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Originally posted by EmVeeFF
Originally posted by SaturnFX
This is a good thing though
its social darwinism...if people adhere to anti-vaccine psychology, then breed, well...its not like their children are coming from fantastic stock to begin with.
And when your kid comes out witha partialy developed brain or dies when you vaccinate him/her... darwinism.
In a world populated with far too many morons, having the kids of morons die through preventable issues seems perfectly acceptable, if not desirable.
If people decide to simply forgo advanced medicine, and take their chances on prayer, well...more power to them, and the end result is a greater percentage of the population contributing to the enhancement of medical understanding once the mindset (along with the nuts) die out...literally.
bit cold, but their "sacrifice" will be a good example for the rest on the benefits of modern day medicine.
Oh yeah. You, sir, are obviously not one of these "morons". You must have a doctorate in medicine or work for a pharma company because you seem to have quite the expert opinion on vaccines...
Reason I dont trust vaccines: Bill Gates advocates them aggressively. that and the documentation of experiments done through vaccines. They are no good, and if i get measles so be it, its better than becoming some brain-dead bearer of sabotaged children.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
Originally posted by here4awhile
sorry but I have my doubts that they are only putting just the vaccine into these shots...I'll stay away from them because it is my opinion that these people are testing eugenics out on the population with these vaccines...
So a paranoid delusion is reason enough for a parent to kill their own child with neglect?
Ask yourself; Self, why is it that every generation we live longer and are healthier if the medical industry is trying to kill us?
but if the parent vaccinates a child and it dies/becomes brain damaged thats ok, all aslong as YOU dont have some moron stranger give you whooping coughedit on 16-6-2011 by EmVeeFF because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jackieisinlove
As you can see, I'm not the sort of person who would give her child immunizations. But I have. In fact, just today my 14-month-old just had his one year shots. It scares the hell out of me. I do believe there's a connection between shots and autism. I also believe there's evidence, even though they keep telling me there isn't. Since when are the testimonies of tons of people not considered evidence?
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Anyone who still thinks there is a 'link' between vaccines and autism needs to research that a bit more. There was one guy who claimed to have found a link, and his methodology was found to be complete nonsense. The 'doctor' who authored it, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, completely retracted his claims.[i]
I don't think any one read my initial post on this topic. My son became autistic after his MMR. He was not my first child, I have 7 kids..my last 4 kids have never been vaccinated and they are so much more healthy than my first 3 children.
My two nieces, and a nephew are autistic or on the spectrum, 2 from my sister, one from my brother, which NEITHER are blood related!! We were all 3 adopted when we were infants, from different families. NO blood relationship what so ever. Yet we all have children who are autistic or on the spectrum after MMR shots.
My brother in law son dies at 18 months after his MMR. He was cranky, fever, etc...He was crying and his mom said he had hardly slept since his MMR. She was exhausted. He finally was getting sleepy. She put him to bed in his crib, hoping he would sleep it off. He fussed a bit, and then finally got quite. She went to check on him about 20 minutes later, and we heard a scream come from down the hall. He was blue, not breathing at all. We were trying to give him CPR, called 911, but he was gone. We had the funeral 2 days later. The worst funeral I have ever attended in my life. A child...A baby. After his immunizations that were suppose to keep him from harm, killed him.
If you have been lucky enough to not have been effected by the immunizations, consider yourself VERY lucky...there are hundreds, thousands of stories who were not so fortunate. Don't be led by blind faith. I have had (in my immediate family) some devastating stories...4 autistic/spectrum, 1 death...out of 10 grand children...do the math! Its not like it can't happen to you, or someone you know...I hope it never does...then you will not be on the other side of the fence.
Either way, if you are on one side of the fence or the other, there are reasons for it. If those of you who are so sure your vaccinations are right, I hope to god you never end up on the other side...its not a good place to be.
I wish I had known more back then, than I do now...ignorance is bliss. My relatives who have given me insite (after the facts) I wished I had talked to prior, so do my siblings. We have made our choices, we have to live with them. Our regrets are vaccinating our children. I hope no one elses is the same regret-ever!
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Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Griffo
There is no evidence vaccines work and ample evidence they cause harm and even kill people. The OP is rhetoric with no substance. Some cases of measles show up and the leap is made that it must be due to refusal to poison/vaccinate your children.. Sigh! And of course 154 cases wow what an epidemic. So tell us were these cases vaccinated before the contracted measles? Because I would bet dollars to doughnuts most were.
Vaccines are the pop culture of the medical establishment most believe they are great saviours of man kind but there is no evidence to support it. It speaks to the power of media and propaganda. And to those who say people who don't vaccinate are endangering others I say BS!!! If you have so much faith in vaccination why are you worried about those who don't since you are supposedly immune?
Vaccines are claimed to have eradicated things like polio and small pox etc. The interesting thing is during that period those diseases were declining before the advent of vaccines and declined in non vaccinated countries at the same or greater rates then vaccinated countries. Data going back to the beginning of vaccination indicates there is no evidence that vaccines work period but in fact vaccines were often the cause of the disease they claimed to protect against.
As I said vaccines are the pop culture of modern medicine they have been accepted as valid with no scientific evidence to back them up.
A few links to consider.
We vaccinated our children when we didn’t know any better but I would never recommend vaccines to anyone and in fact I would try to talk them out of it,. It is poison and the drug companies make billions peddling it with the vaccine protection myth and politicians have been threatening to make vaccines mandatory as the evidence becomes more available that they are not only worthless but dangerous. That’s what politicians do they ensure markets for the politically connected for otherwise worthless and dangerous products that few would buy without being forced or deceived into believing they were good for them or thier children.
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Allow me to add, furthermore, that using the Bible as a medical textbook is a great way to commit suicide, not to mention murder your children.
If you think that vaccines are injected into the blood stream.. Then I do greatly question the level of your research and any opinions you could draw from it.
Vaccinations work by introducing a 'dead' or weakened virus into the body. The immune system then responds to this as it would with a 'healthy' virus and overcomes it with ease. The body then retains the antibodies, so should the real virus enter the body, the immune system will recognise it and deploy the antibodies again.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Being concerned with the safety of vaccines isn't a problem.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
So now people who are concerned about vaccines having negative effects are morons?
But being able to tell the difference between quackery and science is a useful skill, which some people lack.
Like the people citing smallpox deaths as a reason to not get their children vaccinated when smallpox has been eradicated. Even the doctors that recommend vaccines are concerned about them and they realize they are stressful and don't recommend them for everybody.
During the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, when smallpox epidemics ran rampant, the introduction of smallpox vaccination was often followed by an increased incidence of the disease. Many vaccine critics accused the smallpox vaccine of precipitating these epidemics. A disastrous smallpox epidemic occurred in England during the period 1871-1873 at a time when the compulsory smallpox vaccination law had resulted in nearly universal coverage. A Royal Commission was appointed in 1889 to investigate the history of vaccination in the United Kingdom. Evidence mounted that smallpox epidemics increased dramatically after 1854, the year the compulsory vaccination law went into effect. In the London epidemic of 1857-1859, there were more than 14,000 deaths; in the 1863-1865 outbreak 20,000 deaths; and from 1871 to 1873 all of Europe was swept by the worst smallpox epidemic in recorded history. In England and Wales alone, 45,000 people died of smallpox at a time when, according to official estimates, 97 percent of the population had been vaccinated.
When Japan started compulsory vaccination against smallpox in 1872 the disease steadily increased each year. In 1892 more than 165,000 cases occurred with 30,000 deaths in a completely vaccinated population. During the same time period Australia had no compulsory vaccination laws, and only three deaths occurred from smallpox over a 15-year period.
Germany adopted a compulsory vaccination law in 1834, and rigorously enforced re-vaccinations. Yet during the period 1871-1872 there were 125,000 deaths from smallpox. In Berlin itself 17,000 cases of smallpox occurred among the vaccinated population, of whom 2,240 were under ten years of age, and of these vaccinated children 736 died.
In the Philippines, global public health measures were instituted when the United States began its occupation to establish a self-reliant government in the early 1900s. The incidence of smallpox steadily declined and the compulsory vaccine campaign was credited with this dramatic reduction. However, in the years 1917 to 1919, the Philippines experienced the worst epidemic of smallpox in the country’s history with over 160,000 cases and over 70,000 deaths in a completely vaccinated population. Over 43,000 deaths from smallpox occurred in 1919 alone. The entire population of the Philippines at the time was only 11 million.
Vaccine failures of this magnitude may have several causes. The vaccine used could have been defective. During that period it was difficult to verify what the vaccine actually contained. The vaccine could have been contaminated with smallpox virus and actually caused epidemics. Or vaccine critics may have been correct in asserting that Jenner’s cowpox vaccine, which is essentially the same vaccine used today, simply did not work to prevent smallpox...
Death-rate per million children (Ages, between birth and 15 years.)
20 year periods
Measles Scarlet Fever Whooping Cough Diphtheria
1861-1880 1,062 1,973 1,344 932
1881-1900 1,149 585 1,104 838
1900-1920 877 197 684 504
1921-1940 297 50 294 293
1941-1948 62 69 121 105
During the smallpox era, epidemics would come and go, striking with relentless force in some years and remaining absolutely quiescent in others. When smallpox died down, vaccine enthusiasts claimed victory over the smallpox threat. When smallpox incidence increased they would blame a deficiency in vaccination or revaccination.
The history of smallpox in Egypt is a case in point. Compulsory smallpox vaccination was instituted in 1890, but coverage was never complete. During an epidemic in 1919 a total of 7,895 cases of smallpox occurred, followed by 3,004 in 1920. More than 5.5 million people were vaccinated during that epidemic. Then in 1921 the number of smallpox cases declined to 92. The League of Nations Monthly Report of October 15, 1929 attributed this remarkable drop in smallpox to the renewed vaccintion efforts. Five years later another epidemic struck. In 1926 a total of 2,677 smallpox cases occurred with 544 deaths, despite the previous vaccine campaign. This time more than 14.6 million doses of vaccine were supposedly administered (in a population of less than 14 million people). Then in 1930 the League of Nations announced that the incidence of smallpox had been reduced to only 14 cases. Smallpox was declared nearly eradicated. However, in 1932 another smallpox epidemic struck in Egypt, despite continued compulsory vaccination of all children. By 1934 the toll of cases had reached 7,650 with 1,373 deaths. This variable incidence of smallpox from year to year was typical at the time, and the nearly universal vaccination of the population in Egypt was a dismal failure.
Saying you're more likely to contract whatever disease you're being vaccinated against by getting the vaccination than by not getting it, is like an astronaut claiming a spacewalking suit can suffocate you if They cut off the air supply, and insisting to go into the vacuum of space in boxers and a t-shirt.