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Education budget in Texas just got a $4 billion cut... teachers to see pay reduced

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Well this ain't good.

Texas House OKs lower pay, furloughs for teachers

Texas lawmakers took another step on Thursday toward empowering school districts to furlough educators and to cut their pay in the name of saving money and jobs.

They also retreated from their earlier willingness to use excess money from the state's rainy day fund to help pay the costs of student enrollment growth - projected to be about 170,000 children during the next two years.

Republicans argued that a severe budget shortfall obligated lawmakers to give school districts more flexibility to make schools more efficient while cutting public schools by at least $4 billion under current funding formulas.

The cuts to basic education amount to about $400 per student. Lawmakers also cut $1.3 billion from discretionary grants for programs such as full-day pre-K kindergarten.

Public education in Texas just got decimated...

They will vote for this crap... but the same people won't vote to kill the TSA sick behavior... disgusting.

In other news, the public education system in the US is a joke. As many say, more money ain't the solution. But this bill still ain't fixing anything.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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I saw awhile back, texas tax payer money that goes to the schools was "capped" and the excess goes to the state. Even though the enrollment numbers keep going up. Add that to this... And our children are in for a world of stupidity. I wonder what their grown up world will be like?

O/t excuse me for not having time to find what im talking about. Maybe someone else knowd better than me. My dad just got hit by a truck this evening, while on a bike. So im just reading ats to settledown for the night. I just dont know how to look it up atm and im drained.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:03 AM
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The only ones that lose here are the kids, but kids have been losing for many decades in the public school system.

/TOA



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:59 AM
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What the schools should do is expel all illegal immigrants. Just think of the savings then. Additionally, they should cut unnecessary classes and "services". Go back to teaching only the basics. Reading is fundamental, but way to many students cannot read and are functionally illiterate. Mathematics is key to really good jobs, ie medicine, engineering, and many trades require a good grasp of math. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. Drop all of the leftist social indoctrination and conditioning classes. Just those changes alone would likely save millions each school year.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:23 AM
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Good, I'm tired of people complaining about how education keeps getting cut, it should be completely cut. No where in the constitution does it say the government has to be in charge of your education, that I think came from the socialist agenda. Why would you want the government in charge of your education or anyone's education?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
Good, I'm tired of people complaining about how education keeps getting cut, it should be completely cut. No where in the constitution does it say the government has to be in charge of your education, that I think came from the socialist agenda. Why would you want the government in charge of your education or anyone's education?
Actually, this refers to Texas. At the state level, there is no reason the several states could not decide to have a centralized educational system within their state. At the federal level, I agree with you 100%.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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The more we get into war, the more bad this country is.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Texas has seen some very good economic growth in the last decade with alot of high tech companies moving to the Dallas/Fort Worth region. The reason these companies have been moving to Texas besides being a low cost/tax state is the abundence of educated workers.

Cutting this money may save on some short term pain but the lasting effects could be far worse. Education really is the key to a successful economy. Lets hope for the futures sake these cuts arent detrimental to these childrens education.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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Teachers will lose their jobs but the football programs will be as strong as ever.

What does that say about our society?


There was actually an ISD (Independent School District) here in the DFW area that proposed cutting 1 football program in order to save jobs and it made the top story news state-wide. Comments such as "never before would school boards have even though of this!..." and "for the first time in texas education history...".
Interviews with parents went from supportive to stunned and outraged. "CUT FOOTBALL!!!??? YOU MUST BE MAD!"

Here's the kicker - the program they wanted to cut was a 3rd string, YES - 3RD STRING! team. The "too-fat" and "not talented but they bought the uniform so meh" kids.

Amazing



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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You neocons have reached new depths of intolerable and inexcusable depravity. Cutting education is disgusting.

Education is VITAL to the sustainability of our future as a played in the world. Economics and policy are dependent on an educated populace. Any civics class worth its salt would of taught any of you fools that the main role of citizens in a Democratic Republic is being informed.

All I see the the agenda to make us a third world country. The ruling class has got to love this. The biggest threat to those in power is a knowledgeable populace. The lower the average IQ of large groups of people the easier they are to control.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot
You neocons have reached new depths of intolerable and inexcusable depravity. Cutting education is disgusting.

Education is VITAL to the sustainability of our future as a played in the world. Economics and policy are dependent on an educated populace. Any civics class worth its salt would of taught any of you fools that the main role of citizens in a Democratic Republic is being informed.

All I see the the agenda to make us a third world country. The ruling class has got to love this. The biggest threat to those in power is a knowledgeable populace. The lower the average IQ of large groups of people the easier they are to control.


Throwing more money at the teachers who already have lavish salaries + benifits does not equate to smarter students!



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot
Education is VITAL to the sustainability of our future as a played in the world. Economics and policy are dependent on an educated populace. Any civics class worth its salt would of taught any of you fools that the main role of citizens in a Democratic Republic is being informed.

Agreed.


All I see the the agenda to make us a third world country. The ruling class has got to love this. The biggest threat to those in power is a knowledgeable populace. The lower the average IQ of large groups of people the easier they are to control.

Yep.

I don't think anybody here disagrees with that. The question we are asking is... is more money the solution? Is public education as we know it the solution?

The education budgets have been rising every year... while scores and actual knowledge have been going down.

``Spend more money on education`` ain't fixing things and won't. Time for a new approach.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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This is not the end of the world. According to the article the cuts equate to $400 per student. If you look at Houston which spends roughly $10,000 on average to educate each student, this is not much of a cut.

Why is it that private schools can educate children at half the cost and provide a higher standard of education?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by joyride0187

Originally posted by LexiconRiot
You neocons have reached new depths of intolerable and inexcusable depravity. Cutting education is disgusting.

Education is VITAL to the sustainability of our future as a played in the world. Economics and policy are dependent on an educated populace. Any civics class worth its salt would of taught any of you fools that the main role of citizens in a Democratic Republic is being informed.

All I see the the agenda to make us a third world country. The ruling class has got to love this. The biggest threat to those in power is a knowledgeable populace. The lower the average IQ of large groups of people the easier they are to control.


Throwing more money at the teachers who already have lavish salaries + benifits does not equate to smarter students!


Ironically, I was unaware that removing money from them will help. Huh well i guess that makes sense. Lets just abolish all schools as that would obviously make everyone far far more intelligent. In stead of classes we can all just sit and watch Fox News so they can tell us how to be corporate shills. They would have to dumb it down as the average American at that point would need help to understand big words like democracy or voting.


Go watch Idiocracy. A great and apparently well informed movie that was able to see the future of America.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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money aint the solution the products of the department of education are the only ones who dont see that.

meh whats a few more billion to keep producing that same results.

something needs to be done to secure this nations future and making a bunch of morons wont help.

this reminds me of what the russians did during the cold war they didnt have americans payroll but they worked with what they had and innovated and produced just as good products as we did when we spent trillions of bucks.

thats what texas and this country needs to do

it aint all about the benjamins its all about teaching about the benjamin so to speak
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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And if we don't pay people to teach who is going to? No one is arguing that education needs fixing. What the issue is under funding it won't improve anything. What are you going to privatize it so those 47 million working poor can't afford to send their kids to school?

I love how you seem to use Russia as a corner stone of how to do things right when it fits the agenda but attack socialism when it doesn't. Funny how it always works this way for the NeoCons.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot
Go watch Idiocracy. A great and apparently well informed movie that was able to see the future of America.


Thats actually one of my favorite movies. This movie shows just how the federal government front will get so out of control with taxing and spending that it will swallow the last vestiges of private property and enterprise. We will have the armed forces and police brigades rolling along the streets. Constitutional or not. But I fail to see how this movie backs up your arguement.

One of my favorite lines from the movie: "Welcome to AOL Time Warner Taco Bell US Government Long Distance. Please say the name of the person you wish to call".
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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the public model of the education system in american is broke and there is already a working model and that is by the private sector.

its a fact private schools produce smarter kids and that are more successful.


whats the big deal with russia it doesnt take billions of dollars to produce something especially when it comes to taxpayer dime footing the bill and producing morons.

i am really getting tired of people twist posts to suit their own agenda.

and dude you dont even know what the word neocon means not one person who has ever called me that has ever gotten it right yet.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by LexiconRiot
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And if we don't pay people to teach who is going to? No one is arguing that education needs fixing. What the issue is under funding it won't improve anything. What are you going to privatize it so those 47 million working poor can't afford to send their kids to school?

I love how you seem to use Russia as a corner stone of how to do things right when it fits the agenda but attack socialism when it doesn't. Funny how it always works this way for the NeoCons.


Private schools seem to have no trouble recruiting great teachers. Like I said before they are able to provide a higher standard of education for HALF the price.

For the 47 million working poor I have no problem giving them vouchers.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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I assume those vouchers will look like a Pell Grant. Interestingly enough every time they raise the amount of money a Pell Grant gives you also will see a proportionate amount in tuition raise.

I would prefer more "morons" than the amount of completely uneducated people a solely private education system would produce for lack of affordable education. This model doesn't work for healthcare and it wont work for education. There needs to be a government run option for those who cant afford private.







 
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