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Originally posted by bonaire
Urban areas, especially those who have populations who live an entitlement life, will be mayhem. Without supplies given or perhaps foodstamps or other sustaining benefits, there could be riots beyond any of our historic records in this country. However, I feel that SHTF happens all the time now with mass layoffs, food price increases, gas price increases, cost of living is a slow steady SHTF.
Compare our country to others less fortunate. Mexico City is a huge SHTF scenario now. Many cities in India are filled with millions living in poverty and .... doing just fine. As long as they have moderate supply of food, they are ok. If we had our video games, cable tv and sugar drinks taken away, we will riot. It seems we are not even close to going "Bangalore" here, but rather our worries are of going "Detroit". Detroit is a perfect scenario of loss of jobs and decay and it seems to be surviving better than many cities in Africa and Asia.
We're spoiled. SHTF is a fallacy and is movie/conspiracy driven. We have food, we have each other. Unless we have a enormous dust-bowl international drought with foods becoming scarce, we should be fine.
However, we should learn one thing. Stop having so many babies. Population control is needed to a degree where we can handle the number of children we have without mortgaging our future. If you're worried about SHTF scenarios, you definitely want to stop having babies. It's interesting that most SHTF worries and conspiracies are in the most prosperous country in the world, the USA. Maybe it is just that many of the conspiracy sites make many of us uneducated about how the world works.
It's clear and I hope you all know this. There are far far more good people in the world than bad. Good people don't riot, don't steal, don't fight. They cooperate, they work hard, they try. They're not type-A jerks who say they are going to "steal to survive". They just survive by doing the right thing. The world was not built by type-A jerks and when the SHTF, those people will be filtered out.edit on 17-6-2011 by bonaire because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by camaro68ssI read Survival threads and often wonder to myself if people will have any moral values after the SHTF. Some threads I read talking about bugging out and living on foot, raiding convoys and stealing from others. When The SHTF will you be able to not loot and steal from other?
Originally posted by Heartisblack
Hell no, I'll rape,pillage and burn. After the SHTF there ain't no authority but yourself. Everybody take care of their own.
Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
The thing about "I'll do whatever it takes to feed my children line of thinking" is that you dig yourself in a hole automatically. Instead of thinking of worse case scenarios where you have to steal or kill to provide for your children, why not think of cooperation with others in similar positions? No one family can survive on their own. It's the "hunker" down shoot anything that comes close to my territory mentality that will starve your children or get them killed.
Only when everyone works and shares together, complimenting a variety of skills, will they survive. If you have supplies because you prepared yourself, how long will those supplies last you? A year? It's not unlimited and the sooner you connect with your community and form committees which share resources and duties for security the higher your chances are for survival not only for yourself but for your children as well (along with everyone in the community).
There is only so many bullets you can have, there is only so much you can store. No one can do it alone in a SHTF scenario and the quicker you want to live by the gun (me against the world) the faster you will die by the gun.edit on 12-1-2012 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thejlxc
At this point, I cannot see moral values surviving by more than a thread now, and even possibly surviving at all 2012. Morals will be deeply cherished by the few in hiding waiting for the end. Those in the big cities will be forced for fight all the time or flee. The "country" will be flooded with so many refugees that they will no longer be able to sustain themselves either. It will be worse than you think, I think.
They're already so fragile that the government can commit any number of crimes, and there is rarely any reaction at all other than "We see you doing bad things! You're bad!" by some few "conspiracy nuts" who are just telling the truth. Millions of deal to expand the bank monopoly and put forth a one world currency, and still, it's going on.
Morality has degenerated to the point that the need to defend yourself, and your fellow men, just doesn't win over trying to scrabble for dollars to buy things, even food and heat, while a sinister organization strips your freedoms and lies to you all the time. Evil is good. Good is Evil.
It's already happened behind the scenes, and the final changes are in plain sight.
Morality surviving SHTF? I propose they're gone already except for some individuals who will finally do the right thing, even though it may cost them their lives. Individuals are capable of morality, but American society? Hell most any society now? LOL! I don't see it, except to keep the people in their places.
The biggest gangstas of all run the show, and any who oppose them are crushed, and we still have most everyone convinced they're not working together, oh no, just follow the money, but even then they make excuses. It's very dodo like.