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“Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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hhahaha you'd think that with all the arrogance of being american they would have invented their own language by now instead of using English !

Seriously , who cares if he wanted to use his native tongue , alot of people prefer to speak in their first langauge as it makes them more comfortable and they can express themselves better .
Learning another language is difficult especially for older people .
fair enough the guy has been in the country for a long time he probably can speak english pretty well but chose not to !

Immigration is what made america , and now your complaining cus some guy is speaking his first langauge.
America has far greater problems than whether or not immigrants can speak the langauge.
I'd think that since america has alot of immigrants there are more people in america that dont speak english as a first langauge than there are that do !




posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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Apparently ignorance knows no bounds here. The guy knows English, he speaks it perfectly well...but there's such a thing as being more comfortable speaking the language that you grew up with.

Furthermore, the guy is speaking on behalf of immigrants and their rights...so speaking in his native tongue is probably a move that's meant to point out that someone who has entered this country legally and has been here for 23 years is still more comfortable speaking his native tongue.

My parents were still more comfortable speaking their native tongue 16 years into living in the USA and after getting citizenship, yet I never learned it. Furthermore, they already spoke English fluently before moving here anyway.


I just find the ignorance of the nuances of being an immigrant staggering and idiotic. The idea of not understanding "the other" and vilifying them for their differences is beyond ignorant, it's idiocy.


Ah yes, you said it! The nuance of staging a fake not being able to speak English when it's perfectly clear he knows how to say "Catch Yas later!" No Problemo! The whole thing was staged.
The level of not being aware of communsit agitation in this country is also phenomenal.

Marxist agitator and pro-ILLEGAL alien activist Dolores Huerta was an invited guest speaker at a special assembly at Tucson High Magnet School the day after massive student walkouts in support of illegal aliens. Huerta was the co-founder, with Cesar Chavez, of the United Farm Workers Union and is one of the national leaders of the latest protests and rallies supporting illegal alients. During her speech Huerta told many outright lies without being challenged by school officials or students. She even went so far as to state such outrageous things as "We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us" and "Republicans hate Latinos!". All without any opposition from the school administration.

www.freerepublic.com...

but let David Horowitz Front Page Mag explain it. He is former leftist so no excuses

archive.frontpagemag.com...



Less than one month before losing his job as Governor, Gray Davis screwed California taxpayers with one of many “payoff” appointments: Dolores Huerta, appointed to fill the remainder of a term on the University of California Board of Regents. On September 9, 2003, Davis appointed Huerta to the Board, the governing body for the UC system. The appointment followed just days after Davis signed legislation to give illegals drivers’ license. Earlier in the year, he also signed an extensive farmworkers’ bill for which Huerta agitated. To many, her appointment was seen as a sop to the Hispanic community in Davis’ quest for votes.
One may question Huerta’s fitness for the position, as she is a well-known radical labor activist and a board member of the Democratic Socialists of America. While Huerta is admired in many quarters for her efforts to organize (read: radicalize) migrant farmworkers, her benevolence must be seen within the framework of her radical worldview. In addition to her leadership roles in the DSA, the United Farmworkers of America, the Coalition for Labor Union Women, and the California AFL-CIO, Huerta is also a founding board member of the Feminist Majority, a board member of Latinas for Choice, a board member of the Center for Voting and Democracy, and for the conservative-bashing FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting). FAIR regularly refers to conservative talk radio as “hate radio.”

Huerta is driven by a belief that true democracy can only be achieved through a redistribution of wealth. In a 2002 interview, Huerta stated, “I think organized labor is a necessary part of democracy. Organized labor is the only way to have fair distribution of wealth; it helps create a middle class. Without a middle class, there would be no democracy.”


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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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i know, i may have been exaggerating the point just a tad

the main reason i think this all irks me is because of what ive seen in some of the school systems in southern california.

the highschools are full of mexican 'cliques' that are all about brown power and hating the white kids. now im not trying to say that they shouldnt have pride in their race but its the boisterous attitude they have and is so ungrateful.

which brings me back to the OP's video, it is just downright rude and arrogant, especially the fact that he can speak english but chooses to use the translator.

and i understand the posts saying that he thinks in spanish and he just wants to be able to articulate himself as best he can but, look at what hes testifying for.

its like walking into a taco bell with a bag of del taco and sitting down and eating.
(sorry for the reference im just in the mood for mexican food after reading this thread)



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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It's not all about US. Here in UK, public authorities bend over backwards translating their literature into heaven knows how many languages. That was a big mistake from the off. Also, on the political correctness front, I've known native English speakers learn Punjabi to try to get a job in places like Bradford - which is turning into an Asian city. In our case, it isn't about illegal immigrants, it's about those communities which have chosen to segregate themselves.Time it stopped. Want to live here? Learn the common language.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Compare yesteryear's LEGAL immigrants with today's CRIMINAL immigrants.

Every point you made is invalid.


 
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by MikeNice81
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I understood the point of your post. As some one that has had to learn a bit of Spanish I know how it works. I just get tired of people making excuses. Yes his thoughts form in his native tongue. Mine do as well when I try to speak Spanish. That has nothing to do with his choice of how he testified.

The average monolinguist understands the difficulty of speaking a second language. You see most of us aren't closet racist or monolinguist. A lot of us learned French, Spanish, German, Latin, or another language in school. We understand the difficulty of learning even an elementary level of a language.


Except I'm not talking about the difficulty of learning or speaking a language. I'm talking about the difficulty in managing fully fluent expression. Do you think Shakespeare reads like Shakespeare if you put him into Portuguese? Even with the best translations possible, it comes off very different. Part of this is because we, as English speakers, can read Shakespeare and actually see entire chunks of our modern language be invented. That would be completely lost on a Portuguese audience. The plays on words, the idioms and allusions would also be lost in the translation. To get the full value of Shakespeare (or Jalal Rumi, or Rinuccini, or Lope de Vega) you really need to know the language their works were written in.

Similar with the fellow this thread is about. He's more comfortable expressing himself in his native tongue, because what he's thinking and what he's saying have the same flow and form. And I don't blame him.


To us, it is about showing respect. Show us that you want to be an American. Show us that you are here to become a part of the culture and advance us as a nation. Do not expect us to bend to your ways and customs.


No. You are lying. To you it is about dominance. You keep clutching your pearls about how you don't want to "bend," and how you must be shown "respect?" Bull. you want HIM to bend to YOUR whims. You want him to genuflect to you. you want him to meet whatever exacting standards you have that never once take this man into consideration - only what YOU want him to be like. You don't want him to become a part of your culture - you want him to abandon whatever shreds of his culture there are, and allow you to impose upon him whatever you think a "proper" culture is.

The Spanish Language is part of our culture. it has been for a very, very long time. Even if it were some sort of "new addition," you can't just freeze-frame culture and forever live in that one single moment. The world doesn't work like that.


Many cultures have come here, learned the language, and still held on to their culture and beliefs. It isn't about changing cultures, it is about communicating so that we can all learn about each other and grow together.


He seemed to be communicating just fine - he had a translator. Again, you are lying. You're not interested in him communicating - you just don't want him to speak Spanish. I presume that, like The Professional, it stems less from a problem with the language, as the people speaking it - since, after all, you think you have an absolute right to make demands on how they speak, act, think, behave...


It isn't about this guy making friends with assholes. It was about winning political points among people that otherwise would dismiss your position out of hand.


Actually, it is. A person who throws out another opinion because of the language it's delivered in is an asshole. ESPECIALLY when it's not even an issue of communication - he has a translator, what he's saying is thus perfectly clear to an English monolinguist. You are therefore saying that what this man is saying is worthless, not because you don't understand it, but because he says it in Spanish and Spanish is a language you dislike - presumably because Mexicans speak it.

A person does not need friends of that sort, and it serves no purpose to court them.


It is about showing respect for the country and culture you moved in to. I understand his hardship. I feel like an idiot talking to a bunch of Mexican farmers in Spanish. Sometimes, you just have to give it a shot. If people see you trying they will help you and consider your point more often. They will be more willing to accept you and your needs.


And just as often they will not. I assure you, if this guy spoke perfectly, but had a Mexican accent, every single poster here would STILL be bitching about it. Including you. it's not an issue of language or communication - as I've pointed out, you have no difficulty understanding what he's saying.

You just feel that your enormous, domineering ego was pricked because he chose to speak in a manner that is comfortable for him, AS IS HIS RIGHT. You feel he should conform to your wishes, whatever htye may be, because he is A LESSER PERSON THAN YOU.


When you refuse to speak in English to conduct necessary business - or to deal with the state - it appears that you are expecting the other 200 million plus English speaking Americans to cater to you. It comes across as arrogant or helpless.


That's why you bring a translator.

You want to talk about respecting Americans? One of the foundational pillars of our society is that ignorant yahoos can't demand your silence and expect to be heeded. I know that people such as yourself believe that this only applies to "real" Americans, of course, but the fact is, it applies to anyone who comes here, at any point, for any reason, however long they are here. Welcome to America.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Again, there are people who are here for 20, 30, 40 years who don't speak a word of English. Why?


That is a good question. I really can't answer that.

I could ask if they are here legally. There are illegal immigrants that have been in the US for decades and although they should learn English by now, for some reason they chose not to. This also includes legal residents that also choose not to learn English, although they are not required to by law.

Now, If they are legal US Citizens, and do not understand or speak English, then i put the blame on US Immigration for approving their naturalization request. And this is actually very common. Immigration lawyers seem to have a way around this important requirement.

No immigrant should be approved for US citizenship without first learning to speak, read and write in English. This is a legal requirement. If this requirement is not complied with then the blame lies with the INS officer who ignored this requirement and approved the naturalization of the person in question.

All the flaws in immigration are not due to immigrants, they are due to the legislators who created the dysfunctional immigration laws in the first place.



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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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I am from Spain, and the same thing happens with all the English people coming to live here. They do not want to learn Spanish, since they live in English speaking comunities. But as a Spanier, i belive they should try to learn the basics, and mix a little with their host country.

When i was living in the UK, thats what I did.
I have had to lisent to a lot of british people complaining about foreign comunities living in the UK and how they should live and speak as English men do, or otherwise they should live!!!! Well....

Why dont you do the same in Spain?


Originally posted by gremlin2011
theres a saying ' when in rome, do as the romans do ' im in the uk and we got the same trouble with every nationality of the EU flooding our tiny island!!

wana live here then learn our language simple as that!!

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by sapien82
 


Compare yesteryear's LEGAL immigrants with today's CRIMINAL immigrants.

Every point you made is invalid.


 
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Yes, let's compare them. Know what the only difference is?

Somewhere in the 1920's, the standards for immigration changed.

Yes, it really is that arbitrary. These people are only "illegal" because one day, someone decided they should be. Sort of like how on January 28, 1919, beer was legal, and then on January 29, 1919, it was illegal. Beer was the same, the law had changed.

whenever I see someone arguing that illegal immigrants are "bad" because they break the law, I ask if the person would then support endeavors to relax immigration strictures, to make legal immigration MUCH easier and affordable, thereby making it so these folks are no longer breaking hte law, since apparently that's the major problem people claim to have with 'em

The answer has always been no. ALWAYS.

Your problem isn't with their legal status, friend. Stop pretending it is.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:52 AM
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English is the language of NWO so...



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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You make a good point. What is happening in the US happens everywhere. Immigrants in foreign countries tend to huddle together in tight nit expat communities instead of integrating into the native culture (not all of them). There are a lot of American expats that do this. There are American expats living in English speaking communities in about every foreign country in the world who refuse to learn the native language.

All immigrants living in a foreign country should attempt to learn the native language of that country. It's just a smart and logical choice. Those who don't are really just limiting themselves.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Scoriada
Seriously? You have been in the country for 23 YEARS and you still feel more comfortable speaking Spanish? You're either LAZY or STUPID or both.


Refusing to assimilate...that is but just one of many ways this once great country is being dismantled and destroyed from the inside out. Take the case of my Latina wife. She is born and raised U.S. (San Diego, CA) but when her parents migrated here from Mexico back in the late 40's early 50's they considered themselves as AMERICANS. Even going so far as to NOT ALLOW Spanish to be spoken in their household. It's kind of a trip that I probably know more Spanish than my wife does and I am originally from Ohio! She told me stories about growing up in a predominantly Mexican neighborhood in San Diego (National City) where her and her sisters would hear some kids speaking Spanish and how they couldn't, so one time they asked their dad "How come we cannot, nor know how to speak Spanish like other kids in our culture?" For which their dad replied "Because we are AMERICANS and in America, and in this house, we will all speak English understand?!?!" Guess what? They never questioned him about it again.

THAT my fellow ATS'ers is largely no longer the case. Just like Somalies/Yemenese/Haitian that come here and still believe that they have the RIGHT to impose their host countries laws over U.S. laws, or that chicken blood, cats tongue, and a rotted finger from a 5 day old corpse is all you need in order to turn someone into a Zombie....all while taking advantage of EVERY welfare benefit that WE THE TAXPAYERS offer to provide through our now completely corrupt and lawless congress and criminal in chief. Like it or not, but like I said...that is but just ONE of MANY reasons as to why this country is becoming more and more 3rd world each and every day that passes



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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Your problem isn't with their legal status, friend. Stop pretending it is.


The change from illegal to legal wont fix the problem of massive unsustainable immigration rate, it may even make the numbers greater, nor will it fix bad educational, economic, health and cultural (drug and criminal culture) background of immigrants. It wont change the economic fact that once rate of immigrant influx is greater than rate of new job creation, unemployment inevitably increases.

This is in essence becoming a problem of local overpopulation (diminishing wealth or resources / people ratio because of increasing denominator), just like in the third world, this time not caused by excessive breeding, but by high immigration influx (and excessive immigrant breeding then).


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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:39 AM
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Anyone here speak Lakota? I'm Native American.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:39 AM
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Totally , do you think that immigrants of yester year , where no more illegal than today , accept that maybe 100 years ago they had less security at borders to stop illegal immigrants .
100 years ago there were probably illegal immigrants in their thousands compared to today i think the number is significantly less , especially with gung ho americans taking the law into their own hands and defending the american border from illegal immigrants.

Borders are imposed by the governments that we all hate and discuss here on ATS on a daily basis , its those borders that seperate us and divide us imaginary lines drawn on a map , where wars are fought over territory and rights on who should be allowed to cross!



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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When all of the white people came to this country, they didn't assimilate. They enforced their language, housing, and laws upon us. Interesting that they don't like it being done to them by other races. Just callin it as I see it.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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Nicely said, i have close friends who are Cree and i couldn't agree with you more!



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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My issue is that the activism has an agenda behind it.

Here;s a list of Soros funded Immigration groups

Some of the left wing immigration groups Soros funds and their agendas are: America's Voice supports open borders, American Bar Association Commissions on Immigration Policy opposes citizenship verification, American Civil Liberties Union supports open borders, American Immigration Council supports open borders, American Immigration Law Foundation supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Casa de Maryland supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Center for Constitutional Rights supports open borders, Democratic Justice Fund opposes regulating immigration, Fair Immigration Reform Movement supports open borders, Gamaliel Foundation opposes immigration restrictions, Human Rights First supports open borders, Human Rights Watch supports open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens, Immigrant Defense Project supports illegal aliens, Immigrant Legal Resource Center supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project supports open borders and mass immigration into the U.S., Immigration Policy Center supports open borders, Latino Justice PRLDF supports expanded rights for illegal aliens, Lawyers Committee For Civil Rights Under Law supports illegal aliens, League of United Latin American Citizens supports open borders, Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition supports illegal aliens, Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund supports open borders and free college tuition for illegal aliens, Migration Policy Institute supports eliminating borders, National Council of La Raza supports mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens, National Immigration Forum supports open borders and instant access to welfare and social programs, National Immigration Law Center supports unrestricted access to social welfare programs for illegal aliens and the National Lawyers Guild that also supports open borders.


bearwitness.info...

Soros has an obvious Socialist/communist agenda. It's so simple and yet so few see it.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by xavi1000
English is the language of NWO so...


I was thinking more along the lines of Esperanto...


THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.


Esperanto - engineered language

I think native speaker Mr. Soros would agree...



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 05:50 AM
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Yes, Divide and Conquer has always been their agenda, it's who they are. The sooner Everyone realises that
the sooner Everyone can disconnect from them and Create what they really want and not what they've been fed by the Media and distorted time line of events that happened according to the Elites.


Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
My issue is that the activism has an agenda behind it.

Here;s a list of Soros funded Immigration groups

Some of the left wing immigration groups Soros funds and their agendas are: America's Voice supports open borders, American Bar Association Commissions on Immigration Policy opposes citizenship verification, American Civil Liberties Union supports open borders, American Immigration Council supports open borders, American Immigration Law Foundation supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Casa de Maryland supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Center for Constitutional Rights supports open borders, Democratic Justice Fund opposes regulating immigration, Fair Immigration Reform Movement supports open borders, Gamaliel Foundation opposes immigration restrictions, Human Rights First supports open borders, Human Rights Watch supports open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens, Immigrant Defense Project supports illegal aliens, Immigrant Legal Resource Center supports amnesty for illegal aliens, Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project supports open borders and mass immigration into the U.S., Immigration Policy Center supports open borders, Latino Justice PRLDF supports expanded rights for illegal aliens, Lawyers Committee For Civil Rights Under Law supports illegal aliens, League of United Latin American Citizens supports open borders, Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition supports illegal aliens, Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund supports open borders and free college tuition for illegal aliens, Migration Policy Institute supports eliminating borders, National Council of La Raza supports mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens, National Immigration Forum supports open borders and instant access to welfare and social programs, National Immigration Law Center supports unrestricted access to social welfare programs for illegal aliens and the National Lawyers Guild that also supports open borders.


bearwitness.info...

Soros has an obvious Socialist/communist agenda. It's so simple and yet so few see it.



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