It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

How To Prove That Aliens Exist

page: 1
4
<<   2 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:32 PM
link   
The following thread is just a suggestion. And the examples i post is my personal opinions on this subject so dont criticize me for it

There is no doubt about it that something that we don't know about is flying in out airspace, atmosphere and even around our planet. There is no denying that something is going on but the only problem is what are these things behind the UFO Phenomenon? We can post all the cool UFO videos on here and YouTube that exist but the fact is that its not proving that what ever is flying this thing are Extraterrestrial its just proving there is something that's unidentified is in our air space, and if we could actually prove that Aliens are behind the sighting Disclosure will happen. Right now there are 3 main and possible explanations for the UFO Phenomenon. Its either that...


1. They are highly advanced and secret Military Craft.

2. They are us from the Future

3. They are from another Planet/Solar System/Galaxy/Universe or Dimension


I seem to like #3 the best and I think everyone agrees with me on that one. So instead of trying to prove something is in our air space we SHOULD change directions and try to prove that what ever these things are not from Earth. And if we can get a long and contribute i think people as smart as us should be able to do this and then we will have a way bigger chance at finally knowing the truth about what is going on. So I'll break the ice i suppose...


Of course we have the famous Roswell crash and the Betty and Barney Hill abduction but the most evidence i see is from the past. I know most people see the AAH as all interpretation but there are some clear evidence.

Japanese painting from 1803






This is not interpretation. This is not a cave painting that looks vaguely like a UFO. This is a flying saucer and this is before we had any types of aviation technology so that cancels out the possibly of Advanced Government Technology.

Italy Cave painting from 10,000 BC




And i know people will say this is all up to interpretation but i believe that's wrong. You can see 2 beings with ovals around their heads (perhaps helmets?) and look like they are in no gravity and are floating. What other things can we possibly see 12,000 years ago that could account for this? Ancients drew what they saw like Animals and they also drew them killing Animals so what could they have saw? People say that Ancient People were hullicinating or thats it all their imagination but if you believe in the AAH then you can see that sightings go back for several thousand years and if we are the same thing they saw then this should be a clear sign of Ancient ET Visitation. (my conclusion from observation)

So lets get this started shall we?











edit on 17-6-2011 by ObvTruth because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-6-2011 by ObvTruth because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:35 PM
link   
you dont have to be on shrooms to draw up something wicked



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
link   

Originally posted by ObvTruth

There is no doubt about it that something that we don't know about is flying in out airspace, atmosphere and even around our planet. There is no denying that something is going on but the only problem is what are these things behind the UFO Phenomenon? We can post all the cool UFO videos on here and YouTube that exist but the fact is that its not proving that what ever is flying this thing are Extraterrestrial its just proving there is something that's unidentified is in our air space, and if we could actually prove that Aliens are behind the sighting Disclosure will happen. Right now there are 3 main and possible explanations for the UFO Phenomenon. Its either that...

1. They are highly advanced and secret Military Craft.

2. They are us from the Future

3. They are from another Planet/Solar System/Galaxy/Universe or Dimension


4 Human misidentifcation: Not only are humans unreliable witnesses - but many things in the sky could be identify with a little research. Many people think they are seeing something out of this world, while they are simply just wrong or their eyes were playing tricks on them. It happens all the time.

One should always always always go thru a process of elimination first. See Here...

5 Hoaxers They exist. Cannot rule them out. With todays CGI experts....one can never just rule that out at first.



I seem to like #3 the best and I think everyone agrees with me on that one. So instead of trying to prove something is in our air space we SHOULD change directions and try to prove that what ever these things are not from Earth.


Im not so sure that everyone agrees with that..some, yes. But everyone? Nope.

One should always always always rule out planes, balloons, stars, planets, satellites, etc before jumping to some extraterrestrial explanation. That should always be the last thought....

How does one prove it is extraterrestrial? One cannot. There is absolutely nothing to compare it to. However, one can and should go thru a process of elimination as mentioned above. Once all things have been ruled out then truly, there is something unidentifiable and may be extraterestial.

But I am curious as to one's thoughts on how to prove something is extrerarestial first....
edit on June 17th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:55 PM
link   
reply to post by ObvTruth
 


#3, thay exist as one, thay are light, we can all be one



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:04 PM
link   
reply to post by greeneyedleo
 


Yes Humans are unreliable thats why i dont really look to eyewitness reports of people seeing ET's. Well thats why i like cameras even though there are Hoaxes and a lot of them there are those sightings that really make you wonder.

And im talking all Hoxes excluded btw.


Well since we cannot conjure up any undeniable proof seeing as how everytime a crash happens the Government scoops everything up we have to just put the pieces together.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:01 PM
link   
reply to post by ObvTruth
 


the only way would be iff that (the aliens) wanted too, and thay dont, its big, I dont know what exactly, but it is, thay misrepresent themselves as other things, and decieve, thay dont want us too see them, and thay spand beyond our life time (humans), were talking serious #, beeing planted comes to mind, etc etc... peace



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:53 PM
link   

This is not interpretation. This is not a cave painting that looks vaguely like a UFO. This is a flying saucer and this is before we had any types of aviation technology so that cancels out the possibly of Advanced Government Technology.


You make it seem as if it has been conclusively proven that object is a "UFO". We have no idea what it is, is there accompanying historical documentation with that artwork? It could be a fancy basket for all we know.
edit on 17-6-2011 by Turiddu because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:03 PM
link   
reply to post by Turiddu
 


Bro i know what i see. I know your a skeptic and im semi-fine with that but theres no way you can say "meh....maybe its something else". Plus what basket has a dome on it?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:12 PM
link   

Originally posted by ObvTruth
reply to post by Turiddu
 


Bro i know what i see. I know your a skeptic and im semi-fine with that but theres no way you can say "meh....maybe its something else". Plus what basket has a dome on it?


Do you know the origin of this? I mean the real one?

Tin Eye Search

Is it not possible that this is a modern day art piece? I see no facts associated with your link....I see no factual history attached to this...just speculation across ufo type forums....this should raise some flags....where is the actual original source for this "art"?

Also, baskets come in all shapes and sizes....not sure the significance of your question?




edit on June 17th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:31 PM
link   
reply to post by ObvTruth
 


I don't think it's simply a matter of 1, 2 or 3 but a combo of all 3 and maybe even more is going on that we are not aware of with our present tech and trapped in a 3d body with limited senses.

Keep in mind bears smell a million times better than humans, eagles can see better than us, some creatures have sonar and or night vision, and some can hear a way wider range of frequencies than us.

We might not be able to see, hear, smell, or sense everything that is right smack in front of our faces.......we are limited with the senses we naturally possess. As our technology progresses that may change.

Couple that with our governments possibly being in league (either by their own free will or forced) and given the fact that POSSIBLY (notice I don't say I actually know - because this is all theory still) we're talking about civilizations that may be anywhere from 1,000 to 1,000,000 years ahead of us.

How to prove they exist?

If one does enough reseach, the proof is there already.

I will leave this with some quotes from people considered more credible than me.

The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
--Dr. Maurice Biot (leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist)

"The evidence is overwhelming that Planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft. In other words, SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. Most are not. It's clear from the Opinion Polls and my own experience, that indeed most people accept the notion that SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. The greater the education, the MORE likely to accept this proposition" -- Stanton Friedman Defense Contractor Nuclear Physicist

"Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nuncios (embassies) in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela." -- Monsignor Corrado Balducci As stated 5 different times on Italian TV** (Vatican theologian insider close to the Pope,Monsignor Balducci said that he is on a Vatican commission looking into extraterrestrial encounters, and how to cope with the emerging general realization of extraterrestrial contact.)

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination." -- J Edgar Hoover

"I am convinced that these ojects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nations on earth" --Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding (Commander-in-chief, Royal Air Force Fighter Command) (3) An outpouring of UFO reports which forces response in high places, particularly when unknowns virtually blitzed the U.S. capitol in Washington, D.C. An Air Force intelligence analysis also concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships. (1952)

"The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious" --General Nathan Twining Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958

An astonishing statement by Gen. Douglas MacArthur that, "...the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets. The politics of the future will be cosmic, or interplanetary" (1955)

Truman climbs on board: "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth" --President Harry S. Truman

On the campaign trail, soon-to-be President Jimmy Carter promises that upon election, he would make public all the government's information on UFO sightings. "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself!" --President Jimmy Carter (1976)

"I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." --President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)

People will either believe or not believe. I have found you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

First and foremost, humanity had better clean up his act and grow the muck up.

We are still warring with each other, allowing evil psychopaths to rule over us, fighting over religion, race, sexual preferences and other really stupid stuff.

We are being dumbed down, distracted and divided...............when we need to become wise, focused and united.

Personally, I believe "They are here"

Personally I believe some of "them" have been here since we became a species.

Some of them evidently either mean us no harm. Possibly some are indifferent and just studying us, some are here to covertly conquer us or take our resources and maybe some are here for reasons unknown.

It's a very unwise man that says, he/she absolutely knows something for certain because sure as hell, one's arrogance will prove him wrong.

At this point in "time" there is no way to prove "they" are here. If someone or a group of someones have the tech to travel a star system or from another dimension, multiverses, parallel worlds, etc, they certainly have the power or tech to remain hidden. (Cloaking device on Star Trek).

Some of "them" are probably our own secret military advance aircraft.

Michio Kaku admits that 5% of all UFO sightings are still totally unknown and unsolved, and not military aircraft........and that is what he publically admitted in his video you can see on You Tube (was on CNN).

When mainstream scientists start admitting "they exist are are probably visiting us" you know something is up. Scientists are very reluctant to come forward and admit this because they must publically say what they are told to say or their funding is cut and they are black balled...........career suicide.

But some of them aren't and there have been too many credible people now that have seen and whistleblown this subject.

We should no longer be questioning them being here or demanding proof - we really should be asking what their purposes are and finding out ways to shut down their cloaking (or whatever) devices they have that allow them to hide so well from us.

One last thing to ponder. It has been my experience that if someone means you well, they are usually forthright, honest, above board and approachable.

If someone means to screw over you they are sneaky, dishonest, remain unseen and unapproachable.

Has anyone else noticed how we are being prepared psychologically by the number of movies, books, articles, games, etc of their existence?

"I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!" --President Richard M. Nixon

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth." --Colonel L. Gordon Cooper (Mercury 9, Gemini-5 Astronaut)

"Mission control, We have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions!" -- Astronaut Cady Coleman NASAtransmission shuttle mission STS-73

"I've been asked about UFO's and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."
--Commander Eugene Cernan, Commanded the Apollo 17 Mission. (LA TIMES, 1973)

"We have contact with alien cultures." --Astronaut Dr. Brian O'leary

"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone! --Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut

"UFO sightings are now so common, the military doesn't have time to worry about them - so they screen them out. The major defense systems have UFO filters built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it." --Lee Katchen (former atmospheric physicist with NASA)

"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!
--Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut

We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?"
--Apollo 14 Astronaut Capt. Edgar Mitchell

Also, one last thought to ponder, there have been far too many people that have gotten to close to "the truth" maybe with valid proof that have met unfortunate "accident/suicides" at rather young ages.


edit on 17-6-2011 by ofhumandescent because: grammar



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by ObvTruth

This is not interpretation. . . And i know people will say this is all up to interpretation but i believe that's wrong. You can see 2 beings with ovals around their heads (perhaps helmets?) and look like they are in no gravity and are floating.



I'm not sure I quite understand . . . how, exactly, is your 'interpretation' not an interpretation?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:38 PM
link   
reply to post by greeneyedleo
 


Well interestingly enough its from Haratonohama, Hitachi in 1803. There was a book written about this called "Ume No Chiri" and the book talks about "foreign ship and crew" that was spotted on the Haratonohama shore. and the ship was made of metal and glass with strange hieroglyphics. So this is an interesting sighting.

Source



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:39 PM
link   
reply to post by Wonderer77
 


I didnt say it was an interpretation im just saying what im seeing in the painting....



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:43 PM
link   

Originally posted by ObvTruth
reply to post by Wonderer77
 


I didnt say it was an interpretation im just saying what im seeing in the painting....


That's sort of my point - what you yourself are seeing in the painting is a subjective and personal interpretation. Others may see something entirely different, thus both legitimizing and lending evidence that it is, indeed, open to interpretation.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:45 PM
link   
reply to post by Wonderer77
 


Ok well your right in the technical aspect of what your trying to say because we all know the skeptics and closed minded people who simply refuse everything thats put in front of them as Lanters or balloons etc. But most people who are open minded can see what im seeing.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:47 PM
link   
First we have to prove if your really a vampire with those big sharpy teeth of yours.

I mean i could help you out on this but that doesnt mean you can have me for lunch

in any case...... there is so much proof and eyewitnesses but i guess if you really want to find bin laden you gotta go out and look for him
edit on 17-6-2011 by HisMajesty because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:53 PM
link   

Originally posted by HisMajesty
First we have to prove if your really a vampire with those big sharpy teeth of yours.

I mean i could help you out on this but that doesnt mean you can have me for lunch



Lol your like the 2nd person whos commented on my avatar.


in any case...... there is so much proof and eyewitnesses but i guess if you really want to find bin laden you gotta go out and look for him
edit on 17-6-2011 by HisMajesty because: (no reason given)


Its already a fact that something is in our airspace but the question is "what?" If we can definitively prove that what ever is behind this is not from the planet or time period we can get Disclosure.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:02 PM
link   
reply to post by ObvTruth
 


And I saw exactly what you saw in the painting as well.




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:46 PM
link   

Originally posted by ObvTruth
reply to post by Wonderer77
 


Ok well your right in the technical aspect of what your trying to say because we all know the skeptics and closed minded people who simply refuse everything thats put in front of them as Lanters or balloons etc. But most people who are open minded can see what im seeing.


Thanks for clearing that up.

Though it may not sound like it, I'm quite intrigued by the Ancient Astronaut suggestion (as well as Intelligent Design, which is sometimes associated). In all fairness, I can easily see what you suggest in both some ancient and more recent (Medieval, Renaissance) paintings. I do, however, reserve statement of pure fact in the absence of conclusive proof. The real fact we can deal with now is that the painting or drawing may represent something possibly rather mundane - we simply do not know. (It should perhaps also be noted that the hypotheses suggesting that 'glows' or 'circles' around heads in some paintings are representations of hair or 'haloes' denoting religiosity or Saintliness remain just that - hypotheses - without definitive proof)

Though tempting at times, it generally is not a good idea to arbitrarily state a subjective interpretation as irrevocable fact.
edit on 6/17/2011 by Wonderer77 because: Typo



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:53 PM
link   
reply to post by Wonderer77
 


Well of course they is no Undeniable Proof. If we found this we would all know about ET visitation in Ancient times and I'm sure we'd know about ET visitation now. People expect too much when it comes to this Theory. They expect us to prove it by us finding a UFO from thousands of years ago which is an absurd task they want us to accomplish in order to prove the AAH.



new topics

top topics



 
4
<<   2 >>

log in

join