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Are The Saudis Wrong To Ban Women From Getting Behind the Wheel?

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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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here's an idea....
ground the private planes and introduce gore and his buddies to that new technology....
VIDEO CONFERENCING!!!


do you even think about what you are writing....
let's see, what is the difference from my calling a taxi and me hopping into my car and driving to work...
oh ya, I take my car to work, turn it off and it sits in the parking lot for eight hours till I am ready to come home...then, either my husband is running around in it, or it is sitiing in my driveway while I scramble to do the housework and cook the homemade dinner!!! ya
as far as the taxi, well, is it coming to my house from god only knows where, maybe around the corner, maybe the other side of town, then it drops me off at work, and it's off again, maybe to someplace close by, or maybe way over to the other side of town, then it comes back at quitting time to give me a ride home, and then it's off again!!!

as far as buses go, sorry, nearest bus stop is blocks away, and I am on my feet enough at work, ain't walking it!!!
so, we are back to my husband having two or three jobs....
I'll be sure he knows who to thank when your dream becomes a reality!!!




posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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If you read my reply you must have seen the smiling face and demente face?
It is called humour, but what I was stating was logical, if we use more Pubic Transport perhaps less people would get cancer from inhaling Diesel and petrol emissions.
Ever wondered why so many people get cance nowadays?
I think people who butt in on other peoples threads to insult them are acting Trollishly, but it is a free world .

edit on 16-6-2011 by Dr Expired because: Speeling mistake



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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Well, perhaps we could reverse the situation...

If climate change, pollution and high congestion are really the only issues - let's hand the keys over to women completely!
And men can stop driving!


I don't care either way, it was just another humorous take on the OP...
but seriously,
in many cases some countries do have very real and serious problems with not just women - but general human rights cases being abused.

Driving is only one element and representative of an overall situation demonstrating female inequality across the board.
Lets take a step back and look at the bigger picture together





posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by Kali74
 


If you read my reply you must have seen the smiling face and demente face?
It is called humour, but what I was stating was logical, if we use more Pubic Transport perhaps less people would get cancer from inhaling Diesel and petrol emissions.
Ever wondered why so many people get cance nowadays?
I think people who butt in on other peoples threads to insult them are acting Trollishly, but it is a free world .

edit on 16-6-2011 by Dr Expired because: Speeling mistake


Pubic transport makes a lot of sense...for you. Here's a better idea, men get banned from driving and take public transportation, you know...for safety reasons.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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I appreciate your point of view , but traditionally men rode horses whilst women stayed home and did the home chores, this may sound sexist , but in reality this is how millions of women live their lives still in 2011.
But instead of horses men drive cars, yes some women do too, I have to accept this like all men do.
I guess Iam thinking of the added pollution that is the result of two car families.
If women were honest they would acknowledge most of the time they are driving for frivolous reasons?
How many women do you see during the day not working but driving to the hairdressers or shopping mall to drink cofee and such things?
Is this adding to the pollution levels?
YES.
Men drive to work , to earn a living, when they are not working the car stays in the driveway and they walk or cycle to the Bar or Casino ect.
Else they catch a cab (electric).
I think practically men should own the car keys , just as in the old days men owned the horse reins.
You will find most women find driving a chore,and they get flustered very easily,very few women used to ride horses whats different now?
Cancer causing carceginonions are killing many, its a hidden hush hush cause of lung cancer and other cancers.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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I think that the Saudis are wrong in their treatment of women...period.

But I do not live there. Never would live there. Probably never visit because I do not support the way women are treated and would not want to abide by their laws set in place for women.

But I have no say in how the men treat the women and how the women chose to be treated...so my opinion does not matter....
edit on June 16th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by wagtail
 

I appreciate your point of view , but traditionally men rode horses whilst women stayed home and did the home chores, this may sound sexist , but in reality this is how millions of women live their lives still in 2011.
But instead of horses men drive cars, yes some women do too, I have to accept this like all men do.
I guess Iam thinking of the added pollution that is the result of two car families.
If women were honest they would acknowledge most of the time they are driving for frivolous reasons?
How many women do you see during the day not working but driving to the hairdressers or shopping mall to drink cofee and such things?
Is this adding to the pollution levels?
YES.
Men drive to work , to earn a living, when they are not working the car stays in the driveway and they walk or cycle to the Bar or Casino ect.
Else they catch a cab (electric).
I think practically men should own the car keys , just as in the old days men owned the horse reins.
You will find most women find driving a chore,and they get flustered very easily,very few women used to ride horses whats different now?
Cancer causing carceginonions are killing many, its a hidden hush hush cause of lung cancer and other cancers.


What a ridiculous bunch of nonsense. How would you know how many drive to hair appointments in the middle of the day amongst other frivoulous things like going grocery shopping, paying bills, driving the kids to where ever, unless you yourself are out not at work in the middle of the day? I'm guessing you would prefer to go back to times when women were subjugated then? Or perhaps single income families as if our economy wasn't bad enough. I highly doubt too that many men cycle to the bar or casino, not to mention they should be saving that money and spending time with the family, ya? And gosh, what about all those drives to Best Buy to get the latest gadget?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by wagtail
 

I appreciate your point of view , but traditionally men rode horses whilst women stayed home and did the home chores, this may sound sexist , but in reality this is how millions of women live their lives still in 2011.
But instead of horses men drive cars, yes some women do too, I have to accept this like all men do.
I guess Iam thinking of the added pollution that is the result of two car families.
If women were honest they would acknowledge most of the time they are driving for frivolous reasons?
How many women do you see during the day not working but driving to the hairdressers or shopping mall to drink cofee and such things?
Is this adding to the pollution levels?
YES.
Men drive to work , to earn a living, when they are not working the car stays in the driveway and they walk or cycle to the Bar or Casino ect.
Else they catch a cab (electric).
I think practically men should own the car keys , just as in the old days men owned the horse reins.
You will find most women find driving a chore,and they get flustered very easily,very few women used to ride horses whats different now?
Cancer causing carceginonions are killing many, its a hidden hush hush cause of lung cancer and other cancers.


Please tell me you are attempting to make a funny....
Because that attitude is the reason why women are treated like dogs in some of these countries. Im sure you as a civil and moral human being would never ever believe nor treat women as a 2nd class being.....right?


And you do realize that "back in the day" the women were not the only ones "steering the horse" right? That is simply false.

I could actually debunk every point you made...but something tells me that because Im a women, I shall be ignored and told to get back to the kitchen barefoot.....
edit on June 16th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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I regularly cycle as many many men do, strange how they are mainly men who cycle, in the western world at least.
If perhaps more women cycled then they would feel fitter and wouldn't have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on new diets.
It would certainly do the air a favour,this thread shouldn't be about men vs women , just about common sense, our Planet cannot sustain more and more cars emitting fumes , consuming oxygen and putting out poison.
Women are traditionally the nurturing half of our species, I would think most women would gladly give up the car if it would help their childrens future?
Or is this justan old fashioned view of women as nurturers and caring?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Doc, get a hold of yourself! What is the meaning of this? Rant? I won't go to far because there is no possible way you are serious. Keep swigging those brews!

CJ



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Expired
Was watching the news and there was a report on women agitating in Saudi Arabia in order to put pressure on that nations rulers to allow women to drive a motor vehicle.

The interview subject a Burka wearing woman (I assume) said she wanted to drive as she was wary of 'foreign men" driving Taxis, and she depended on Taxis to get around.

But it does keep the number of cars on the road lower than it would be.
Pollution is less than it would be.
Accidents are less than it would be.

With women banned from driving they are less likely to go shopping all day, and have more time to do the housework?

They will have more time to perfect their cooking skills?
Whilst it may never happen in the western world, does the idea have merit?
Less pollution , less congestion,less accidents...its perhaps a decision the Saudi rulers will never reverse?


A burka wearing subject? Please show me that.

Women cause pollution? Women cause accidents?
The dinosuar age is long gone...



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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When I was 16, getting my first job, and working shiftwork in Vancouver, my dad bought me a car so that I would be safe from the creeps hanging around the bus stops, and preying on young women at night and early mornings. That was many years ago, it's even less safe now.

Why is it the women are expected to sacrifice our rights as equal human beings, to the point of our safety at risk?

How is women taking taxis, taking a vehicle off the road? Now, it's a taxi instead.


There are no buses in rural areas, nor taxis.

With the cost of gas these day, do ya really think women are just driving around all over the place unnecessarily?

In some provinces, it used to be that they had different auto insurance rates, the highest rate was men under the age of 25. They have the most accidents statistically.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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I'm not certain how to respond to that one...
you got me stumped, possibly due to my easily flustered nature - being female and all


However, all I can say is

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Thanks for sparking a great debate though, it sure got me thinking.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

The above link is a general article for one of many exhaustive and ongoing statistical studies carried out to determine or otherwise generally analyze some of the many facets of people driving...

It is I repeat only one of many, and results of course vary from year to year and place to place - if you'd like to read it please do, but it is by no means gospel truth.

Cheers again Wag
edit on 16-6-2011 by wagtail because: just adding detail



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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I think practically men should own the car keys , just as in the old days men owned the horse reins.


:shk:

I just keep reading that sentence......

I can't believe I'm reading that sentence - in North America - in the 21st century.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:45 PM
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I think the Sawdis are dedd rite to ban women.

Women are scary, they shold cover themselfs

They have these things that stick out in front. Wierd.

They make you think funny thoughfts and some times you cant stop.

Imagin if they was all over the streets, driving. What would happen when we saw their stickyout things and started thinking. Imagin the axidents from thinking and not looking were wer'e going.

Women are dirty too. In the bible it says unclean. Its true, I once smelt a girl it was funy.

I like this thred.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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"Are The Saudis Wrong To Ban Women From Getting Behind the Wheel?" If the women don't mind, then the Saudis are NOT wrong. It really depends on how much more inequality the women are willing to allow men/culture to dictact how to live. Can't profit from women who should be shopping all day but instead are staying at home.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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My heart gave a little twang when I read that also...
But hey, this is one opinion amongst many, I'm so grateful that in my everyday life I am surrounded by loving, open, generous, highly skilled, respectful and challenging men...
who test me and support me as well!

who acknowledge the likes of the following amongst others - Female Role Models

fabulousfemalerolemodels.blogspot.com...



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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How did ya know I was drinking beer CJ? Becks to be excact.
But just to set the record straight iam only drinking today to overcome my hangover from yesterdays .

But seriously I do feel pasiionately about this subject, some people say this sort of thinking is sexist but it is not meant to be, its about caring for the whole population by reducing accidents and pollution.
If we sat back and listed the natural resources being wasted producing Millions of cars for women to drive , when they could at least wait for their husbands to return from a hard days work, before they motor down to the tennis club or Hair Salon, then the second car would not be necessary.
But will this happen?

No human nature being what it is , it will require a law to prohibit half of the population from driving, in Saudi Arabia they have such a law in place, iam not saying this is a fair law for women , but perhaps its a fair law for the worlds environment, no one can argue against that.

Some have argued that men should be banned from driving but this will not work, as traditions since time began dictate that the man goes forth into the world ,and women are more stationary, they find comfort and peace in the home environment.
They nurture and raise the children, they mend the clothes and feed the tribe,they traditionally did not hop on a horse and go galloping around the countryside, no men rode the horses to hunt food and to bring home the bounty,
In those days horses were a luxury , they didn't have one horse for the man and one for the woman ,this would be considered waste and uneccessary extravagance?
But today the Earth is being pillaged is it not to give women their own cars?
Rubber grows on trees , how many trees are cut down just for the extra tyres?
All the replacement bumper bars and boot lids , to service the extra crash results, not to mention windscreens.
I personally cycle and walk when I can or else , many men do the same, I think men are getting more and more Earth concious, it is a heartwarming thing to be a part of.
Women deserve equal rights , but the Earth deserves less cars?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Just let it go...let it go...harm from an opinion so diverse cannot actually be harmful, unless one is unsure of their own stance...you seem sure of yours and the argument is fairly obvious...don't let the Dr's thread upset you. Instead, be happy there are a majority of people that agree with you. Now, that said, do your bidding, just don't take it personally!


CJ
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Snowspirit you should have a sense of humor or else ye will end up barking mad

Despite what you may think iam not sexist in the slightest its just I sincerely believe a car should be only used as a necessity as was the horse.
Did women ride their horse down to the Local tea shop years ago?
No they did not, they walked .
That is all iam saying, for our planets sake lets have less cars.



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