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Proof: For the belief in G_D.

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by vjr1113
dawkings and and lennox could be wrong so why even make the argument?
anyone can believe in god, but it does not make him real, like santa clause
because we can observe things does not prove a god, it proves nature.


This is very real, and not at all like your Santa Claus inference, simply because there is no historical proof for latter and there is for the former.


What historical proof? Please clarify, I've yet to see any.




posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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I haven't looked at your link, now I am not good on trying to put a description into words but I'll do the best I can. I am in agreement of something or someone who who put together an incredible Universe with all the info in a Bang as Scientists call it.
Everything we see is Math. Even ourselves. This Sentient Being is all things..to me that is, just my opinion, a chemist, biologist, mathematician, geneticist, etc....
I am sure the Creative Force does not have all these little petty humanist characteristics that we have so generously bestowed Him with (or Her). Not when you look at the Universe and all the awe it strikes into all of us. Or even much closer to home..a human being.... the spark of life that makes a fetus become a living sentient being, a baby.
Everything we touch is numbers in one form or another. That beautiful baby, a blade of grass, the water we drink, that beautiful sunset we look at.
Now ..what are the odds of all this just happening by chance.
Just my opinion, folks..Not stating a fact.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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stop using a christian perspective, that is what is called a presupposition...
it's the only way you know how to think so you think you are right


show us how the correspondence theory of truth and the coherence test for truth prove god.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by MrGrimm
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The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions and convincing or persuasive demonstration.

So please... demonstrate god for us.


Are you after a mathematical formula, because nothing like that exists to my knowledge?

I have given you plenty of ideas where you can find G_D's demonstration of his existence.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I completely believe in a creator, but what proof is there, really?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Mister_Bit

What historical proof? Please clarify, I've yet to see any.


New Testament: The Gospel of John, fourth biography of Jesus which at its end says, 'Many other things Jesus did in the presence of his disciples that are not written in this book, but these are written in order that you might believe.'

Not historical proof?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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not good enough. quoting the bible is not good enough.
try again



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife
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I completely believe in a creator, but what proof is there, really?


That you believe is proof that you believe, isn't it?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by Mister_Bit

What historical proof? Please clarify, I've yet to see any.


New Testament: The Gospel of John, fourth biography of Jesus which at its end says, 'Many other things Jesus did in the presence of his disciples that are not written in this book, but these are written in order that you might believe.'

Not historical proof?

Cheers,
YHWH2

Not by the greatest stretch of the imagination is that proof, sorry, try again.

The Bible is just a book, written by man, a story, parallel that if you will with Narnia, or Middle Earth, some one wrote about those, is that proof they were real places or people?

If YOU believe in god, then for YOU the bible is proof, for those of us who may not believe in the bible and god, show us proof, not some words written by equally misguided MEN.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
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not good enough. quoting the bible is not good enough.
try again


Why not?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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There are many reasons, in it god refers to himself as more than one god at times. It was written by man, books were removed from it because it contained dangerous knowledge, and it’s a condensed version of Babylonian, Akkadian and Sumerian.

The list goes on, only in the pursuit to PROVE that is.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Not by the greatest stretch of the imagination is that proof, sorry, try again.

The Bible is just a book, written by man, a story, parallel that if you will with Narnia, or Middle Earth, some one wrote about those, is that proof they were real places or people?

If YOU believe in god, then for YOU the bible is proof, for those of us who may not believe in the bible and god, show us proof, not some words written by equally misguided MEN.


I'm not asking you to imagine, Bible is not a work of fiction like the places in the books describing Narnia or Middle Earth, it's a biography written by four men, actually.

How can I prove anything to you when your preconceived attitude says "misguided" before I've opened my mouth?

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by vjr1113
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not good enough. quoting the bible is not good enough.
try again


Why not?

Cheers,
YHWH2

alright lets say that the bible is proof of god, what about all of the other religions?
it is ILLOGICAL to think all of the world's religions are true.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Not by the greatest stretch of the imagination is that proof, sorry, try again.

The Bible is just a book, written by man, a story, parallel that if you will with Narnia, or Middle Earth, some one wrote about those, is that proof they were real places or people?

If YOU believe in god, then for YOU the bible is proof, for those of us who may not believe in the bible and god, show us proof, not some words written by equally misguided MEN.


I'm not asking you to imagine, Bible is not a work of fiction like the places in the books describing Narnia or Middle Earth, it's a biography written by four men, actually.

How can I prove anything to you when your preconceived attitude says "misguided" before I've opened my mouth?

Cheers,
YHWH2


Because you used the word proof!!!!
That is why you failed in this thread, it was over before it began because of you.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Not by the greatest stretch of the imagination is that proof, sorry, try again.

The Bible is just a book, written by man, a story, parallel that if you will with Narnia, or Middle Earth, some one wrote about those, is that proof they were real places or people?

If YOU believe in god, then for YOU the bible is proof, for those of us who may not believe in the bible and god, show us proof, not some words written by equally misguided MEN.


I'm not asking you to imagine, Bible is not a work of fiction like the places in the books describing Narnia or Middle Earth, it's a biography written by four men, actually.

How can I prove anything to you when your preconceived attitude says "misguided" before I've opened my mouth?

Cheers,
YHWH2

As I said and you have just confirmed, the bible was written by men. YOU are the one suggesting you have proof, so YOU proove to me that what these men wrote about actually happened and that god exists. I don't believe.

Prove me wrong.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by Mister_Bit
I said and you have just confirmed, the bible was written by men. YOU are the one suggesting you have proof, so YOU proove to me that what these men wrote about actually happened and that god exists. I don't believe.

Prove me wrong.


I have proof that G_D exists because I believe in G_D. If you don't believe there's no proof which will exist for you, only proof for the belief in G_D can exist.

You have been taught that faith is believing where there's no evidence, and so you don't have to consider any evidence because by definition it doesn't exist.

As Prof. Lennox writes, 'Belief in God and faith in God is not simply faith in a theory about God. It's trust in a person.'

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by MrGrimm

Because you used the word proof!!!!
That is why you failed in this thread, it was over before it began because of you.


I also used the words: For the belief in G_D.

I trust that this thread will still be here in 5 minutes, and so it's not a failure to me. What is a failure that you think I have a scientific formula for G_D or something else just as ludicrous.

Cheers,
YHWH2



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
alright lets say that the bible is proof of god, what about all of the other religions?
it is ILLOGICAL to think all of the world's religions are true.


Logical or not, I have been clear from the outset that I'm coming from the Christian position.

Cheers,
YHWH2
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by YHWH2

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
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I completely believe in a creator, but what proof is there, really?


That you believe is proof that you believe, isn't it?

Cheers,
YHWH2

yes, proof that i believe, not proof that creator exists.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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faith
–noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

this is a waste of time. you are arguing for a belief that is not based on proof

faith is one of the most evil thing i can think of.
good luck
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