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Extent of the Sexualisation of Women

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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Just to make it easier for people HarmonicNights the stats on fatherless children are found in this POST by sonnny1




posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Nice post, and I have to agree with you, but I still think there's something with the whole media/sex/brainwashing conspiracy going on, not necessarily the way the OP may imply, but indeed in some way.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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I wasn't talking about divorce. I mentioned the instance of casual sex, that is hooking up with a complete stranger or simple acquaintance just for "fun".

But you're not seeing the bigger picture here. The whole "progressive" movement in the 60's not only promoted casual sex, but recklessness of all kinds and disregard for personal responsibility and maturity. That's another reason the divorce rate is so high- because of narcissism and immaturity. It has not been healthy for our society at all. People now wish to indulge in constant, reckless pleasure seeking with no intent of ever growing up. It seems the age for becoming a mature adult keeps getting postponed to a later and later age as time goes on.
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In short, the collective mentality has shifted to a much more child-like state.
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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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I'd like to reiterate a point from my OP.



I also noticed that I along with most males think like this all the time. ALL THE TIME.


Including inappropriate times and places. This can lead to unnatural sexual behaviour and attitude ultimately having negative effects.

I was never once trying to imply that having sexual urges was unnatural. It was the all the time part I was focusing on. Including bad times, bad situations and in bad context. It turns sex into a packaged, artificial act instead of a natural life giving act. This has bad consequences for society but obviously makes more money for anyone who sells using sex as a motive for buying.

Sorry for any misunderstanding... this thread has been overrun with counter production because of my failure to clarify myself properly. I tried in later posts but hopefully this one will suffice...

Maybe the repeated comments that are anything like "Dude sex is natural...duh" can stop now we've cleared that up...
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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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While males would still have a strong sex drive without pornography and constant sexual images in the media, I agree that these things definitely create more sexual tension and disregard for women as anything other than a sexual plaything, especially for the males who will grow up as this being the norm from the time they were born.

I think it's obvious that the cheapening of women's sexuality and sex in general is being used as a tool to degenerate society.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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Staring at womens behinds is just a habit , after you reach a certain age you have seen the best the worst of them, it actually becomes boring.
Its crazy to judge a woman by her ass,and thats what we sometimes do.
Women know that and if they are honest they judge men by their lokks their ass too.
But it is ultimately an illusion, all our asses get ugly once we get old, but by then we don't care?
I would rather have a woman with a good heart and a huge ass, than a woman with a movie stars ass and a heart of stone, having a woman with both is a bonus, but in the end you will only remember her , not her ass , if you love her.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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I have all the respect in the world for women..I really do.

However, I do want to sleep with most of them. Just not the Ugly ones.


We are men, we are simple. A nice view and we concoct all manner of things in our minds.

Women are simply to good to resist fantasizing about all day long.

Again, except the ugly ones and they know who they are!!



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by TechUnique
I'll try to keep this short..

I have to admit I was disgusted at myself when watching a film earlier. A woman was crawling along the floor, tense scene, guy with a chainsaw about to kill her and everything. I noticed that I couldn't stop looking at her behind and even found myself fantasising about having sex with this person I'm never going to meet.

But that's not all I noticed. I also noticed that I along with most males think like this all the time. ALL THE TIME. Now If you are male and you reply saying this makes me a disgusting person then look in the mirror because this is what the majority of males are like.


This may surprise you; it's not because you have a penis. it's because the movie in question is deliberately sexualizing the woman in this scenario. It's actually pretty staple in horror and thrillers; the women victims are heavily sexualised. Whether overtly like Paris Hilton's "death by steel blowjob" in the House of Wax remake (even the lead female's brother seemed to be gunning for her in that one. That movie was a;most porn) all the way to a more removed sexualization of Clarice Starling in Silence of the Lambs; while not portrayed as a sex vehicle to the audience, it's made abundantly clear that most of the cast of villains wants to throw her down and have their way with her.

In the example you cite, I'm willing to bet the movie had already spent time inuring you to the concept of the women in question as a sex object; whether she's the "slutty bad girl" doomed to die, or the "virginal good girl" who's going to be the last one standing at the end, the focus is what's between her legs. In the particular scene, I'm willing to bet there was plenty of view of her butt; adding sexuality to the mix prior to the "kill" gives the scene that much more adrenaline-pumping power, and is another common tactic (remember Jason, under the bed with an arrow?)


This is all due to the thorough objectification of women through the media and even partly due to the principles of archaic religion. It has been programmed into our heads. Women are objects. Women are good for nothing except sex.

When you see a woman on T.V is she 'Physically unattractive' ? Usually not. But guys? They can be the ugliest people going and still represent a corporation or media outlet on T.V.


Not quite - women are portrayed as being good for proving your masculinity in other ways; the traditional "damsel in distress" motiff. They can also be good catalysts for tragic personal story arcs (the "Girl in the fridge" trope). it's not always about sex (though sex is easiest to capitalize on). The bigger thing is simply that in all sorts of media, women are shown as people to whom things happen, rather than as people who make things happen. Those few examples otherwise are often either written as men-with-breasts (the True Grit remake, where Mattie Ross has all the femininity of a cinder block) or as heavily, heavily sexualized violence-vehicles (Suckerpunch, the Resident Evil series)

It may have been programmed into your head, but once you notice it, it's pretty easy to either avoid or step over. Awareness is the important thing here.


Don't think that because I can't help staring at women with a gormless expression that I have no respect for women. That is far from the case.

Women have to deal with periods and childbirth bro. That stuff is not for me.


Well, those are two pretty shallow reasons for respecting women ("I respect Chinese people because, boy, they sure can pull a rickshaw!") I suspect you're being facetious


Just remember the three-second rule when staring. Your eyes may wander, but every three seconds, make sure you're looking somewhere north of the collarbones for at least three more seconds.


www.feministfrequency.com... might be an interesting site to peruse through, if the subject interests you further.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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I agree with your post entirely! I can't believe I didn't clock on to the sexual suggestion in and around that scene consciously, I'm usually quite aware of those things. Apparently this time only my genitalia were aware of what was happening.


The over-saturation of sex in the media really does go a long way, that was the point of this thread. Understanding ways in which this over-saturation has effected, to full extent, the sexualisation of women as a whole.

Most of the first 3-4 pages of this thread have been very tiring..

Starred and thanks for contributing.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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So your saying all males watching a girl about to be killed by a chainsaw weilded by a man have sexual fantasies about the girl?

Your wrong and have a real problem. I suggest councelling, I really do.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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I particularly think we are being programmed to place women above men. They're being exposed in the media and ads in the form of Goddesses of Beauty we should worship...

I feel so tired of that. Sexuality is our gate to animalism.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Honestly, this whole thing seems like over-thinking and over-analyzing a normal, natural instinctual drive that has existed in humanity for tens of thousands of years.

Far as the whole media conspiracy thing, who do you think is making the stuff? Robots? It's made by the same human beings with the same drives and urges as we have and have had for the existence of our species.
A suit,a tie and a pocket full of money doesn't change what they are.
If anything, as society is much less conservative than it was during televisions inception, it's only natural that the content itself would eventually reflect those changes.

It's not as if Ed Sullivan and Leave it to Beaver could have remained the broadcast standard forever.

Not everything about us in our lives require therapy, a mid-life crisis and a prescription of pills.
Sometimes, things just are because that is just what and who we are.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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I think women also use this to their advantage...The women know they're being sexualized and they're making a lot of money because they know how to play it. It goes both ways really.

I don't ever remember seeing my favorite brand of cereal sexualized though...but it may happen in the future. Idiocracy is in full gear.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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Maybe you should have used another example, such as female news anchors who keep unbuttoning that shirt until we end up with women stripping while reading the news or having full on bukkake.

Now where it gets complicated.

I do have a problem with the objectification of women but I also respect personal freedom. If a women wants to use their body to advance their careers or to pick up men then I see nothing wrong with it but this person should be aware of the repercussions. If she chooses to dress sexy then she does become an object of desire, if she picks up men with her body they'll be less likely to respect their mind and if she gets facials from 100 different guys she'll be seen as a slut. However, this affects all of women in general, even those who do not wish to be objectified, at this point I think it is up to these women to make their stand and fight for awareness.

And I don't think such behavior is abnormal since no horror movie is complete without some sex and naked hot chicks and I do think most guys are aroused by that. Well, at least until they get ripped apart limb from limb that is.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Nosred
Men are interested in women sexually? When did this happen?




The day the X and Y chromosome appeared hundreds millions of years ago when we were fish
(oh God I'm sure I'll get pelters for that statement from the creationists).The sexual desire appeared when it became necessary to breed the strongest for survival long long long before we became self aware creatures. Hence the attraction of boobs and bums, pure jungle instinct embedded in our brains from long before we could talk to one another. It's civilisation that keeps us in check and stops us from attempting to mate with fertile females whenever we see them! (although some guys still do !!!!!!!!!!!!).

Civilisation has a far far far shorter period of development than evolution. Hence why our jungle instincts still prevail. Smart people (men and women) know this.......Some use it to their advantage.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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This kind of stuff irritates me. What is a girl to do? If she is too "prude" then she doesn't stand a chance. If she is too "sexy" then she doesn't get any respect. Yeah... I know we need to find a happy medium. And I know that there are good guys out there and we need to hold out for one. I know we need to be confident because that's what supposedly attracts the good guys. But how is a girl who is past her "prime" suppose to be confident when society is relaying the message that younger and sexier is the way to be?
If I was just to be myself how I wanted to be... I wouldn't straighten my very curly hair. I wouldn't really wear makeup because I feel that I look better without it. I wouldn't wear these horrible underwire "wonder" bras. I would NEVER EVER EVER wear a thong again!! I would wear sweat pants or running shorts everyday and a t-shirt/sweatshirt. Heels, underwires, thongs, pants so tight they leave marks on your skin, my tubs of beauty supplies, grumpily dieting and exercising, hours spent to make myself look halfway decent... all gone. It would be liberating! But would I ever find a man who thought I was good or pretty enough? Probably not.
The men who DO look at who a woman is on the inside are very far and few between. Yes, they exist. But there aren't enough of them.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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And I know that there are good guys out there and we need to hold out for one. I know we need to be confident because that's what supposedly attracts the good guys.


Here is a common misconception. Have you heard the expression "the woman makes the man". There are no "good guys out there" just as there are no "good girls out there".

There is simply guys and girls and both have the potential of being good, bad, great, awful. How you interact with the people you are involved with will determine how they are and how they act with you. You are responsible for the relationships around you.

And that includes holding people to their word, ensuring they follow through with what they say, making them happy, encouraging them, etc, etc, etc.

And try to do all these things in the non-crazy way. That's life.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Heels, underwires, thongs, pants so tight they leave marks on your skin, my tubs of beauty supplies, grumpily dieting and exercising, hours spent to make myself look halfway decent... all gone. It would be liberating! But would I ever find a man who thought I was good or pretty enough? Probably not.


There are plenty of women that don't fit into the perceived standard that are incredibly confident, sexy and secure in themselves.

The issues you speak of sound like a self image problem and personally I think that comes from childhood and the relationship people have with their parents, (+other relationships) as opposed to the influence of mass media.

It is a case of looking at the side-effects instead of the problem IMO.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Wow...that's the first time I ever heard a lustbucket blame God for his sinful nature...

By the way, the Bible teaches that a man is to love his wife as himself and to put her needs ahead of his own...just sayin'...



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
Wow...that's the first time I ever heard a lustbucket blame God for his sinful nature...

By the way, the Bible teaches that a man is to love his wife as himself and to put her needs ahead of his own...just sayin'...


Ah, good ole Bible references about women:



And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
Leviticus 21:9




11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12



"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go."
Judges 19:24-25


Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
to be under obedience, as also saith the law.]1 Corinthians 14:34



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