufficient society, though the idea a grand one won't work when the gov. passes bills like S510 where it makes it illegal for you to grow your own food, give any surplus away or sell the food. Of course this is backed by the likes of monsanto, tyson, and others who want the food source controlled. Control the food, you control the people.

2. regarding the signature Deny Ignorance. But do not question authority. I'm hoping that is a sarcastic tag because one should all ways question authority. Being an "authority" does not guarantee validity, truth, or even your best interest at heart. Question away. And if you find out that it is false, then stand up for your rights as a human being. Don't just roll over with the notion that "the government wouldn't harm me", because that is sitting with your head in the sand.

3. Dare to dream. Strive to find a better way. Return to the roots of how this country was founded. On the pursuit of happiness et al. Fight to keep your rights, don't just give it away because you think "they" are well meaning & have your best interests at heart. Not so.

4. Investigate. The truth is there. Don't be so quick to dismiss it. What you think is bunk today you may later find out (too late) that it wasn't a conspiracy theory.

5. Ranthenae and SheepSlayer247's posts are appreciated. Food for thought. we are all, afterall, thinkers and the ruler of our own minds. We would hope.

Thank you for your information, your view points and your willingness to share & not condemn.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Anyone could live on as much of land as they wanted.

Yeah, that will work.

edit on 19-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)

You can build your house on 100 acres of land if you wanted, but anyone can come and build a house on an acre away from your house. There wouldn't be any legal action you could take against them, but you could still go to them and talk it out like civilized people and come to a mutual peaceful agreement.

Have you built your own house? If not, you've got no idea what you are saying telling people they can build their own house! Your ideas sound alright on paper, now go out and decide how they work out in real life.

reply to post by smithjustinb


Here is an offer, and here is my challenge. I could find you 3 full acres of land to work next spring. I could also find you a plot of land for either free or really cheap (~$10,000) where you can build a small house and not pay property taxes. You're definitely single since you have all day to farm land and build houses, so you can build a very small house and you'd be fine. Are you ready to start next spring?

After getting all that stuff for free, you can help the next person build their house and purchase their plot of land. If you think you're idea is so great then pack up your bags and move immediately. I'll even give you 40 hours of free labor to get started with. I'm completely clueless about farming and construction but that doesn't seem to matter to you since you think everyone can grow their own food and build their own house, with enough time left over for a part-time job for stuff like flat-screen TVs and such.

If you think you're idea is really that great, you'll take me up on my offer. I expect an answer of "hell no!" because I don't think you've got one of those ideas that you think are the best in the world on the internet but when it gets down to real life you actually already know its a pie in the sky nonsense.

This has probably already been said but, there are many, MANY National and State parks that would become filled with people claiming land and building houses if this happened. I would never, ever, accept something like that. I love nature and I don't want to see my Red River Gorge trampled by people (even though it's already started to happen).

Oh wow, I just saw smithjustinb's post where he said he didn't factor in wildlife preserves to the equation. If he didn't factor in those, it's likely he didn't factor in national and state parks either. He sounds like a typical socialist, not caring for nature or archaeological areas at all, only wanting to create cities and businesses. smithjustinb, I cannot overstate how much I despise you.

This stat addresses individuals, not families

reply to post by civilchallenger


I work in construction, and I have a garden. I am partially adequate. But I have an uncanny ability to adapt and learn new things, so these things would come easy to me if I were to fully immerse myself in those trades.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by civilchallenger

 

I work in construction, and I have a garden. I am partially adequate. But I have an uncanny ability to adapt and learn new things, so these things would come easy to me if I were to fully immerse myself in those trades.

Great, when should I expect you over?

Look...you've got a good idea. And you can make it work...I know because I actively farm 5 acres and we have another 45 in timber, with goats eating the undergrowth..ie poison oak/ivy...scrub...honey suckle.

On the 5 acres we grow all of our veggies for whole year...we just dug red potatoes and cured them out and are now in the root cellar, already froze spinach, english peas...have onions, dill, corriander tied and hanging to dry...just picked half bushel of snap beans, and the corn is tassling out, and all of my tomatoes have fruit and should be ready to start picking and canning in about 2 weeks. My breeding pigs are getting fat and will probably breed this fall and have little piglets next spring...I need to get some for fattening and killing this winter as we killed all but the breeding pair back in Feb.

My livestock consists of goats, chickens, and pigs...all are rotated around the 5 acres...the pigs are in mobile pig pens or pig tractors if you will and tear up the gardens for the next planting.

We also have grape vines, peach and apple trees, the blue berries are just now ripening, and the strawberries were wonderful.

Yes..it can be done.

Here is the PROBLEM...it takes a lot of work...lots of hot, physical, sweaty, dirty, manual labor. If you do not like that life style is coulod be dreadful. Frankly, I love it and the feeling of self sufficiency it brings.

Many would not last a day, much less a week doing this kind of labor. Feeding and hauling water at 6am, tying up and staking tomatoes...being dog tired and having to get up and put up ther potatoes you dug up this morning because a rains torm is only about an hour away. Having to chase hogs or goats that got loose, pick beans because if you don't get them now...you won't have any...and then firewood....lots of firewood...or getting up to go out to the johnny house in the cold...or worse...go to the johnny house in the summer heat...strong smelling, maybe a wasps nest in the corner...yup...the good life....I don't know how simple you want to live...I have and continue to live pretty simple.... heat with wood...many times cook on a wood fire. How about staying up till midnight canning tomatoes....done that way too often.

My point is...many folks don't like to cut up a who;e chicken from the grocery store...I can see them slaughtering a couple of chickens...or cracking freshh farm eggs and getting that oddball rotten one that makes you just lose your breakfast. Nope...it ain't for everyone...but to make your plan work, almost everyone would have to have the agrarian lifestyle.

The reason civilizations advance and allow artists and craftsmen and commerce to grow and develope is that farmers produce a surplus, allowing many to opt out of agriculture.... thus, you need some of your more modern farming techniques...

I like your idea....but frankly, it won't work on a national or regional level....maybe as a commune, but that was another thread some time back.