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True or False, 9/11 was an Satanic ritual sacrifice to Lucifer?

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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Why is this new to me? interesting.

So, according to..well, you (interested in your citations), Lucifer is not satan, he is a totally different individual.
Incidently, Jesus isn't lucifer either..if I am reading you right.

However, Lucifer is Jesus fits a bit better imo, and of course satan being someone completely different.

Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Lucifer is the morning star. Jesus stated pretty clearly he is the morning star...I guess we should probably believe him.


aka, God and the Lord God (the two gods wandering around in the garden of eden..one being far more godlike, the lord god seeming to be a bit like a landlord). The question is, which is lucifer...the lord god, or god...and does lucifer/jesus have domain over the kingdom of heaven, or the kingdom of god...and which one effects us directly...

Also, Which one was running the garden of eden specifically, and which one was doing the other stuff (building the land of nod and the rest of the world)

Would be interested in reading a thread designed specifically for this topic actually..could be a interesting twist on a old story.




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by derst1988

Originally posted by Darth_Prime

Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever
 


What's not to believe about it? Satanism is in just about everything we do daily. For example, the move "Harry Potter" makes children think it's ok to practice witchcraft. Those movies are VERY satanic!


what is wrong about practicing 'Witchcraft'?

Isn't that 'Freedom Of Religion'?


Witchcraft? A religion? News to me. I always considered religion to be a word to describe a collective of spiritual beliefs, not being able to cast spells on others. Besides, even if it were a religion, itd be hard to practice some spells without infringing on other peoples rights. Big no-no, according to the constitution.


Wiccan is a religion that is (arguably) older than christianity.
Not in its present form...it is a offshoot of druidism...earth magicks type stuff.
duel deitys (sun and moon, male and female, common duality of nature representation).

As far as spell casting and magic..meh, just a different form of prayer and meditation...you pray for someone in modern day religions to design a specific outcome, back then, they would cast spells for a specific outcome...same thing, prayer requires less chicken bones and other components...aka, less ceremony..(and about as effective as prayer also from what I noted).

Although there are many branches of druidic style belief systems, the wiccans themselves do have a pretty solid structure and are in fact just as ritualistic and organized as any other religion out there, from holidays, holy days, specific forms of deitys, prayers, etc.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Darth_Prime

Originally posted by HolyandClean
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Everything is wrong with practicing witchcraft. You are messing with demon spirits when you practice it. You CANNOT trust those spirits. They only want the worst for us!

Don't get me wrong, I admire the constitution with all my heart. I believe that everyone should have rights and basic freedoms. That's just a given privilege.


Then along with 'Freedom Of Expression' and 'Freedom Of Religion' there is nothing wrong with 'Witchcraft', nor a movie that has 'Wizards' that commenced as adolescent literature

though if you personally choose not to follow 'The Craft' that is your personal choice and nothing wrong with it

besides, i doubt that Harry Potter was made for 'Witchcraft propaganda


Just because it's allowed doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. To take an example, you are permitted to paste your daughter's face on a porn photo. Just because you're allowed to do it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with doing it.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
Just because it's allowed doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. To take an example, you are permitted to paste your daughter's face on a porn photo. Just because you're allowed to do it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with doing it.


lol...did you just compare wiccan beliefs to insinuated child porn?

heh, you people...talk about desperate.

there is nothing wrong with having different beliefs...there is something wrong with saying thinking differently on spiritual stuff means you love child porn though...what sort of corrupted mind even thinks like that?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Well you have Prometheus he was the Titan god of forethought, the bringer of fire. Lucifer as Venus the Morning Star worshipped as a goddess. Jesus who says he is the Light, the Morning Star (or the light coming from the Morning Star as we know Venus has no light of its own, its reflected light yet born from Venus)... all are a confluence of ideas/metaphors used for understanding concepts that were ultimately unknown in that era. Forethought is a product of the cerebral cortex the 3rd layer of the brain above the mammalian and reptile layers. To understand the layers of the human brain and its function is an obvious advantage we have in this era, especially knowing where the God activated part of our brain is located and the dual functions of the pineal and other glands.

Yes you're right... a thread on its own is required for this topic.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by 547000
Just because it's allowed doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. To take an example, you are permitted to paste your daughter's face on a porn photo. Just because you're allowed to do it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with doing it.


lol...did you just compare wiccan beliefs to insinuated child porn?

heh, you people...talk about desperate.

there is nothing wrong with having different beliefs...there is something wrong with saying thinking differently on spiritual stuff means you love child porn though...what sort of corrupted mind even thinks like that?


Way to twist what I say. My point is just because it is permitted in society doesn't mean it is okay. That poster basically because they have the freedom to do it it's okay.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by 547000
Just because it's allowed doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. To take an example, you are permitted to paste your daughter's face on a porn photo. Just because you're allowed to do it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with doing it.


lol...did you just compare wiccan beliefs to insinuated child porn?

heh, you people...talk about desperate.

there is nothing wrong with having different beliefs...there is something wrong with saying thinking differently on spiritual stuff means you love child porn though...what sort of corrupted mind even thinks like that?


Way to twist what I say. My point is just because it is permitted in society doesn't mean it is okay. That poster basically because they have the freedom to do it it's okay.


Thats because..it is ok

ok, lets put this another way.
Its permitted for christians to practice their faith...its also permitted to fantasize about having intercourse with animals...just because things are permitted doesn't mean its healthy and should be done.

You...don't see a problem with how I phrased that?

I insinuated practicing christianity is akin to thinking about some tijuana pony show...
tisk tisk...



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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No, you're incorrect. It's allowed, but that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. You're allowed the right to your own property, but that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with hoarding it. What you're allowed to do and what you ought to do are very different things.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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So...lets simply go direct then...your attempting to play semantics...sometimes a direct shot is necessary.

Is there anything wrong with practicing wiccan/witchcraft then? Its established that its allowed...the question is, do you personally think its wrong, (and if so, why)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by 547000
 


So...lets simply go direct then...your attempting to play semantics...sometimes a direct shot is necessary.

Is there anything wrong with practicing wiccan/witchcraft then? Its established that its allowed...the question is, do you personally think its wrong, (and if so, why)


I think there is something wrong with it. First of all you're dabbling with things beyond your control. Secondly it can lead to damnation.

Maybe you need to read the original posts again to refresh your memory. I'll paraphrase.

HandC insinuated that witchcraft is bad.

Then the other poster said it isn't because it's permitted. Or that he has to accept it as okay because of freedom.

Then I said that just because it's permitted doesn't mean it's not bad. It can be bad and permitted at the same time.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by 547000
 


So...lets simply go direct then...your attempting to play semantics...sometimes a direct shot is necessary.

Is there anything wrong with practicing wiccan/witchcraft then? Its established that its allowed...the question is, do you personally think its wrong, (and if so, why)


I think there is something wrong with it. First of all you're dabbling with things beyond your control. Secondly it can lead to damnation.

Maybe you need to read the original posts again to refresh your memory. I'll paraphrase.

HandC insinuated that witchcraft is bad.

Then the other poster said it isn't because it's permitted. Or that he has to accept it as okay because of freedom.

Then I said that just because it's permitted doesn't mean it's not bad. It can be bad and permitted at the same time.
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No,I just wanted to call you on your wordplay to wiggle out of what your insinuation was.

You did compare practicing wicca to insinuation of incest and child porn...it wasn't twisting it...you weren't making some overall statement of how being allowed to do something is not the same as ok...you were directly attacking this with a incredibly wild and offensive comparison.

You then tried to pretend that wasn't your intent...but thanks for clearing that up...you clearly did mean to fully offend anyone not practicing your specific flavor of beliefs.

As far as my opinion on wiccan beliefs are concerned...well, the love of nature I am cool with, the duel deitys...metaphorically is a bit interesting, if common. but some actually believe in literal duel deitys that rule over the earth..and that is of course silly.

As far as the magic element is concerned...I have never seen any spell that worked that wasn't easily dismissed (and ya, I checked in on wicca during my younger years..)..but hey, they get something out of it..and it makes them happy.

Should a religion, cult, or anything of the like show me even remotely a bit of harry potter outcome, I will quickly convert to whatever system they have going (will still seek out the science behind it though)...
So far, I have seen nothing of the sort...only superstition and a misunderstanding of basic science.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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No real Satanist feels any obligation to engage in ritual human sacrifice. That's typical Bob Larson #-stirring for ya'. Going out into the woods, dressed in black robes, and chanting Latin passages while slitting a goat's throat: its Hollywood fiction. People seek out "Lucifer" as a source of knowledge and wisdom and a lot of "Satanists" don't even take him as a literal entity. They don't believe in murder as a means of accomplishing anything. Contrary to popular ignorance, Satanism is actually very Libertarian in nature and anti-fascist.

The terrorist attacks that occurred on 9/11 were in the name of Allah- not Satan. This is the dumbest # I've heard in a long time.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by 547000
 


So...lets simply go direct then...your attempting to play semantics...sometimes a direct shot is necessary.

Is there anything wrong with practicing wiccan/witchcraft then? Its established that its allowed...the question is, do you personally think its wrong, (and if so, why)


I think there is something wrong with it. First of all you're dabbling with things beyond your control. Secondly it can lead to damnation.

Maybe you need to read the original posts again to refresh your memory. I'll paraphrase.

HandC insinuated that witchcraft is bad.

Then the other poster said it isn't because it's permitted. Or that he has to accept it as okay because of freedom.

Then I said that just because it's permitted doesn't mean it's not bad. It can be bad and permitted at the same time.
edit on 17-6-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-6-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)


No,I just wanted to call you on your wordplay to wiggle out of what your insinuation was.

You did compare practicing wicca to insinuation of incest and child porn...it wasn't twisting it...you weren't making some overall statement of how being allowed to do something is not the same as ok...you were directly attacking this with a incredibly wild and offensive comparison.

You then tried to pretend that wasn't your intent...but thanks for clearing that up...you clearly did mean to fully offend anyone not practicing your specific flavor of beliefs.

As far as my opinion on wiccan beliefs are concerned...well, the love of nature I am cool with, the duel deitys...metaphorically is a bit interesting, if common. but some actually believe in literal duel deitys that rule over the earth..and that is of course silly.othing wrong with the father's actions. I used that example because it has be

As far as the magic element is concerned...I have never seen any spell that worked that wasn't easily dismissed (and ya, I checked in on wicca during my younger years..)..but hey, they get something out of it..and it makes them happy.

Should a religion, cult, or anything of the like show me even remotely a bit of harry potter outcome, I will quickly convert to whatever system they have going (will still seek out the science behind it though)...
So far, I have seen nothing of the sort...only superstition and a mis. Then I addstanding of basic science.
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No, I gave an example of something that is allowed and still deplorable. Just because it was permitted does not mean there's nothing bad/wrong about the father's actions. I chose that example because it was recently discussed on ATS and illustrates the point clearly. I added the right to private property example because you weren't understanding the point. It's not my problem you read in motivations that aren't there.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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There's about as much truth in 9/11 being about oil as the terrorist being responsible.

All religions are corrupt and so is science, so creationism and evolution are a false dichotomy.

Jesus was a real being but is not the person written about in the bible. To say he was misquoted is quite an understatement.

I am not at all religious. The OP talks about sacrifice to Lucifer, can he please explain to me why drinking the blood of Christ is not a vile and sick ritual meant to glorify the murder of Jesus?

''We eat his flesh and drink his blood'' and the symbol (crucifix) of he is not what he taught but how he died. ''he died for our sins'' no, the church is evil and simply can't get over how proud they are to have murdered the son of God, sent to help his brothers.

There is nothing holy and clean about the church, and the bible is nothing but deception and evil, veiled in basic morality so it appears to be wise and good.

I wouldn't wipe my arse with the bible and neither would Jesus.


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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Michelangelo
God in the OT was a dick. .


Yes!

This thread is truly hilarious and unbelievable to me that there are so many people so sure of what they believe. Absolutely staggering in the ignorance department.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Star and Flag... great thread! Satan is indeed controlling everything that is going on today on Earth. He is setting up the NWO and fullfiling what was written in the Book of Revelations. Yes there are human sacrifices happening around the world everyday for Satan and his followers believe this will get them a "pass" once he is in power. What they don't realize is he is already in power on Earth and his reign is quickly coming to an end and he knows it. That will not stop him from taking as many souls as he can with him, not to rule but to destruction. Even the devil himself and all his demons know what is coming and will confess Jesus as King!



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
It has been documented that even the FREEMASONS sacrifice their own brethren to appease the demon spirits. They kill them, and make it look like suicide, or natural causes.


Um, you wouldn't mind If I call you out on this statement would you?
I hate to stop such a wonderful idea and all.

The events of 9-11 leave enough unanswered questions for most that the official explanation has some lacking information, but to move from that to it had to be a sacrifice to Lucifer, mighty weak.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by daggyz
Not worthy of an answer


You aint worthy of breathin son



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Hopefully these videos will make a lightbulb go off. This was indeed a Ritual but it is what we thought? It was meant to be. It was planned from the beginning. Things are not what they appear in my opinion. Who actually controls us Humans? This guy has a series of great videos on this subject. This guy is very deep and he understands occult knowledge better than any other videos on 911.

Nothing happens by coincidence. After watching these videos and please watch all for much hidden info. I do not fear the NEW WORLD ORDER. Something tells me it is going to be Great although right now we are pushing through blood to get there. I believe in an afterlife. Our human body will go away but our souls will move on. This is just my opinion so dont hate me. We shall all know soon.









posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Buford2
Hopefully these videos will make a lightbulb go off. This was indeed a Ritual but it is what we thought? It was meant to be. It was planned from the beginning. Things are not what they appear in my opinion. Who actually controls us Humans? This guy has a series of great videos on this subject. This guy is very deep and he understands occult knowledge better than any other videos on 911.



9/11 is also Jewish Holiday

4 jews were arrested for drinking champange partying in NYC while the towers were burning



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