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True or False, 9/11 was an Satanic ritual sacrifice to Lucifer?

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 


Yea, your logic on Christianity, not your logic on the true followers of God. Where in the Bible does it say Christianity is the true church? NOWHERE. It says those who keep the laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus are His true church.




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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whenever I see the devil or reptiles, I always come back to the same thought. it's simple blame shifting. I think people have a hard time grasping that someone could want to kill thousands ( or millions) or people.

yet that is part of humanity, I am sad to say

if you believe UBL did it to provoke the US to attack saudi arabia (which is why he recruited Saudi's for the mission) or the US did it for the oil, you have people killing people

I don't personally see why you have to shift blame

let it lie where it belongs, greedy evil men



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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We will never know all the facts about what happened that day.. not until we get an investigation going. If the towers hadn't supposedly "fell", we might had more to go on.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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People have looked into it since this things started. Its pretty clear its a US Conspiracy.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by ObvTruth
reply to post by HolyandClean
 


People have looked into it since this things started. Its pretty clear its a US Conspiracy.


Yes. It may be a conspiracy, but what really happened? We will never really know..

Enlighten me, what do you think happened?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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First we have no proof about the events on 911. Too many CT's created to corrupt any search for truth. I personally believe it is far different than any CT's we see or read about, especially the BS from MSM. Please watch the videos I posted on page four and five. This guy who made the videos goes deep into the esoteric meanings behind the Ritual. Papa Bush called for the NWO on Sept 11, 1990 and his son brought in the many changes that must pass before the NWO is in.

I personally feel we are being mislead. The NWO is going to be great. The Truth will be known. We are beginning to see a major awakening. Many people feel it. Bush and the entire Illuminati have a job to do before we can be free. We are at an end of an era. Basically we are approaching our Armegeddon. All empires who become corrupt must face an Armageddon. Every Alcoholic or drug addict must face an Armageddon in their lives. Nature will always win. Nature will pull everyone back in line but in order to do this we must see a cleansing. The truth will set us free.

Do not allow fear to control us. Remember Lucifer must be Present in order to have Jesus. Some say they are the same person. I say two sides of a coin. Why are so many people afraid to die? Isnt dying part of life? I believe personally we are just in one stage of our journey. Many believe in Aliens. Ask yourself how did they become known as Aliens and who made them? I suspect they are just another life form created in a dimension or area we do not know about personally. After watching the videos please tell me what you think.

The Illuminati appear evil because that is their job. I would guess that if you could talk to any high level member you would find out they are much different than we can imagine. We only see the way they mold the earth. The Light will shine in the End. Their job is to make the light appear. Remember the old saying Order out of Chaos?

I could be very wrong but that is just my thoughts for this week. I may change my mind next week but for now that is how I few these events we are currently discussing.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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etc....



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Watching it now. Appreciate that.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


NO. The NIV tried to make Jesus Lucifer, but they failed, because we still have the KJV, and that will only be the true Word of God as long as this earth remains.


What about the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Please watch the videos by Seallion who created many videos about 911 and the hidden meaning. He is on Youtube. After that I suggest you watch the series by Manly P. Hall. All his videos are great. The man had wisdom beyond his years. BTW he passed away years ago.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Well now, hold up a second, OP.
There's human sacrifice in the bible to the God of the old testament.
And Christians base their religion on a horrific ritual Deicide.
Which they then consume on a weekly basis.
I've heard so many Christians say things like,

"Be washed clean in the blood of the lamb."
and
"He was our sacrificial lamb."

And it doesn't occur to them how disgusting, horrific and blasphemous that is.

No.

But they can't wait to tell everyone how sick those Luciferians are



edit on 17-6-2011 by CodyOutlaw because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


Lol, you have no idea who I am, and stop trying to act like you do,

Correct, I don't. not personally anyhow, but I know "your type".


lil boy.

Yep, called it.
Insulting = feeling of unstable ground in your own debate. If you have to resort to minimizing the person your talking to in order to feel equal in a discussion, well..you sort of lost your footing..but I will continue responding, if only for others benefits (and star mining)


God doesn't purpose for people to burn in the lake of fire, the lake of fire is going to be created for Satan and his angels, and some men are going in with them.

Pity God is powerless to stop it


Would God be a righteous judge if he let every wicked person into the kingdom?

Nope


OF COURSE NOT.

Agreed, because then he would still have the issues of angels and other people in the eternal torture thingie.
Assuming of course they must remain there verses return..I assume we are going by the forever away from god premise as a hard rule and not a choice.

So ya, it STILL wouldn't be a rightous job to only allow all humans in heaven..it must be open to absolutely all life, or he is a total hypocrite..and a vindictive baby.


You just want the easy way in, and it's not going to happen.

If there is a biblical heaven, I wouldn't want to be there...I dont reckon anyone interesting is there to begin with.
I will be in hell with gandhi, morrison, monroe, socrates, etc...you know...interesting people.
You gotta put up with a bunch of really crappy fundys and a baby deity for eternity in heaven as your only company


You are going to have to come through Jesus Christ, or no way at all.

Sounds a bit iconic to me...through a physical representation..a single lifetime...a confined and singular example of a limited deity.
ya...not really into totem worship personally, but hey, if it works for you.
I will use the (supposed) teachings of christ to influence parts of my life if I personally deem them worthy, same with any other person that has added wisdom through the ages.
If that works, great...if it doesn't, well, no worries, not a place I want to be (I get annoyed by arrogance fairly easily..which is I suppose ironic considering I am a bit arrogant...but it at least allows me to identify the trait easier.
Not to say Christ was totally arrogant...seems like a nice enough chap really..but his "fans" are ultra arrogant)


You are going to have to keep God's laws, statutes, commandments, holy days, and the faith in Jesus. You must be baptized in Jesus Christ name after the age of 20.

Sounds ritualistic..holy days...yes, well, sadly, I can't take off every saturday. I am sure god will understand...you know, he is a deity after all..sometimes you must work.
Laws...well, christ said love myself (check), love neighbors (...sorta check-ish). Love God (point of debate requiring a definition of god...if god = all things, universe, etc...then check).
statutes? heh...since when did god become a litigator....nonsense...thats a bunch of goat herders babblefest...but if thats the case, well, I have eaten shellfish and pork before..so meh,
Hell clearly has a better banquet table.


Whoever goes into the lake of fire deserves it. Even me. Cause God is righteousness.

Not a single conscious entity deserves eternal torture...and your talking to someone whom has had his brother murdered...I would be willing to bet I know a lot more about vendetta than you firsthand.

But, perhaps that is how your deity thinks...

I have forgiven the person whom murdered my brother. That clearly gives me a more rightous moral high ground than your deity...but not to worry, I won't judge your deity as deserving eternal torture...might however send him to earth with a totally blanked out mind and forced to live life as a actual human to understand...clearly it simply doesn't understand...probably never had good parental guidance and is now like a spoiled bastard king or something.


God can send evil upon you, if you are not careful.


Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors; sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors as an act of kindness



Stop replying sentence by sentence, it's annoying. If you have a problem with God, then get off this thread. Nobody is forcing you to read what were are typing, are they? Alright then..



Thanks for the suggestion, however

The line by line thing is to make sure its addressing the points and it understood in context. Its a pretty common method of posting for maximum understanding of what your discussing.
Its not like you have said a single thing that requires only one subject to be addressed...if you make say, 5 different points, then a response divided up into 5 different replies is needed...its just easier to read and comprehend when the division is right after the specific line being responded to verses a giant mess at the end that a reader is unsure what is being responded to.

And, I have no issue with God...in the same way I have no issues with unicorns..I do however have some issues with fundamentalistm being used to debate a terrorist attack.

Fundamentalist religion CAUSED 9/11. the abrahamic god (followers of) hijacked airplanes and flew them into towers...and now these same tards are suggesting it was actually not them but rather boogiemen satanists.

As an atheist, I will hold to the fire the religious nuts that murder people, and people like you whom try to excuse and brush over their behavior by pretending it wasn't followers of your god in the first place, when it clearly was.
You are attempting to invite disinformation and dishonesty so you do not have to reflect on the absolute evil incarnations that religion (yet again) causes to all people.

So ya, I got a problem with it...if you want to talk about deitys and such...great...I will give you my speculation based on actions over words...if you suggest I go elsewhere because I may turn a light on and expose the hypocracy and murderous nature of fanatical religious individuals in society...well...too bad. Welcome to open forum. find a blog if you want no opposing view while your excuse murder.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
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Oh, Gee, A Freemason. Figures. We all know Freemasons secretly worship Lucifer, heck, EVEN ALBERT PIKE admitted it in his book Morals and Dogma.


I have known freemasons before
They do not worship lucifer.

"We all know"....please stop bearing false witness and trying to lump me in your endless lies...I know no such thing, and my experience is the opposite frankly.



Even if you are not a Freemason, you are still working for the Illuminati. Why don't you do yourself a favor, and leave, before I rebuke you with the scriptures.


lol...I find that part funny...to me it reads:
Please leave before I put up walls of bible passages that makes everyone bored and wander away verses discuss something rationally.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean

Originally posted by tonypazzohome
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haha we have, no one realizes it though.

and to answer your question, no this was not an offering to "Lucifer". please don't confuse Lucifer with Satan. Lucifer is Prometheus, he kindled the light in the dark. he stole knowledge from the gods and gave wisdom to man. he's not a bad guy, he just gets mixed up a lot.


Lucifer is SATAN THE DEVIL, and anyone who says different is his follower. See, you people can tell who is really tell who is working for the Illuminati when you involve religion. They show their true colors. Only New Agers and Freemasons claim Lucifer isn't Satan. You have just been exposed. GET OUT OF HERE.




Um...tony's right on this one, HC.
Satan and Lucifer were not originally, and are still NOT, the same thing.
Here is some wikipedian "evidence":

"Satan, "the accuser", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible. In Christianity and Islam the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels. From the fourth Century...

Lucifer is sometimes used in Christian theology to refer to Satan, as a result of identifying the fallen "son of the dawn" of Isaiah 14:12 with the "accuser" of other passages in the Old Testament."



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever
 


What's not to believe about it? Satanism is in just about everything we do daily. For example, the move "Harry Potter" makes children think it's ok to practice witchcraft. Those movies are VERY satanic!


Says the muggle.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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oh, you didn't know? 9/11 is one of the points in a HUGE pentagram that is to be finish by October. It's missing two or more points and they are to happen in the south.

The monument in NY commemorating the 9/11 incident is just a marker.

People question, why didn't the WTC get built up again? Easy, keep people in fear and the more negative energy is given off, giving others a lot of power.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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I would like to add another but this time its bin laden death ritual!



edit on 18-6-2011 by solid007 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Man, I must say I respect you.

Nevertheless I may remind you that because one executes an action in the name of God does not mean one has obeyed Him. Religion may be used only as a means to obtain something or for one's own benefit and not that of God or His Providence. You cannot blame the majority for the action of the minority. Though I think you understand this already, too.

Also, that website you showed me I do not necessarily accept because of the grammatical errors within it and I also do accept the current versions abounding, for it could only be claiming it is the most precise merely to gather readers. I have trust in my current version, it could be my ignorance but what you will.

I also do not like to recruit others to the cause of Christianity by mentioning Christ died for them (though I do believe it) upon the basis that one would accept only out of guilt and not of want.

I also think that in God's eternal Providence that He will not allow all to perish but that salvation is universal and for all which is why I interpret Revelation as more spiritual than physical. I am not completely sure how but I realize my wisdom cannot match God's and He will not allow anything to perish. I find life a dream and only temporary and not to be admired except that which exists out of the dream (truth).

I do not obey God out of fear for why should I fear Him? I find in Him only perfection and compassion and love. I seek righteousness as a means to approach His perfection and as a way for others to experience and find Him and His love.

I believe His commandments, statutes, and laws are only Him telling us how He has prepared and designed the universe so that we may most benefit and not feel the consequence of sin (by avoiding sin) but the effect of goodness (by practicing goodness).

I share this with you because I find you an educated man and wanting only the best for others but see the corruption of the outside and wish not to be with such vileness. This was also the case for me. But I hope I done somewhat well in explaining more of my position as a Christian though I doubt it will do much to change your mind about this subject. I see you are a good man. May God bless you, kind sir.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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edit on 18-6-2011 by cayao because: no need to start trouble...



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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well put.



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