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Proof: For the belief in G_D.

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
I said and you have just confirmed, the bible was written by men. YOU are the one suggesting you have proof, so YOU proove to me that what these men wrote about actually happened and that god exists. I don't believe.

Prove me wrong.


I have proof that G_D exists because I believe in G_D. If you don't believe there's no proof which will exist for you, only proof for the belief in G_D can exist.

You have been taught that faith is believing where there's no evidence, and so you don't have to consider any evidence because by definition it doesn't exist.

As Prof. Lennox writes, 'Belief in God and faith in God is not simply faith in a theory about God. It's trust in a person.'

Cheers,
YHWH2

Ok, this is sadly becomming a farce.

I wished to engage in a intellectual discussion with you, it seems sadly, that you don't even understand the definitions by which you use to "PROVE" your argument.

I respect your belief but you have no proof, that is a simple fact. To say something is proof just because you believe it to be so just wont cut it.

With respect I withdraw from this nonsense.




posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
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I completely believe in a creator, but what proof is there, really?


That you believe is proof that you believe, isn't it?

Cheers,
YHWH2

yes, proof that i believe, not proof that creator exists.


So are you saying that your belief is not proof?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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I think why people here don't accept the Bible as proof is the Bible only came to us 2,000 years ago. The first modern humans are about 35,000 years old. (Unless you are one of those people who believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old)
Being able to express ourselves in writing was a big step forward in our history and a very young accomplishment. The oldest writing was found in China about 1,270 years ago. (Of course, cave drawings have been around for thousands of years.) The first modern humans reached Southeast Asia 7,000 years ago.
I think people want to know why God only waited until Humans could write to reveal Himself to us in a book.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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You have proof that you believe but unfortunately that holds little to no water in the eyes of others. I might believe that I'm superman, but what does that actually prove?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by MrGrimm

Because you used the word proof!!!!
That is why you failed in this thread, it was over before it began because of you.


I also used the words: For the belief in G_D.

I trust that this thread will still be here in 5 minutes, and so it's not a failure to me. What is a failure that you think I have a scientific formula for G_D or something else just as ludicrous.

Cheers,
YHWH2



Well that's about the first bit of sense you've made since this thread started.

I don't think you have one, I know you don't, and you couldn't possibly posses the evidence.
And at what point was it necessary to show proof of belief, we see it everyday, people are getting killed over it in other countries and sacrificing themselves for it.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by MrGrimm
And at what point was it necessary to show proof of belief, we see it everyday, people are getting killed over it in other countries and sacrificing themselves for it.


Proof of belief in G_D is distinct from Prof. Dawkins' assertion that to believe in G_D is a delusion.

Thanks for showing up.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by YouDeserveToKnow
You have proof that you believe but unfortunately that holds little to no water in the eyes of others. I might believe that I'm superman, but what does that actually prove?



If I have proof of belief in G_D than I have refuted the position that believing in G_D is a delusion.

Thanks for coming by.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Mister_Bit

With respect I withdraw from this nonsense.


Thanks for withdrawing respectfully, you were talking a lot of nonsense.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by ellieN

I think people want to know why God only waited until Humans could write to reveal Himself to us in a book.


You ask me this like I might have the answer, when this is a question which only G_D can answer.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
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I completely believe in a creator, but what proof is there, really?


That you believe is proof that you believe, isn't it?

Cheers,
YHWH2

yes, proof that i believe, not proof that creator exists.


So are you saying that your belief is not proof?

Cheers,
YHWH2

Proof to me possibly, but not to others who would prefer more concrete evidence.
btw, we are more or less on the same side here.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Let's just get one thing straight here, you only want to prove that belief, itself, exist when it comes to god correct?
ohh and thedoctorswife, she right, we are on the same side here. treat it that way please.
edit on 6/18/2011 by MrGrimm because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by MrGrimm
reply to post by YHWH2
 


Let's just get one thing straight here, you only want to prove that belief, itself, exist when it comes to god correct?
ohh and thedoctorswife, she right, we are on the same side here. treat it that way please.
edit on 6/18/2011 by MrGrimm because: (no reason given)


If I prove a belief in G_D than I have proven I'm not deluded in believing in G_D. Like Prof. Lennox I have won the debate against Prof. Dawkins or a person who holds his assertion.

Why do we have to get this straight, didn't you read my opening post?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Proof to me possibly, but not to others who would prefer more concrete evidence.
btw, we are more or less on the same side here.


Seems you are not even sure about your own beliefs, saying that it's possible.

If you are on my side, you realise that proof exists for the belief in G_D, and so therefore you are not deluded in believing in G_D.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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If you spent your money on Prof. Dawkin's book with 'Delusion' in the title and agree with him, you have not only bought a mistake but bought into a mistaken contention.

You should request your money back as a matter of principle, and should you actually receive it than I would suggest you send a part of it to Prof. Lennox as payment for his assistance in helping us uncover the opposite in Prof. Dawkin's contention being true, in fact; that proof exists for the belief in G_D, and therefore believing in G_D from the Christian perspective is not a delusion but trust in a real person.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Your arguments are shifting from one to another in this thread.

Yes I read it.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is, this thread is pointless. It sounds like this was just meant for you and you only. Yet you use words to trigger a reaction in people to read it.
I feel sorry for you now, I realize why you started this thread. Apart of it is mostly deep within your own belief of god, because you must have questioned it at some point (which is ok) and your here for help, but I also noticed that your condescending remarks seem to flow naturally from you.

You're abusing your little knowledge you've gained, if you're as smart as you pretend to be, you'll do the right thing.

I'm upset at myself for not noticing this right away, I'm sorry if I set you back.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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edit on 18-6-2011 by YHWH2 because: To do the right thing, which would be considered by some as correct.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Hate mail with Richard Dawkins.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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To the OP
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this is not proof anyone should believe in God. reading a book and there are many books in the theory of religions
Sorry but I dont buy it .. one reason for me

IMO God was not even mentioed until people had a language

To some and just not Athiests God is seen as a evil enity .. I dont go that far to say that he/god is because I dont use the word god in my belief or faith.

but
Only thing is now that even many Christians themselves are realizeing that the Bible is packed full of unproven stories .. and they have left to find a more meaningful belief stucture or howvever ya put it.

He or she wont be able to provide truth ever...cause she/he stated it already that it is a philosophical approach

Religious theory is like saying the Devil or Evil are the same and Heaven is someplace good Christians all go for not sinning. .. and the Devil will be released from the abyss ie (Hell) burning pit of fire ...

It's fun to talk about in bible Study but unfortunately I’m not into Bible study.
Religious Theology is just that a study of religions ..

It is because the people who have beliefs of a higher power and astral travel are those who see things or feel things that are not of the normal religious nature they are not stuck to the written words of hearsay in the bible.

Op can you tell me what man/woman fully human beings that had no real language no written capabilities they just were survivors they traveled in groups lived in high mountain caves and yet they knew something more awesome than us ..

And that was the abilities to use your mind and its power to communicate .. They could tell by reading a face if a person was in sorrow they had more intuition back then .. They used their minds to make things happen ..

Modern man such as those who were all behind the God thing was a moral based belief .. It gave you guidance and limitations .. Lots of Rules and it eventually killed many people .. All for the sake of G_D
I am not against any religion but you seem to have it out for Atheists do you also condemn other religions of the world and see them as evil just because they don’t match your beliefs????
edit on 18-6-2011 by NorthStargal52 because: spelling



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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I feel like a real jerk right now. Let's just agree to disagree.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by MrGrimm
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Your arguments are shifting from one to another in this thread.

Yes I read it.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is, this thread is pointless. It sounds like this was just meant for you and you only. Yet you use words to trigger a reaction in people to read it.
I feel sorry for you now, I realize why you started this thread. Apart of it is mostly deep within your own belief of god, because you must have questioned it at some point (which is ok) and your here for help, but I also noticed that your condescending remarks seem to flow naturally from you.

You're abusing your little knowledge you've gained, if you're as smart as you pretend to be, you'll do the right thing.

I'm upset at myself for not noticing this right away, I'm sorry if I set you back.


My argument has been solid from the start and throughout, and I refute your assertion that it has been shifting.

If this thread is pointless than you are speaking for yourself, only.

I apologise for any condescending remarks made.

Your assertion that I tried to trigger a reaction through the use of words is laughable. Language is what I have to communicate, what is triggered in the mind of another through the use of my words is not in my control.

I'll do the right thing: I'll keep you in my prayers so that you might find G_D and find Christianity for the protection of your soul against science's advance to remove it from your body.

You didn't set me back in anything, no need to apologise.

Peace be with you,
YHWH2



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