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You people do know the Bible says we don't go to heaven, or the lake of fire when we die, right?

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posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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reply to post by JeshurunAndronicus
 


I read it two times in one year.. lol. On my third read now. Let me guess, you read it 10 times in one year, right? Cause you obviously trying to out do me, which I don't mind, I just find it funny.




posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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reply to post by HolyandClean
 



You are so narrow minded you can only talk scripture.

Fill up any Stadium. Read one verse.

Get ready for 80,000 different opinions.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
reply to post by HolyandClean
 


I must say i love your way of thought,but some of the things you say don't sound very christian at all.
You sound very boastful and angry and you know very well that is not love....I am trying to be a true soldier of God,but it is hard,it is an everyday struggle,and i sin every single day.
You should be more humble and try to praise God with your life instead of praising yourself.

God bless you all


Goes to show what you know about love. Love is simply keeping the 10 commandments. Those 2 great commandments are the 10 commandments summed up!

Romans 13:9

King James Version (KJV)

9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You love God by keeping the first 4 commandments. Keep His sabbath day, don't say His name in vain, don't serve any other gods, but Him, and don't make unto thee any graven image of anything. You love your neighbor by keeping the last 6 commandments. You wouldn't steal from your neighbor, you wouldn't kill them, you wouldn't lie on them, honor thy father and thy mother, so that your days may be long.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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reply to post by whyamIhere
 


Whatever you say. The difference between me and them, is that all my other scriptures back up the scriptures I post. The Bible reinforces itself.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Forevever
Be wary of all threads containing, "You people do know ________ right?"

You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?

55 pages....



LOL
to your post omg not this again

And that thread got closed .. guess he is on to the scriptures road to heaven and after he finds out scriptures is not what matters its something more to it than that which im afraid he hasnt found .. only thing I know is I sure wouldnt rely on a book to save me and get me into heaven ..oh by the way im not sure where heaven is exactly
do they have a free lunch program??



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Victor03
reply to post by HolyandClean
 


OP - You are mixing Old Testament up with New Testament Theology. JESUS CHANGED EVERYTHING. When we die in Faith and Service to Christ we will be with him in Paradise. Jesus told the repenting criminal on the cross that he would be in paradise along side him that day. No offense but you need to study who Jesus was and what he did for us all. His sacrifice of blood and life sealed our bond from death and the devil as his followers. I will admit there is some disagreement in the Christian theological schools on this subject...but Jesus said it himself ... Id believe him.


No, Jesus said "I say unto thee TODAY, thou shalt be with me in paradise." Jesus said in John 3:13 NOBODY has went to heaven but Him. So you making that scripture mean what you want it to mean would make Jesus a hypocrite, and it WOULD NOT BE A SMART THING TO DO.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Don't like it? Leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay here, are they?

As I was saying, nobody goes to heaven or the lake of fire when they die. The scriptures say they are reserved for judgment.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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This video is titled, "The fallacies about going to heaven".

The going to heaven doctrine has too many holes in it.

Teaching this lesson will be Brother Danny. Get your KJV Bible, and follow along. All we do is read scripture.

You will be astonished at our doctrine, like they were astonished at Christ's doctrine in His day.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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I appreciate what you are trying to do.

I can see you love the Lord. I am also glad your clean.

Jesus never shoved his teachings down anyone's throat.

Instead of arguing and pretending we understand everything in the Book.

You might try a little less confrontational approach.

Just my opinion.....Peace and Understanding....God Bless.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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This lesson is titled, "Does man ascend into heaven?"

People really want to know what happens after death. Here is your chance.

Teaching this lesson will be Brother Danny.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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You people mistake boasting with confidence. I have confidence in my doctrine. I have yet to be stumped, or caught off guard. I know the reason because of that is because the Lord is with me. The scribes and pharisees were always trying to catch Jesus off guard, like people do me all the time. But they never did, cause He was the Word of God.

Oh, I love my neighbors. To preach this gospel takes real love. Because most people will hate you for it. My own family doesn't like what i'm doing. The Master said if they have persecuted Him, they will also persecute us. No servant is greater than his Master.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by SaberTruth
 


When the master says nobody goes to heaven, that's exactly what he means.

Why would Jesus need to come back and raise the dead if they are already in heaven? Makes no sense.


You are right why would Jesus need to come back, why would Jesus need to come in the first place, and why wouldn't god just make it, so it was. seems to just make it a mind game, if god wanted something why would he not just have it?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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When I said how many times you've read the Bible and I have I meant only to suggest that it isn't how many times you've read it that matters but how you have contemplated it and how you are able to comprehend it, I didn't mean to be offensive and I am sorry if you interpreted it as such.

As I mentioned before, I've only read it seven times. Congratulations on reading it many times as you have then (for it is an admirable thing).

I meant my post only as a declaration of my own opinion to your piece not to be boastful. I again apologize for such.

I will say this though, the devil can quote Scripture for his cause and just because one is able to manifest Scripture to one's viewpoint doesn't mean it is correct. For Satan's Scripture was correct when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness but was ultimately wrong. I don't mean to call you the devil but I only use it to show my point.

We know not anything of God's wisdom for it is eternally but we know how to have the ability to be with Him. With love, for this is the fulfillment of the commandments.

Romans 13:10
"Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Beyond this is speculation on our part. But as long as we rest upon love we know we are with God and He is with us.

This is what I wish to establish as fact.

I wish you only the best and I hope God will be with you for you have tremendous zeal for Him. Just I hope for you to be more calm, for sometimes I perceive you have some hostility in your answers. (Forgive me if this is offensive to you)



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
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Gee, a bunch of opinion, but less scriptures. smh.


My "opinion" is strictly based off the scripture. Unlike you i'm sure accepts the opion of 12 anonymous individuals, that places their distorted opions in a watchtower. Discreet slaves right? You seriously came to the incorrect site to try to sale you JW doctrine.
How aout instead of being slave to that so called kingdom, do your on research, because not everything in that bible is accurate.

1 John 2:27 "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him."



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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Here's one I've never gotten an answer for.

In the Old Testimate, god didn't send sinners to hell. I repeat, it's obvious he thought death in this life was to be their punishment, not "Oh, you'll suffer for it later".

I know there probably is an answer for this, but when did his mindset change? The answer probably involves jesus changing the system, but what kind of change is that? "I used to kill the sinners, but now I'll let them live, I'll just inhumanely torture them for eternity instead."



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx
Here's one I've never gotten an answer for.

In the Old Testimate, god didn't send sinners to hell. I repeat, it's obvious he thought death in this life was to be their punishment, not "Oh, you'll suffer for it later".

I know there probably is an answer for this, but when did his mindset change? The answer probably involves jesus changing the system, but what kind of change is that? "I used to kill the sinners, but now I'll let them live, I'll just inhumanely torture them for eternity instead."

This is the KJV..I have other versions too.
This can be quite disturbing to read. I have read the Bible through 3 times in my life and it never ceases to really stagger me when reading the old testament. It is filled with violence and mass murder and war. I still believe that the prophets biased opinions have gotten in the way so many times. Like these...
This is God talking to his Chosen saying to them if they don't obey him this is the punishment and will send 7 times more plaques upon them. also this
Leviticus 26; 22....I will also send wild beast among you, which will rob you of your children and destroy your cattle, and make you few in numbers; and your highways shall be desolate.
1 Samuel 15: 3...This is God's punishment on Amalek for what they did to his Chosen
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
This is hard to read...yes their enemies did things to the Chosen but these are suppose to be God's children also and the Chosen are quite brutal when it comes to obeying God's instructions to kill their enemies.

That has always confused me too and there is things like this all through the Old testament. God is God...I thought He loved everyone, but in the Old testament He definitely takes sides with the Chosen. and leads them into battle against their enemies.
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edit on 17-6-2011 by ellieN because: added paragraph



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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JW was one of the religions I was in for a year or so, The list goes on others too. Now if any of you are in this religion, I don't mean to offend you. I just could not be hypocritical and say I believe all that is in your doctrine.
I still have JW friends who come to my home and try to pull me back into the fold. They have been bringing literature and quoting scriptures for 15 years now! These are good people and are devout to their belief and don't give up either!!! So are my friends from other churches and these also try to pull me back into what they are so devout in.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by ellieN
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JW was one of the religions I was in for a year or so, The list goes on others too. Now if any of you are in this religion, I don't mean to offend you. I just could not be hypocritical and say I believe all that is in your doctrine.
I still have JW friends who come to my home and try to pull me back into the fold. They have been bringing literature and quoting scriptures for 15 years now! These are good people and are devout to their belief and don't give up either!!! So are my friends from other churches and these also try to pull me back into what they are so devout in.



I find this very interesting. Are they still your friends? The Jehovahs Witnesses here, strongly believe you can't be friends with someone who left 'the truth', and that any relationships should be avoided. if they were baptized it's chalked up to being 'disfellowshiped' and all interactions are to be avoided.

Outside of my immediate family, most witnesses will avoid interacting, even in obnoxious ways. (I personally feel this is a very clever conspiracy to keep witnesses scared from leaving, and unable to hear why anyone wouldn't believe their faith, but that's going off topic).

I'm just curious, is it really that different with them where you live? You would honestly never hear of a witness hanging around an ex-witness up here.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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A couple of scriptures, boohoo.


You need 3 or more scriptures to justify what you are saying.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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That's about right.

Revelation 21:8

King James Version (KJV)

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And if anyone here takes the mark of the beast, or worship him, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:9-11

King James Version (KJV)

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

DO NOT TAKE THE MARK. No matter what! Fear Him who can kill both body and soul, but don't fear him who can kill the body!




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