Originally posted by swordfish
FREEMASON, I have to tell you every time I read one of your replys my stomach does a few turns. Your replys suggest that you know everything about
the universe and how life might evolve or might not evolve in other parts of the solar system and universe. It is almost as if you are some all
Facts are facts and you do not need to be God to know them, just God to know them all.
Originally posted by swordfishThe truth is FREEMASON, you are not. Their is no doubt you are well schooled and intelligent about what
scientist think and know about the boundaries of what limits life can sustain, and about other various space topics. The problem is FREEMASON nobody
really knows how life might be different and be able to sustain itself other places in the universe because we have not been able to do hands on
studies except for the moon which was limited.
This is what is wrong, however, as we do know what life is. Life is (among some other things as I'll probably miss the subtleties) a celled organism
that self replicates, grows, reproduces or such, and must therefore consume food to survive whatever that food is. Fire, is not a life form for it is
not comprised of cells. Viruses are not life forms because they technically do not self-replicate. DNA is not a life form because it is not a
cell...and so forth.
You can not sit there and change definitions to find what you are looking for. Intelligent life (which is all that is worth finding), will not be
anything but a celled organism. Sure there might be "energy beings" but we'll never meet them because energy in our physical universe just does
not have the properties to form sentient beings by itself.
So we have a choice, stick to the definition of life or change it.
We could change the definition to "anything that grows when there is an abundance of resources". Great so that means a rock of quartz was "alive"
once too...or salt crystalizing as water evaporates, that would be alive.
The fact is we can make everything something else by changing the definitions as the definitions we use are man-given not "absolute".
We can make four rocks into five rocks by changing the definition of five to anything consisting of the the amount of . . . and .
We can make the sun a moon by changing its name.
We can make the stars feces by the same process.
And we can make some funky chemical reactions on strange worlds life by changing the definition.
The only question worth considering is what are the limitations of sentient life? I believe that few would contend that carbon based life forms are
the only possibility due to constraints of other elements.
Why is that all that is important? After all bacteria are not sentient but they can kill us.
Well so can the sun blowing up or a rock falling on your head or a mass wasting effect or any number of events.
Just because we find something on an Alien world that multiplies in abundance of what it consists of, and happens to kill us like a disease (larger
grained asbestos for instance), does not make it a life form.
If we find a being that can cultivate the land or mine resources, that is not consisting of Carbon, I'll stand corrected.
However the only instance of such a life form I think we would find, is a Machine programmed to carry out the functions of life.
Originally posted by swordfishSorry to burst your bubble but what you think you know you don't. One day you will have to crawl out of
the box you are stuck in and judging by your post this could surely make your world spin. Well that is it for todays lesson class see you bright and
Sorry but I think the "Body" of my post shows well that I have a firm grasp of what I'm talking about. And believe me I do not need to "crawl out
of my box".
If anything, I started out as naive as all these other nuts who believe masons are baby eating reptilians, who believe that UFOs are visiting the
earth, and that Mars once was home to a great alien civilization.
Then several things happend.
1) I grew older.
2) I generally learned more.
3) I formally learned more.
Those in combinations just pretty much ended the arguments that take place here...and thus why I can seem as if I am pretending to be "God".
Really, I just am sick of hearing baseless arguments of the same things over and over again.
Life on Jupiter?
Life on Europa? Possibly.
[edit on 9-8-2004 by FreeMason]