Extent of the Sexualisation of Women

Originally posted by boncho

Riddle me this Batman:

If the Media is all the cause of these things you speak of, surely then these problems will be non-existent in countries that do not have the same Media standards?

Look Riddler, "media" is a word. It means "mode of communication". It comes from Latin. It's the plural form of the word "medium".

Name one nation on Earth that doesn't have a mode of communication? Good luck.

reply to post by TechUnique


You know it's gotten bad when you can't tell who the prostitutes are!The way woman dress now,KIDS even!

It all starts from watching Disney movies when you're a kid.They fill your head with sexual images so it sticks in your head and makes you think about it!

Ever hear the saying "monkey see monkey do"?In most movies woman are always portrayed like they have to be slutty looking.Little girls see this and think that,that's how they're suppose to be!Then you have top music artists that our kids watch and listen to.They look up to these artists because they make good music(well some do lol).But then our kids see these music videos where these music artists dress and act slutty and think that's how woman are suppose to be!

It makes me sick why the industry can do this.Times have changed for the worse it seems.

^ guess what joker - GOD DID THIS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's right he's either all powerful, all knowing or he's not - you can't just say it's his way when it suits your personal beliefs.

the day men stop being proud of there lust for the opposite sex is the day we replace them with robots. there are two different sexs for a very important reason, one to get us to the moon and another to stop us from nuking our selves to hell - checks and balances.

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Men like looking at women's bums and believe it or not but women also like looking at men's bums

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Denco

 

Heels, underwires, thongs, pants so tight they leave marks on your skin, my tubs of beauty supplies, grumpily dieting and exercising, hours spent to make myself look halfway decent... all gone. It would be liberating! But would I ever find a man who thought I was good or pretty enough? Probably not.

There are plenty of women that don't fit into the perceived standard that are incredibly confident, sexy and secure in themselves.

The issues you speak of sound like a self image problem and personally I think that comes from childhood and the relationship people have with their parents, (+other relationships) as opposed to the influence of mass media.

It is a case of looking at the side-effects instead of the problem IMO.

You are exactly right... self image problems caused by other relationships with MEN who "let me know" that I should wear my hair straight, that I should dress sexier, lose weight (I'm 5'6" at 125 pounds. WTF?) the list goes on. I realize I'm derailing the thread a tiny bit, but it's all in context.
I get it that I probably won't find Mr. Right if I'm not being myself. But when I use to be myself, I would get told to be someone else. And this wasn't just one or two men. It has been the majority that I've dated. I've yet to find a guy who doesn't have something critical to say about the way I look.
I hope to one day find a man who accepts me for me. Curly hair, freckles and all. But until I do, I can't help but have MY own stereotypes regarding men and the fact that they all want a supermodel girlfriend/wife and they don't realize that we aren't perfect like the media portrays women to be.

Originally posted by Denco
You are exactly right... self image problems caused by other relationships with MEN who "let me know" that I should wear my hair straight, that I should dress sexier, lose weight (I'm 5'6" at 125 pounds. WTF?) the list goes on. I realize I'm derailing the thread a tiny bit, but it's all in context.
I get it that I probably won't find Mr. Right if I'm not being myself. But when I use to be myself, I would get told to be someone else. And this wasn't just one or two men. It has been the majority that I've dated. I've yet to find a guy who doesn't have something critical to say about the way I look.
I hope to one day find a man who accepts me for me. Curly hair, freckles and all. But until I do, I can't help but have MY own stereotypes regarding men and the fact that they all want a supermodel girlfriend/wife and they don't realize that we aren't perfect like the media portrays women to be.

That's not true, any man who will be your "number one" will love you for who you are including your looks. Any other fella who say's opposite isn't a true man, any chap can stare at a picture perfect supermodel and believe he has the ability to pull her, the reality is that said male in question is probably as shallow as a puddle and said women even more so.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Is the conspiracy the over sexualization of females in media? I don't ee a conspiracy, men like to think about sex. It is their nature, and quite normal and healthy even. Nothing is wrong with thinking about sex. It is hard wired in men's brains.

Let me now share a secret with you. I am female, and guess what? I think about sex too, when I watch men on tv and movies. Most if not all women have sexual thoughts too. It is debateable whether or not men or women actually think about it more often, as women are far less likely to actually admit they too think about sexing men uo when they see them on the movies and tv.

you know, if women had better communication skills, everyone would be getting laid a lot more often.
shame on you.

Originally posted by network dude
you know, if women had better communication skills, everyone would be getting laid a lot more often.
shame on you.

My missus usually doesn't say much (the handcuffs to the radiator and gag don't help)

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We're just made that way. You're giving this way too much thought. Why do humans start wars? Is it because they played too much first person shooters at a young age? Well seeing as how games have only been in existence for a couple of decades and wars have been going on since the dawn of humanity, I'd venture to say no. Was there commercials of attractive women 3,000 years ago? No. Did men still think about having sex with most women they came across? Very likely.

they media corporations are simply trying to get more viewers but i have to admit it makes me feel weirdly less of a person when they try to hook me in using a hot chick , seemingly thinking if they give the caveman a nice face to look at he wont give a # how sh!tty the news is

Originally posted by Seektruthalways1

If you understand my point, believing in a Creator and purpose to life makes this OP relevant! But if you believe we came from an explosion of nothing, that no one has been able to reproduce in the lab, and claim we came from monkeys or whatever new theory is being cooked up these days, then this issue is meaningless.

According to non-Creationists, why care about anything cause your here for so many years and POOF your gone. Makes you feel great doesnt it?

Well I'm not saying everyone shouldn't familiarize themselves with their own inner soul/humanity, and use that as a guide,

but religion basically invented sexism so I'd get off your high horse.

reply to post by Denco

self image problems caused by other relationships with MEN who "let me know" that I should wear my hair straight, that I should dress sexier, lose weight.... .....But when I use to be myself, I would get told to be someone else. And this wasn't just one or two men. It has been the majority that I've dated. I've yet to find a guy who doesn't have something critical to say about the way I look.

Sounds like you need to either change the types of guys you pursue for relationships, or stop caring what they think. (Possibly reversing the onus onto them).

"My hair is curly?"

"Your shoes are scuffed and you haven't shave this morning...."

etc, etc, etc.

Also take into account that many people use superficial arguments because they are unwilling open communication about other issues.

Because you feel appearance dictates your relationships it does. A common mistake among people is taking things at face value, these guys may have been pointing out physical and superficial attributes, but it is quite possible they were telling you something different entirely.

A lot of people use those things because they are afraid to say what really bothers them, i.e. You are: Annoying, Nagging, Boring, Depressing, Spastic, Irritating, etc. (Note* I am not calling you any of these things.)

reply to post by GodIsPissed

You know it's gotten bad when you can't tell who the prostitutes are!The way woman dress now,KIDS even!

It all starts from watching Disney movies when you're a kid.They fill your head with sexual images so it sticks in your head and makes you think about it!

Ever hear the saying "monkey see monkey do"?In most movies woman are always portrayed like they have to be slutty looking.Little girls see this and think that,that's how they're suppose to be!

If only all the women wore things to cover themselves to protect the innocence of the youth right?

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I get the strange feeling they already tried this somewhere...

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by TechUnique

 

You know it's gotten bad when you can't tell who the prostitutes are!The way woman dress now,KIDS even!

It all starts from watching Disney movies when you're a kid.They fill your head with sexual images so it sticks in your head and makes you think about it!

God definitely is pissed here, without becoming too intimate or descriptive, I've had some odd sexual thoughts in the past.

But Disney characters dressing sexually?

reply to post by muzzleflash

Look Riddler, "media" is a word. It means "mode of communication". It comes from Latin. It's the plural form of the word "medium".

Name one nation on Earth that doesn't have a mode of communication? Good luck.

 

We should re-read my post:

Post by Boncho
If the Media is all the cause of these things you speak of, surely then these problems will be non-existent in countries that do not have the same Media standards?

What are standards? And which ones was I referring to?

Standards organization, an entity primarily concerned with maintaining standards

De facto standard, product or system with market dominance

More:

In social sciences, including economics, the idea of standardization is close to the solution for a coordination problem, a situation in which all parties can realize mutual gains, but only by making mutually consistent decisions. Standardization is defined as best technical application consentual wisdom inclusive of processes for selection in making appropriate choices for ratification coupled with consistent decisions for maintaining obtained standards. This view includes the case of "spontaneous standardization processes", to produce de facto standards.

My implied intent of the word, "Media"

Media (communication), tools used to store and deliver information or data

Advertising media, various media, content, buying and placement for advertising
Broadcast media, communications delivered over mass electronic communication networks
Digital media, electronic media used to store, transmit, and receive digitized information
Electronic media, communications delivered via electronic or electromechanical energy
Hypermedia, media with hyperlinks
Mass media, all means of mass communications
Multimedia, communications that incorporate multiple forms of information content and processing
New media, a broad term encompassing the amalgamation of traditional media with the interactive power of computer and communications technology
News media, mass media focused on communicating news
News media (United States), the news media of the United States of America
Print media, communications delivered via paper or canvas
Published media, any media made available to the public
Recording media, devices used to store information
Social media, media disseminated through social interaction
MEDIA Programme, a European Union initiative to support the European audiovisual sector

The Media Standards Trust represents what I mean a little.

Although they are more focused on journalism.


I suppose to be clearer I could have said countries with Media Regulations that are opposite to our own:

ex.

In jurisdictions that heavily restrict access or outright ban pornography, various attempts have been made to prevent access to pornographic content. The mandating of Internet filters to try preventing access to porn sites has been used in some nations such as China and Saudi Arabia.

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Anecdotal evidence of censorship in Saudi Arabia via Yahoo Answers

More on Saudi Arabia:

Public cinemas have been illegal since the 1980s when conservative clerics deemed cinemas to be a waste of time and a corrupt influence. In 2007, permission was granted to two hotels to screen American children's films, to celebrate the end of the Holy Ramadan. That following year the first Saudi film festival took place

Saudi and foreign newspapers and magazines, including advertising, are strictly controlled by censorship officials, to remove content that is offensive. Newspapers and magazines must not offend or criticize the royal family, respected government officials, Arab culture or Islamic morality.

Censorship of foreign newspapers and magazines tends to focus on content of sexual nature. Nudity and pornography are illegal in the kingdom and this can extend to inking out public displays or affection, the uncovered arms and legs of women or anything deemed to be promoting sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication or homosexuality.

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So, now that we got that whole misunderstanding cleared up.... How's that working out for them?

While it's obviously natural for men and women to have sexual urges, fantasies etc, (and even more so when the hormones are raging), the objectification of women in the media and just the over sexualization of everything, I feel, trains the brain to stay locked into that primal base level. Rather than using all of our conscious and emotional levels to understand and experience relationship with another individual, we sit there in front of the tv in a stupefying bath of cortisol, lowering our IQ and, having sex sex and more sex loaded into our brains. Over sexualization is like junk food, sure it tastes good but it lacks substance, nutritional value, is addictive, and in the long run leaves you empty and malnourished.

If too much sex is on the brain and wild fantasies are a regular focus, it's sounds like the t.v needs to be shut off, and the rest of your mental and emotional being needs to be stimulated.

I absolutely think there is a conspiracy to objectify women, keeping men locked into satisfying that desire and women focused on meeting that desire. If you keep people focused on and locked into the physicality of our existence and believing that's where satisfaction is derived from, they won't have the time or the desire to reach for anything higher emotionally, consciously, spiritually.....

reply to post by TechUnique

I think I will need to see some screen shots from the part of the movie in question to make any kind of informed decision here.

And yes, people do think about sex, both genders. Let's not tell everyone though, the fundies might ban thought!

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It's because society abandoned shock, and now people just don't feel restraint anymore. We know, out of common sense, that we must have restraint, but the media would have you otherwise.

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I totally agree with everything you said. I think some of the current generation have completely lost the plot. There's no excuse for rape, but how can a girl respect herself and yet walk down a street with barely any clothes on with the words,"I'm a slut and proud of it written across her chest".

Slutwalk March. Like you said narcissism, immaturity and completely irresponsible. Imagine if a male teacher adopted the same mentality and decided he could wear whatever he wants and goes to school wearing some bondage outfit. I think this is a case where the female ego is completely in your face and out of control.

Demonstrations around the world just because one Toronto police officer caused outrage by stating that 'women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised' during a speech to university students.Talk about overkill.






www.metro.co.uk...

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I have to admit I was disgusted at myself when watching a film earlier. A woman was crawling along the floor, tense scene, guy with a chainsaw about to kill her and everything. I noticed that I couldn't stop looking at her behind and even found myself fantasising about having sex with this person I'm never going to meet.

Congrats! You're a guy!
Seriously, you know it's fiction, which is why you can detach from it, and instead, enjoy the scenery. You think women don't see guys in movies or TV and think the same thing? I know what my wife is thinking about Eric when she watches True Blood (and there isn't a pure thought in her head then...I guarantee it)...

But that's not all I noticed. I also noticed that I along with most males think like this all the time. ALL THE TIME. Now If you are male and you reply saying this makes me a disgusting person then look in the mirror because this is what the majority of males are like.

Why is the world like this?

It's called BIOLOGY. Try as we may, we are still biologically animals. Sure, our intellect allows us greater control than an animal, but that drive, etc. is genetically programmed into you, so don't feel as if it's "sinful" to lust, etc. Females are the same way too, they are just more selective, and better at hiding it, and most genuinely don't think about it as much. Also, this changes with age. I think about sex WAY less than I did in my 20's, for example.

This is all due to the thorough objectification of women through the media and even partly due to the principles of archaic religion. It has been programmed into our heads. Women are objects. Women are good for nothing except sex.

Bull, it isn't the media's fault. Men lusted after women WAY before that. Ever hear about Roman orgies? No "media" to blame then.

When you see a woman on T.V is she 'Physically unattractive' ? Usually not. But guys? They can be the ugliest people going and still represent a corporation or media outlet on T.V.

Sex sells to guys. Women are sold on more subtle characteristics, most of the time. Depends on the product (but sex will ALWAYS sell to guys).

Don't think that because I can't help staring at women with a gormless expression that I have no respect for women. That is far from the case.

The problem is that you SEE it as dirty, that you desire them. My guess is you're fairly young, so it's probably pretty overwhelming right now. It gets a LOT easier to deal with, with age.

Women have to deal with periods and childbirth bro. That stuff is not for me.

They are biologically equipped to deal with it, we aren't. Yes, they have to deal with it, but we will also never know the joy of bringing life into this world, at least not on the same level as they do. It's a trade-off (but one I'm glad to give).