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Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by e11888

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by hadriana
I just think - bottom line - that we must surely hate each other b/c it seems the majority thinks that the govt. can 'call the shots' (pun intended) better than parents.
Meaning, of course, that the govt always knows better and cares more than any particular set of parents.

And I just disagree with that basic premise.
I thought we were comparing medical doctors with a roughly decade of education and training, to parents, with no medical training. The medical doctors don't recommend vaccination for everyone. Some children are too sickly to have the strain of vaccination put on their system, and can be exempted by the doctor for that reason.


A decade of education means nothing when the education system is owned and influenced by anyone with enough money or power to push an agenda. If I tell you for 10 years that the sky is red and you've never been told otherwise in your entire life you would naturally believe the sky is red even though visually you can see it to be blue. So when you go through 10 years of education telling you to push vaccines and all the wonders and great goods of modern medicine of course you're going to push vaccines. Links to autism, big pharma being above the law, or anything negative about the industry is hardly discussed. This is the very reason dentists today push Fluoride so hard. They truly do not know any better even though many other dentists have come out and spoken against the use of it.


Well said e11888




posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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I think people are living in environments that are too clean now. Everyones immune system is in such a beautiful place that when the tiniest bit of filth gets in it just breaks down.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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My family has always gone the natural route for everything, I suppose it is the native american side peeking there. I had chickenpox and measles when I was a kid, it really wasn't that bad. I have had flu that made me feel worse. I rarely get sick now, the only medical problem I have is migraines, I had those all my life though. I am probably a lot cleaner than most people are though, that might have something to do with it. I was my hands and forearms often.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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One more tip for those who insist on vaccinating their children

Keep in mind that when Japan banned vaccines for the under 2's, cot death completely disappeared. So, if you feel that you must vaccinate your child at least hold it off for the first 2 years of their life



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Here's another thing to consider

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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I remember asking my doc about a certain vaccine and how did they test it properly in randomized controlled studies. She said because the disease rapidly mutates they could not possibly test the vaccine before the disease mutated. So basically the vaccine we were talking about was untested. This shocked me in a way.

I would like someone to debunk the Philippine epidemic or at least show a decent argument to why it happened
in a heavily vaccinated population. Of course this doesn't show that all vaccines do not work.

I'd also like a decent explanation to why diseases completely vanish (plague?) without vaccination and how does this apply to current arguments for and against vaccination?
Example of this : polio people show the stats and how the disease all but vanished and then there's arguments
quoting that diseases vanish naturally but on the flip side people claim it was the vaccine..
edit on 17-6-2011 by Limbo because: spellcheck etc



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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After going through this board, I find it funny how many people have said, "I will take the normal vaccines, but not the flu shot." I am dumbfounded by how people can contradict themselves. How can you be pro-vaccine, but refuse to take a vaccine. Most people are unaware that the majority of vaccines distributed to the public are produced by Merck. Merck has been known to include thimersal in almost everyone of their vaccines. For those of you that don't know, thimersal is a mercury preservative that is found in vaccines. Mercury has been linked to many brain disorders, including Autism. Is it a coincidence that when the number of vaccines increased, so did the Autism rate. For those of you who want a credible source, google Dr. David Ayoub
www.whale.to...

Here is another source, Dr. Russell Blaylock
www.whale.to...\

I remember reading a an article based on a study of the Amish. (Sorry couldn't find the article) In a nutshell, the study showed that this community showed no disease or illness, except for two members who coincidentally were adopted. Can someone explain to me how communities that are vaccinated have elevated levels of disease and illnesses, but yet non-vaccinated communities show little to no disease?

From personal experience, I have not had a vaccine since I was kid. Outside of the occasional cold, I have only been sick once and that was due to the flu when I was 12. I may have been vaccinated when I was a child, but so was my brother. He had the chicken pox right after getting the shot. When my aunt was pregnant she was given a vaccine because she was ill and when my cousin was born he was also given a vaccine. My cousin would later be diagnosed with a severe case of Autism. My brother has a horrible immune system, he has gotten pneumonia three times in the last five years. You can say that I didn't get sick because I was vaccinated, but I would argue the fact that I was extremely active and outside all the time when I was kid. My immune system was great because I was healthy and active. Most children get sick today, because their parents bought them a t.v. and video games and they don't want to go outside. Our immune systems are supposed to get sick, naturally, that is how we build up and strengthen our immune systems. Before I finish this post, I will end with two questions:
1) How many people do you know have been sick and afterwards were never sick again i.e. flu?
2) How many active and healthy people, children and adults (adults that have not been vaccinated in years or regularly vaccinated) , do you know get sick on a regular basis?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by antar
 


The answers to your questions are in the article; it's quite a long one. Here are some similar statistics regarding Japan and the UK



Japan banned the MMR vaccine for understndable reasons in the 1990's - and has had had 94 child deaths in the last 5 years from Measles


Why Japan banned MMR Vaccine

By way of comparison the UK had 97 deaths from measles over 25 years from 1983-2008; and now gets 1-2 per year. It used to always have 40+/year and regularly over 100 - the last time beign 1965. It has not had over 9 since 1989.

Measles Notifications and deaths in England and Wales


When comparing the number of deaths from an illness of those who have and haven't been vaccinated, it's also important to take into account the number who were killed by the vaccine itself and the number who have been left permanently disabled by the vaccine



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Vaccines are so good I take like a dozen of them a day. Can't get enough of those vaccines. I sure hope they put them in our water supply soon.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by jameshawkings
It was a homeless child who was most likely malnourished, it is only the malnourished who have trouble with measles, but the malnourished also get damaged by vaccines, so it still wouldn't justify their use

Measles makes us stronger, no one wants a couch potato immune system. If you want your kids to be strong don't vaccinate. Measles makes us grow taller and improves our artistic ability. Yes, we've been lied to!

naturalnews.tv...
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If you want your kids to have a chance of death due to measle encephalitis for which there are no cures, then don't vaccinate. If you want your kids suffocating to death because of whooping cough, then don't vaccinate.

There are reasons why the medical field selected out only a handful of bugs to be vaccinated against - They are F'in dangerous. The complications from these bugs will lead to death. What people don't realize is that the reason why we have these vaccines in the first place is due to the high number of deaths associated with these bugs and viruses.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by jameshawkings
It was a homeless child who was most likely malnourished, it is only the malnourished who have trouble with measles, but the malnourished also get damaged by vaccines, so it still wouldn't justify their use

Measles makes us stronger, no one wants a couch potato immune system. If you want your kids to be strong don't vaccinate. Measles makes us grow taller and improves our artistic ability. Yes, we've been lied to!

naturalnews.tv...
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If you want your kids to have a chance of death due to measle encephalitis for which there are no cures, then don't vaccinate. If you want your kids suffocating to death because of whooping cough, then don't vaccinate.

There are reasons why the medical field selected out only a handful of bugs to be vaccinated against - They are F'in dangerous. The complications from these bugs will lead to death. What people don't realize is that the reason why we have these vaccines in the first place is due to the high number of deaths associated with these bugs and viruses.


As I mentioned the danger is to those who are malnouished; Measles is dangerous to those who are deficient in Vitamin A.

Vaccines also damage the malnourished. The solution here is food not vaccines
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by jbell1011
After going through this board, I find it funny how many people have said, "I will take the normal vaccines, but not the flu shot." I am dumbfounded by how people can contradict themselves. How can you be pro-vaccine, but refuse to take a vaccine.
It's not a contradiction.

Some people have raised valid concerns about mercury content. While no correlation has been established that I'm aware of between the small amounts of mercury in vaccines and harmful symptoms (some have claimed this but the facts don't support the claims), it is still known that ingesting Mercury probably isn't good for you.

Now look at this data table showing the Mercury content of the influenza vaccine, see how much mercury it has?

www.fda.gov...

Compare that to the other child vaccines which either don't contain any added mercury at all or less than 1/25 the amount in the flu vaccine. If you're trying to cut back on your Mercury consumption, it's no contradiction at all.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by antar
I would like to see the stats on these outbreaks, how many of them had been vaccinated? Is this more push for vaccinations or a true sense of what is being reported by the msm?

When the truth came out in Cal regarding the whooping cough outbreak we discovered the majority of cases had had the vaccine.


Pertussis is so contagious that if even 6% of the population is unvaccinated, EVERYONE is at risk.

Your statement comes from not knowing just what vaccines are and what they do. No vaccine has ever claimed a 100% immunity rate. Ever. The reason the smallpox vaccine was so effective is because 1) there was a global push to vaccinate everyone they could find; and 2) the only reservoir of smallpox is humans. There is no animal reservoir to re-infect us.

The United States is not the world. If you really want to go back to the pre-vaccine days, by all means go to Africa or Eastern Europe and you can compare for yourself.


Also where are the actual stats on measles from year to year? There has been an increase in population so taking that into consideration could affect the outcomes.


No, what there has been is an increase in unvaccinated children. Even if there is an increase in population, vaccination rates should stay the same.

We were on track to eradicate measles just the way we did smallpox, but that's not going to happen now, thanks to the likes of people who don't know what they're talking about. Measles always was and still is one of the biggest killers of young children. It still kills hundreds of thousands a year. Simple vaccination can prevent that. Same with pertussis, diphtheria, and the other preventable childhood diseases. I've seen an 11 month old child die of a vaccine-preventable ear infection caused by H. influenzae type b. It ate through the mastoid bone into his brain, causing encephalitis. It killed him. Ever heard of epiglottitis? Now there's a horrible way to die, and it used to be very, very common before Hib was invented. Smallpox killed 300 MILLION people in the 20th century alone.

Vaccines save lives. Period.

This is my field, so I think I know what I'm talking about. Those who choose not to vaccinate are putting everyone at risk. Some pediatricians are going so far as to post signs in their offices that if your child isn't vaccinated, well, get out and don't come back.

Measles statistics:

Worldwide, more than 20 million people each year are infected.

It has a 10% fatality rate.

As long as the rest of the world has measles, the US and Canada will, too.

Here's an article from just yesterday:

www.latimes.com...

From CDC:

www.cdc.gov...



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Also, if any diseases returned, THEY WERE CREATED BY THESE NAZI's.

Amongst the many sitings of crafts my family had, the three in winter, were low, several hundred feet, small plane size. I saw it 3 times in just over a week, twice for 10 minutes roughly over the middle school. No chopeers showed up for this soundless nearly hovering or hovering craft. It wasn't Theirs, seemed to be OURs, and what the hell was it doing over the middle school?

Such things are weaponzied virus's, nano dusting and technology, poison, toxinx, disease, something....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit on 17-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by jbell1011
After going through this board, I find it funny how many people have said, "I will take the normal vaccines, but not the flu shot." I am dumbfounded by how people can contradict themselves. How can you be pro-vaccine, but refuse to take a vaccine.
It's not a contradiction.

Some people have raised valid concerns about mercury content. While no correlation has been established that I'm aware of between the small amounts of mercury in vaccines and harmful symptoms (some have claimed this but the facts don't support the claims), it is still known that ingesting Mercury probably isn't good for you.

Now look at this data table showing the Mercury content of the influenza vaccine, see how much mercury it has?

www.fda.gov...

Compare that to the other child vaccines which either don't contain any added mercury at all or less than 1/25 the amount in the flu vaccine. If you're trying to cut back on your Mercury consumption, it's no contradiction at all.


Regarding the mercury content, first of all, it's not mercury. It's thimerasol. Anyone over 35 remembers antiseptics like Mercurochrome, Merthiolate, and ginseng violet, right? What do you think was in that stuff? Thimerasol, and really, we should have poisoned ourselves to death with it.

Anyone who's had a tattoo has ingested quite a bit of the stuff, too. That's what they use to keep the ink fresh and colorful.

Also, there's a difference between organic and inorganic mercury. Inorganic mercury isn't bioaccumulative, which means it doesn't build up in the blood, bones, or tissues. That is what's in thimerasol.

PS--I don't mean to come off so harshly, but this is one subject that really gets my hackles up.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Also, if any diseases returned, THEY WERE CREATED BY THESE NAZI's.

Amongst the many sitings of crafts my family had, the three in winter, were low, several hundred feet, small plane size. I saw it 3 times in just over a week, twice for 10 minutes roughly over the middle school. No chopeers showed up for this soundless nearly hovering or hovering craft. It wasn't Theirs, seemed to be OURs, and what the hell was it doing over the middle school?

Such things are weaponzied virus's, nano dusting and technology, poison, toxinx, disease, something....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit on 17-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


Got proof of that?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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reply to post by Griffo
 


I work in a hospital and see patients coming in all the time with the same diseases they have been vaccinated against, and this includes HIB, Pneumonia and Influenza......

When you weigh the benefits outweighing the risks; I am against vaccinations.....



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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HappyBunny,

Even if we were to trust the data that is constantly pumped out of the system that appears to back up vaccines, even if we were to assume that it is completely honest and not a form of marketing for the $Trillion industry. We would also need to take a look at long term studies. Measles and Mumps leave people immune to various Cancers; they make us stronger. (Measles even improves our artistic ability) All childhood illnesses are the same, they all play their part in making us healthier and stronger on the long run. This is not being tracked, we are not tracking the long term effects of vaccination or the long term effects of childhood illnesses. It wouldn't be good for business to put such tracking in place; what we don't know won't hurt business!


Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by antar
I would like to see the stats on these outbreaks, how many of them had been vaccinated? Is this more push for vaccinations or a true sense of what is being reported by the msm?

When the truth came out in Cal regarding the whooping cough outbreak we discovered the majority of cases had had the vaccine.


Pertussis is so contagious that if even 6% of the population is unvaccinated, EVERYONE is at risk.

Your statement comes from not knowing just what vaccines are and what they do. No vaccine has ever claimed a 100% immunity rate. Ever. The reason the smallpox vaccine was so effective is because 1) there was a global push to vaccinate everyone they could find; and 2) the only reservoir of smallpox is humans. There is no animal reservoir to re-infect us.

The United States is not the world. If you really want to go back to the pre-vaccine days, by all means go to Africa or Eastern Europe and you can compare for yourself.


Also where are the actual stats on measles from year to year? There has been an increase in population so taking that into consideration could affect the outcomes.


No, what there has been is an increase in unvaccinated children. Even if there is an increase in population, vaccination rates should stay the same.

We were on track to eradicate measles just the way we did smallpox, but that's not going to happen now, thanks to the likes of people who don't know what they're talking about. Measles always was and still is one of the biggest killers of young children. It still kills hundreds of thousands a year. Simple vaccination can prevent that. Same with pertussis, diphtheria, and the other preventable childhood diseases. I've seen an 11 month old child die of a vaccine-preventable ear infection caused by H. influenzae type b. It ate through the mastoid bone into his brain, causing encephalitis. It killed him. Ever heard of epiglottitis? Now there's a horrible way to die, and it used to be very, very common before Hib was invented. Smallpox killed 300 MILLION people in the 20th century alone.

Vaccines save lives. Period.

This is my field, so I think I know what I'm talking about. Those who choose not to vaccinate are putting everyone at risk. Some pediatricians are going so far as to post signs in their offices that if your child isn't vaccinated, well, get out and don't come back.

Measles statistics:

Worldwide, more than 20 million people each year are infected.

It has a 10% fatality rate.

As long as the rest of the world has measles, the US and Canada will, too.

Here's an article from just yesterday:

www.latimes.com...

From CDC:

www.cdc.gov...






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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Starwise
reply to post by Griffo
 


I work in a hospital and see patients coming in all the time with the same diseases they have been vaccinated against, and this includes HIB, Pneumonia and Influenza......

When you weigh the benefits outweighing the risks; I am against vaccinations.....


It's good to hear from you Starwise, do you ever tell the patients this?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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So, for everyone on this thread that isn't a medical doctor telling me to get vaccinations, if something happens to my child because of said vaccine, I'm going to sue you for practicing medicine without a license.


Do the research, and then make up your own mind.



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