Originally posted by syrinx high priest
this is chilling
I support a parents right to not have their kids vaccinated, but I would also support them being denied public education
I don't want to bury my kids because their classmates parents thought it was OK for their kids to be walking typhoid mary's
you want to put my kids at risk, fine, home school yours
Originally posted by EmVeeFF
Oh yeah. You, sir, are obviously not one of these "morons". You must have a doctorate in medicine or work for a pharma company because you seem to have quite the expert opinion on vaccines...
Originally posted by summer5
reply to post by Throwback
You do realize that all of us who are now adults are not longer protected by our childhood vaccines. Basically, we adults are no more protected than an unvaccinated child.
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by Revolution9
Illnesses such as those you have just stated, IMO, are natural.
So are a lot of diseases. Do you suppose we should just avoid going the dentist when we get tooth decay?
It is my sincere belief that that these illnesses are necessary as part of the development of a child's immune system.
The immune system doesn't really work that way
It is my very sincere belief that some vaccinations are destroying our health and our immune systems.
Which ones? I agree maybe the seasonal flu vaccine is a little over the top unless you are a pensioner.
I had illnesses when a child, measles, etc. I am glad I was able to go through that experience.
Oh yes, I'm sure fever, vomiting and rashes all over your body was a great experience
Many many children have had bad reactions to vaccines. Vaccines have killed. Vaccines have affected pregnant women so when their children are born they have disabilities.
Yes, they probably have. But not getting vaccinated has produced a far greater number of problems.
Do you know what is in the needles? Does the Doctor? Does the nurse? Do they scientists truely know what is in that needle and what consequences it might have?
Common Ingredients in U.S. Licensed Vaccines
I can understand that you might be scared or worried about the contents of vaccines, but a widespread vaccination is a good thing; it provides protection to others unable to be vaccinated:
Babies too young to be vaccinated and people with compromised immune systems, such as those with cancer, are especially vulnerable. They rely on others around them to keep the virus out of circulation, a phenomenon known as "herd immunity," which protects even those who can't be vaccinated, she says.edit on 16/6/2011 by Griffo because: (no reason given)
If it was the moron parents only who would die as a result of their decision, then yes I'd support such social Darwinism. But it's a little harder to swallow when the innocent children have to die due to the decisions of their moronic parents. The parents will suffer with grief, but the kids shouldn't have to die.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
This is a good thing though
its social darwinism...if people adhere to anti-vaccine psychology, then breed, well...its not like their children are coming from fantastic stock to begin with.
In a world populated with far too many morons, having the kids of morons die through preventable issues seems perfectly acceptable, if not desirable.
Does this answer your question?
Originally posted by summer5
I am sorry, it just gets under my skin when I hear a comment like this. Why, oh why, if your child is vaccinated and SAFE from the disease due to the vaccination, would my unvaccinated child pose any threat to yours? Isn't that the reason you vaccinate yours? Because they are now safe?
NO disrespect, just a question. After all, its our choices to vaccinate or not. If you choose to, or not, that's your choice.
I think #3 is very important, vaccines don't create perfect immunity. So your un-vaccinated child is still putting the vaccinated child more at risk for that reason.
This is a legitimate question to ask: if vaccines work in preventing diseases, why do we say that unvaccinated children are a danger to the vaccinated ones? There are many reasons why unvaccinated children pose a risk to vaccinated children. Here I will go over the main ones:
1. There are many children that cannot be vaccinated, for various reasons such as an autoimmune disease, allergies, or simply being too young to have received the vaccine. These children have no protection against the disease. If they are exposed to it through an unvaccinated peer, they are at risk of suffering and/or even dying.
2. Unvaccinated children are protected by the herd immunity created by the vaccinated children. Herd immunity basically means that if enough people are vaccinated it becomes really hard for the disease to find hosts it can survive in and spread. The more children are unvaccinated the greater the risk that herd immunity will fail. If herd immunity fails, all suffer for the reasons described below.
3. Vaccines do not offer 100% immunity towards disease. The efficacy varies; some vaccines offer higher rates of efficacy, some lower. Having received a vaccine doesn’t guarantee that a child will not get sick when exposed to the disease. Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the disease, if exposed, dramatically, but there will always be a number of children for whom the vaccine will not provide protection. Those children will be at risk, from other unvaccinated children who may contract and spread the disease.
However, the first and foremost children that are being put at risk by the unvaccinated children, are the unvaccinated children themselves. Before they can become a danger to others, they’d have to contract the disease themselves, and that disease could carry with it all kinds of pain and suffering, including in some cases death.