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blasphemy in US films and tv..why??

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posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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is this a conspiracy or just a stupid question???

this has always bugged me..alot more lately..its as if i sit down to watch a film and start counting the times some actor either says goddamn or jesus etc.

i absolutly DONT get this at all!! hollywood predominatley markets to america and the west, which still to this day is still mostly Christian.why all the blasphemy in films and on tv?? i know thats not how americans themselves speak being all PC and stuff. and why is it always Jesus's name?? why not buddah or mohammed or moses?? its blatant hatred to do it...so there must be heavy hatred within hollywood towards Jesus Christ. maybe im taking it to far in posting this but Jesus said the world hates and would hate him because he came to defeat evil and bring light to the darkness..offered the choice of light and the world clung to the darkness of sin.

this is also not a true representation, because im sure 99% of the actors dont blaspheme asmuch as they do in films either. most people dont even swear that much...if you were around someone who blasphemed more than 10 times an hour you'd ask whats the problem?

i guess most of the people hear dont care seeing as they are all pagans (still clinging to the darkness and denying the light)




posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:19 AM
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Hollywood has become anti christianity. Hollywood seems to support more pagan religions, lesbisim, bisexuality, muiltply sexual parnters, egoism. Hollywood it's self is an ideology it a religion. call it secularism, which is also in france, britian, australia. Now it's infection europe, south america.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:51 AM
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the world is ever changing and people are starting to see the literal version of christianity for what it is. deal with it. i feel for ya man though, you have no idea what your mising out on. i can show you the door but your the one that must walk through it.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 07:27 AM
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mutehalo, well if that were true, then why not ignore it altogether? Why relentlessly attack it if its something one doesn't believe? Now, I'll be the first to admit that liberal hollywood is a mecca for hypocrisy and I doubt many, other than those preaching from a scripted playbook, could argue against that. However, if there is truth to this conspiracy of blasphemy, that would mean that there is a hidden subversive agenda by the hollywood left would it not? I don't mind that you've found the door and by all means, show to anyone you wish, but if you and the rest of them are so glad to be out, why keep coming back in?



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 07:47 AM
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It's not blasphemy, except in the eyes of christians.

It's just an expression of exclamation. Every culture does it, each in their own way. In Western culture, jesus, god, hell, heaven, etc are all powerful words, and therefore subconsciously come to the fore when making an exclamation.

If you're not a christian, which most people aren't, it's no different than #, # or wanker.

At the end of the day, it's how real people talk, and Hollywood is just mirroring that

EDIT : Hollywood isn't anti-christian, rather some christians are anti Hollywood.



[edit on 10-8-2004 by muppet]



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 07:48 AM
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I don't think holywood is anti-christian, I think they just don't give a crap about it. If they didn't push the limits of what was socially acceptable then there would never be any forward progress in the entertainment industry. Granted I'm not endorsing all that holywood does (I think they are a bunch of soul-less superficial llamas) I don't see it as an anti-christian effort. As for using another diety like buddah or mohammed/allah, those religions don't have the numbers here in the US that christianity still claims to have, and most of the actors probably were exposed to some forms of christanity, so thats the names they know.


df1

posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 07:51 AM
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Fundamentalist Christians give all of Christianity a bad name because they are intolerant of the beliefs of others. This "Jesus said it, I believe it, that settles it" mentality could be acceptable excepting for the fact they that they demand that everyone else share it by trying to impose their moral will politically. Fundamentalist do no speak for God and they should freaking leave everybody else alone. Failure to do so will result in a well deserved smack down. The Masonry threads on ATS are an excellent example.
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posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by df1
Failure to do so will result in a well deserved smack down. .



Threats of violence toward other members are not permitted. This thread didn't suppose to assert beliefs upon those who do not share them only to question the use of religious terms by those who supposedly don't believe them.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 08:58 AM
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I may be wrong here....but doesn't the Christian bible say something about Christians being held responsible for the way in which "the word" is taken or looked at, by the way in which they, Christians conduct themselves? It presents an extremely bad view of Christianity, when most Christians are constantly closed minded, unforgiving, and holier than thou....it looks bad on the religion as a whole.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Everytime im in line at a grocery store there is always like 10 different magazines in the aisles. What I dont get is that on the cover (or the whole magazine) are these hollywood actors and actresses. I really dont care whos baby is whos, and who gaining weight and losing weight. 50 best and worst dressed people? Isnt there like over 250 million in the US? Its like we are supposed to worship these actors and its crap. Also, I was watching a movie and before it started, some guy came on and was saying stuff about copyrights and blah blah blah. Why should they be upset? Most movies that come out make 30-50 million dollars before it hits blockbuster and cable! BOO hollywood BOO. You do make good movies but im not "worshiping you" you should be kissing my feet!



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by foxtrot_uniform
I really dont care whos baby is whos, and who gaining weight and losing weight. 50 best and worst dressed people?


Someone like me......yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! I am SO not into celebrity garbage! I too don't give a rats patootie who's sleeping with whom or who wears what! I think these silly ridiculous reality shows are utterly the bottom of the barrel...I didn't know who the hell the "Paris" sisters were until a show about them was created and I saw a commercial...and now that I do, I can't figure out "why" they are anything.....
This stuff bothers me much more than people saying GD in movies...though I will admit, I do not use that term myself.....not because I am Christian, which I am NOT....but because I find it rude within myself to to be disrespectful to any God....whether it's mine or not..... that's just my outlook



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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Movies, television, Hollywood, etc are not about spreading religion or not spreading it. Their purpose is to make money. If they can use a religion to make a profit then they will, but it has nothing to do with religion itself.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:52 AM
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Thats my point Lady V or rather the point I take from the original poster. I'm not religious either but if one is not religious, why use reference to a religion in a disrespectful way? I'm not Islamic but I don't blaspheme against it in my daily life either.

In my opinion, anyone who uses the blasphemest form of a religion does in fact believe in the religion, they are just on the opposite side of said religion. If one is anti-christian, then the correct and expected behavior would be blasphemy thus confirming a true belief in it merely opposing it..because why oppose something you don't believe in? Thats like lighting a flaming bag of dog doo on the porch of an abandoned house. You have to believe someone is at home before going to all that trouble now don't you? If you don't believe in a religion at all, then using its blasphemy would be a useless and meaningless waste of breath.

Thats why I think there may be something to this theory of a hollywood conspiracy. I must admit I found it weak at first and almost trashed it but I began to think about it and there is some possibility.

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posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 10:55 AM
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I think it's more like muppet said above......I think they are mimicking society as a whole and simply using dialog that the general public uses...



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 03:58 PM
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I beileve it's an instance of art trying to model itself after life. People say oh god all the time. I'm not a Christian and even I say things like oh god and Jesus as exclamations, it's just part of the American culture.

As for the sex, well I don't think there's quite THAT much sex in real life, but it is out there and it's actually pretty common. As a college student I can personally verify that sex is pretty much just a part of everyday life, it happens. It also sells like no other which is probably the major motivation in TV and cinema.

Now when it comes to the violence, I don't think that reflects life as much. I haven't blown up a city bus as far as I can recall, and I don't really see others doing it too much. I have been in fights before though, and I have been in situations where I have carried weapons, but the ammount of violence in media is not incative of society. The media does exaggerate the violence but as long as people see it as fantasy and not a life model I don't see too much of a problem with it.

Well I hope that covers a bit of the so called blasphemy in the media. I also disagree with you on one more key point: You say that the west (I assume you mean the Americas and Europe) is Christian and traditionally has been. I follow you this far (although the percentage of Christians is dropping in many areas) but you then use this to frame your question against the blasphemy. Now, I am a non-Christian, in fact a vast majority of my friends are not Christians (probably because I live in the most ethnically varied area of my section of the nation) but here is my point. You do not have to watch or listen to the images and sounds that you think are blasphemy! And your implication that you believe that because a majority of people in given area are Christian should dictate the entertainment for the area is frankly insulting.

You seem to think that because the overall west is a (slim) majority Christian other religions should have to bow to your morality. I looked up some things:
In my district the majority religion is Atheist according to the US Census. Several districts in and around Detroit are majority Islamic and so many regions of Great Britan are Hindu that the most favored food in the country now is curry. My point is that the west is not as Christian as you implied and as such, I believe that Christians should have to do as every other religion has to in America: choose what you want to watch based upon your own ethics. It's not too much to ask.

Blessed Be
~Astral



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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It does bother that hollywood is using the Lord's name in a negative way...but taking the Lord's name in vain is not about using His name in that manner but in praying repetitiously. By that I mean if you can say prayers and at the same time think about car repairs or grocery lists...then you are taking the Lord's name in vain.

I do have a major problem with Hollywood or other sources of film, that make movies or documentaries which take completely out of context what's written in the Bible; or portray Jesus as a grinning idiot (as one network did just after the release of The Passion) who was confused and disorganized in His intentions and actions, while portraying Judas as a misunderstood follower. That really yanks my chain. The documentary by Peter Jennings concerning Paul was an out and out plan to discredit him. Jennings emphasizing 'theories' and speaking in a derogatory tone when referring to...'as the Bible says'. If you're going to tell a story about a man and yet use 'theory and hearsay' for your evidence rather that what he himself said then you are a fraud...WITH AN AGENDA !

If Jennings or any form of media spoke this way about any other religion (excluding Judaism) they would have to make a public apology because the 'morality' groups would be all over them. You will never hear Hollywood say a negative thing about Kabbalah, Buddhism, New Age, etc, but anything goes with Christianity and Judaism.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 06:53 PM
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dont read to much in to it, they they jesus, or god insted of # or #,
why? because darnit sounds to corney....



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 08:20 PM
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Hollywood

While holly is a type of tree, I find the similarity between the words "holly" and "holy" interesting. Anyone who has read the Old Testament knows that a trees were frequently associated with pagan idolatry. For example:

KJV 2 Kings 17:9-11
17:9 And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.
17:10 And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree:
17:11 And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as did the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger:

Hollywood cares about more than just making money. If that was truly all they cared about, they would make more Biblically based films. Look how much money the Passion made. Protestant Christians are so starved for such cinema that they went and saw a film that was 100% Catholic and were brainwashed by their pastors/mind-controllers to believe it was a good thing. Everyone in this world has an agenda. Everyone starts their day hoping to accomplish something, whether its simply to earn enough money to eat and pay the bills, to find love, or to build a better rocket ship. It stands to reason that people who are more intelligent and complicated have more intelligent and complicated agendas. Many more people watch television and movies than read newspapers and novels, thus Hollywood has a tremendous amount of influence and power over the general populace. Anyone who believes that this power would not be used by those in the ruling class to accomplish their goals is naive.

As far as the apparently anti-Christian Hollywood stance, here's some information which may provide clues as to why this is so.


Fox
William Fox (born Wilhelm Fried in January 1, 1879 - 1952) was the founder of Fox Film Corporation, now 20th Century Fox.

Wilhelm Fried was born to German Jewish parents in Tulchva, Austria-Hungary.

He set up the Fox Film Corporation in 1915.

From en.wikipedia.org...


MGM (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)
Marcus Loew - Movie theather magnate. "the son of Jewish Austrian immigrants"
From entertainment.msn.com...
Louis B. Mayer - Studio boss. "Born Eliezer Meir [Jewish name] in Minsk, Russia, (now Belarus)"
From en.wikipedia.org...
Irving Thalberg - Head of production. Also a Jew.


Paramount
Adolph Zukor founded Paramount Pictures Studios in 1913. "He was born in Hungary of Jewish parents, and came to this country when 16 years old." From www.cinemaweb.com...


Universal
Carl Laemmle - founder. "German-born Jew "
From history.sandiego.edu...

"The Hollywood film industry's founders were mainly Jewish refugees from Eastern and Central Europe with their American progeny."
From - www.javari.com...

Columbia
Harry Cohn - Founder. "The son of an immigrant Polish-Jewish tailor,"
From www.britannica.com...

Warner Bros.
Henry, Albert, Sam, and Jack.
Jack was "the youngest of 12 children of Jewish immigrants from Poland "
From schwinger.harvard.edu...

See also www.cinerhama.com...
entertainingamerica.thejewishmuseum.org...

So, it seems that the majority of the major Hollywood production studios were started by men of Jewish lineage. If anyone is not aware of this, Judaism is in fact a vehemently anti-Christian religion. That may be the reason for the apparent bias against Christianity in Hollywood.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 08:34 PM
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i know thats not how americans themselves speak being all PC and stuff.

Jesus H Christ, are you still self censoring y'selves? You do know that the Soviets coined and perfected 'Political Correctness" eh? Christ almighty, are you saying that the US has morphed into a commie nation? We ourselves are just emerging from a decade of PCness, thinking how in gods name did we ever fall for that BS



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Ischyros
So, it seems that the majority of the major Hollywood production studios were started by men of Jewish lineage. If anyone is not aware of this, Judaism is in fact a vehemently anti-Christian religion. That may be the reason for the apparent bias against Christianity in Hollywood.



This is entirely true, i agree 100%



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