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Arizona Police Officer Execute Man For Telling Them They Needed A Warrant

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
 




I have read through most of the posts here and no one is seriously attempting to defend this guy.

I think you are being unreasonable to believe you have some sort of inside knowlege on the frequency of police brutality and murder and how much of it gets reported. In fact, you are speculating and have no inside knowlege.

Again, speculation. You have absolutely no factual basis to make this determination. You are now merely providing your opinion in an attempt to further your agenda against police.


Actually, with 10 to 20 unique posting per day its easy to conclude, the majority of LEO's are in fact nothing more then common thugs with a monopoly on violence.



From January 2010 through December 2010 the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project recorded 4,861 unique reports of police misconduct that involved 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers and 6,826 alleged victims.

4,861 – Unique reports of police misconduct tracked
6,613 - Number of sworn law enforcement officers involved (354 were agency leaders such as chiefs or sheriffs)
6,826 - Number of alleged victims involved
247 – Number of fatalities associated with tracked reports
$346,512,800 – Estimated amount spent on misconduct-related civil judgments and settlements excluding sealed settlements, court costs, and attorney fees.

2010 Annual Report of Police Misconduct
That works out to 13 reports a day
18 cops a day
2 persons murdered every 3 days
at a cost of $949,350.00 per day

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Does that count lawsuits? It is always the city or state that gets sued, not individuals.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Does that count lawsuits? It is always the city or state that gets sued, not individuals.

I believe it is just lawsuits against the state



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Lesson learned.
Never call the police over a family argument.
(unless of course you are in bodily danger)
And ...if you must call the police; ask a neighbor to "puppy sit" your dog.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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If you call the police over an argument, you are a retard. There is no law against arguments. I would never call the cops, unless there was a corpse I need cleaned up, after I took care of whatever problem arose.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Lesson learned.
Never call the police over a family argument.
(unless of course you are in bodily danger)
And ...if you must call the police; ask a neighbor to "puppy sit" your dog.

Don't forget the most important weapon the police fear the most

The video camera. I use it all the time, and I'll tell you this, their behaviour changes the minute you make it clear they are being recorded. That, in and of itself shows the true nature of the LEO. If they are being filmed and know it, they act responsible (for the most part) other wise it is business as usual.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I wouldn't tell them unless I felt my life was in danger. Then even if it wasn't true I would tell them I have hidden cameras everywhere! Let them taze me, or whatever, I will be rich later



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by OhZone
 



If you call the police over an argument, you are a retard. There is no law against arguments. I would never call the cops, unless there was a corpse I need cleaned up, after I took care of whatever problem arose.

It would be nice to have the option not to call the police, unfortunately in the business I am in I have to report all incidents to the police that occur at work. Couple that with the fact my store is located on the corner of a business street in Phoenix, I tend to have to interact with these goons once a month on average. Add to that, Sheriff Joe, every year sets his "command post" up right in front of my store while he throws himself a block party, that interferes with my business, at the tax payers expense. And to add insult to injury, his jack boots "require" me to feed them at a cost lower then the public and cant even give a thank you for the burden they place on my business. This year, they walked in in the middle of my lunch rush, ordered 25 pizzas and got rather upset that it was going to be 20 to 30 mins before they got them.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by NuroSlam
And to add insult to injury, his jack boots "require" me to feed them at a cost lower then the public and cant even give a thank you for the burden they place on my business. This year, they walked in in the middle of my lunch rush, ordered 25 pizzas and got rather upset that it was going to be 20 to 30 mins before they got them.


Are you really that much of a wuss that you cant tell them no when it comes to giving them a discount on food ordered? Secondly, they cant force you to give them a discount, so trying to play it off like the "jack booted thugs" force that is just your way of pandering to the cop haters on this forum while trying to play the victim, which you are not, unless we expand the defitnion of victim to include those who have no spine and the onlything holding them upright is the starch in their shirt.

But hey, if that works for you... I guess feel free to keep playing the system.

As far as the op article. The cops dont need a warrant to enter the persons house since mom said they could go in. We only have one side of ths story, distraught mom with the penache of overdramatising what happened in order to pander to the media. I am curious what the police side of the story is.






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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by NuroSlam

Originally posted by OhZone
Lesson learned.
Never call the police over a family argument.
(unless of course you are in bodily danger)
And ...if you must call the police; ask a neighbor to "puppy sit" your dog.

Don't forget the most important weapon the police fear the most

The video camera. I use it all the time, and I'll tell you this, their behaviour changes the minute you make it clear they are being recorded. That, in and of itself shows the true nature of the LEO. If they are being filmed and know it, they act responsible (for the most part) other wise it is business as usual.


I didnt realie you spoke for all law enforcement when it comes down to being recorded. Do you go out of your way to create false reasons to get law enforcement to you so you can pull out your camera and go to town with your movie magic?
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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By require being in quotes i meant they ask for a better discount, I do not give cops discounts more then what is advertised.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

I didnt realie you spoke for all law enforcement when it comes down to being recorded. Do you go out of your way to create false reasons to get law enforcement to you so you can pull out your camera and go to town with your move magic?

I am not speaking for LEO's, I was relating my experience, I go out of my way to avoid cops. If you bothered to actually read what I said, I HAVE to deal with these people frequently, Last week one of my drivers was at a stop light, the cop passed, turned around came back and pulled my driver over, he "claimed" my driver was going to run a red light. when in fact it is legal to turn on red on that corner, and that he was stopped at the red light long enough for the cop to pass and turn around.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by NuroSlam
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By require being in quotes i meant they ask for a better discount, I do not give cops discounts more then what is advertised.


Really... I didnt realize require was akin to asking for a discount. Require would mean they forceed you to give them a discount, which by your own admission is incorrect.

If you have an issue with law enforcement, feEl free to broadcast it. However, when the "issue" is made up / contrived in an effort to gain a reaction from people who are told what to think by others and hate the police because the same people are to lazy or ignorant to learn how the law works, the suggestion would be to save it.

You stated they "required" you to feed them at a better discount, and then you stated you wont give them a better discount than whats alrady given to the public.

Did you intend to lie and mislead the people reading your post?

As I said, I dont have issue with people who dont care for cops. I do have issues when those people decide to make up stories and lie in an effort to paint a picture that is not true.

Also, since you are business, and a private one at that, and since you know the law, why dont you simply refuse to sell to law enforcement? As a Private business you have the right to refuse to service to any person you choose, and since its a private business, you are not required to explain your reason for refusal of service.

Or would that action briung suspsicion from the other group of people you cater to that appriceate local law enforcement and give you business because you "allow" the cops to use your facility and purchase food?

Please, why ndont you explain to us exactly which position it is you are trying to get across here? And if possible maybe you could tell th truth, instead of lieing and mking it look like you are forced to do something that you have admitted you are not.

Gee.. and people accuse the police of lieing / misleading people all the time. Sometimes I wonder how much of those complaints arent lies themselves.

Care to field that question? Or should we let the readers decide for themselves?
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by NuroSlam

Originally posted by Xcathdra

I didnt realie you spoke for all law enforcement when it comes down to being recorded. Do you go out of your way to create false reasons to get law enforcement to you so you can pull out your camera and go to town with your move magic?

I am not speaking for LEO's, I was relating my experience, I go out of my way to avoid cops. If you bothered to actually read what I said, I HAVE to deal with these people frequently, Last week one of my drivers was at a stop light, the cop passed, turned around came back and pulled my driver over, he "claimed" my driver was going to run a red light. when in fact it is legal to turn on red on that corner, and that he was stopped at the red light long enough for the cop to pass and turn around.



Well, since you have alraedy lied / misled peolple by your false claim of being "forced" to give a discount to cops when you clearly did not, why should we beleive you now?

I mean after all the common theme in this type of thread is to take the actions of one officer and transpose them onto the actions of ALL officers. So I gues if you lied, then we should transpose your I hate the cops mentality to every other person in this thread, and assume you all lie and make up bogus stories about the cops in an effort to paint them as something they are not to suit your petty issues from growing up...

Of course thats just a guess... but Ill go with it anyways.

As I stated before, as a private business you are not required to serve cops. You can refuse business to anyone you choose, without reason.

Yet you dont. Instead you tell us stories about how a cop turned around on your driver because they thought he was going to run a red light? How exaclty do you know this if the officer never stopped the person? We cant stop someone because we think they are going to break the law. We stop them because we have reasonable suspicion or PC that they DID break the law.

If this really did occur, you were obvuiously not present for it since you said it happened to one of your drivers. How do we know your driver is not lieing? Maybe he did turn when he was not suppose to in order to deliver the food in a timely manner, and lied to you to avoid being punished for being pulled over.

Are you going to give us any examples we can verify independently? You have mislead us once with your statements, why should we assume your not doing it again?


Actually.. dont bother answering. Just like the way the officer in the OP thread is guilty by actions, I will apply the same level of courtesy to you. You lied, got caught lying, then tried to play it off, which is actually beyond what the op officer did.

Huh.. I guess thats makes you worse than the officer.
Anyways.. You have lost your credibility.. Spare responding because all its going to to is force you to dig a deeper and deeper hole you cant crawl out of.

You hate the cops. Nothing more to say.
You make stories up because you hate the cops. Nothing more to say.

The difference between you and the officer in the OP. At least that officer stood by his actions, unlike you.

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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
You stated they "required" you to feed them at a better discount, and then you stated you wont give them a better discount than whats alrady given to the public.

Did you intend to lie and mislead the people reading your post?

You are right, the word I should have used was "expected". and before you go down the road of me being a drama queen, I will in fact give you the exchange.

4 Uniformed sheriffs deputies came into my store and ordered 25 pizzas. I rag up these pizzas, in formed them of the advertised sale price which Is on the door. At that point the head one said as if I was to stupid to understand they were in fact LEO's said "Come on, can't you do better then that? The sheriff is paying for this" I said no. I then asked them what time they would like the order and they said "Now". Understand, that 20 pizzas an hour plus sides is about maximum for one person to handle. I informed them it would be 30 to 40 mins. thats making 2 pizzas a minute ignoring all orders that were before it. The "leader" said "we need them sooner then that" I said "listen, at making 1 pizza per minute its going to be 25 mins before all the pizzas are even in the oven, you are welcome however to try somewhere else" his closing remark was "well just hurry up"


Also, since you are business, and a private one at that, and since you know the law, why dont you simply refuse to sell to law enforcement? As a Private business you have the right to refuse to service to any person you choose, and since its a private business, you are not required to explain your reason for refusal of service.

Or would that action briung suspsicion from the other group of people you cater to that appriceate local law enforcement and give you business because you "allow" the cops to use your facility and purchase food?

Please, why ndont you explain to us exactly which position it is you are trying to get across here? And if possible maybe you could tell th truth, instead of lieing and mking it look like you are forced to do something that you have admitted you are not.

I work for an international Pizza chain with 5000 plus stores just in the U.S. Company policy is no one can be refused service without documentation and permission from an area or higher manager.

As for the point I'm trying to make? Its pretty clear in all my posts, these LEO's are not Officers of the Peace, They are an organised group of criminals in clown suits with badges who have a monopoly on the use of violence, and believe they have the authority to rob, kidnap, imprison and murder people on a whim. The cost they tax payers in the area of a billion dollars a year dealing with their misconduct.

www.komonews.com...

You can sugar coat their behaviour all you want, but the truth of the matter is cops are out numbered 900 to 1, and its getting to the point that the people have had enough. [
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
Yet you dont. Instead you tell us stories about how a cop turned around on your driver because they thought he was going to run a red light? How exaclty do you know this if the officer never stopped the person? We cant stop someone because we think they are going to break the law. We stop them because we have reasonable suspicion or PC that they DID break the law.

He did infact stop my driver, detained him as he ran his license thus delaying my driver from his delivery causing a customers food to arrive late. When my driver returned he told me in broken english that the cop said he knew he weas going to run the light. As for cause? Because hes a mexican in arizona.


If this really did occur, you were obvuiously not present for it since you said it happened to one of your drivers. How do we know your driver is not lieing? Maybe he did turn when he was not suppose to in order to deliver the food in a timely manner, and lied to you to avoid being punished for being pulled over.
It happened at the intersection in front of my store, its hard not to see the lights flashing.


Are you going to give us any examples we can verify independently? You have mislead us once with your statements, why should we assume your not doing it again?


Actually.. dont bother answering. Just like the way the officer in the OP thread is guilty by actions, I will apply the same level of courtesy to you. You lied, got caught lying, then tried to play it off, which is actually beyond what the op officer did.

Huh.. I guess thats makes you worse than the officer.
Anyways.. You have lost your credibility.. Spare responding because all its going to to is force you to dig a deeper and deeper hole you cant crawl out of.

You hate the cops. Nothing more to say.
You make stories up because you hate the cops. Nothing more to say.

The difference between you and the officer in the OP. At least that officer stood by his actions, unlike you.

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I did not lie, i used the wrong word. You can believe what you will, I could care less what a thug cop thinks extra DIV



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Lets not forget about informants.They are criminals working for the police. They get away with theft, vandalism, etc due to their importance. They even get to do the drugs without fear.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
Lets not forget about informants.They are criminals working for the police. They get away with theft, vandalism, etc due to their importance. They even get to do the drugs without fear.


and they even let them out of prison to snitch and run stings



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Here we go with the cop bashing again. But theres more to the story that many here are already overlooking.

Kudos to the police officer backing up the mothers claims. Seems that his partner snapped. But he will be tried and if convicted (Let’s hope) sent to prison where he will be lucky to leave intact, if ever. Cops don’t do well in prisons. Unless they were already in cahoots with the guys already there.

Things happen fast and I would bet that the good cop in this situation didn't even know that his partner was going to shoot the man. I would like to know the time lag between shoots fired.

Feel good stories rarely make the news because they generate little interest. If it bleeds, it leads.


First of all their is no defence for either officers if their was need of a warrent and was not one they where commiting a crime and compounded it with murder. Just like if you are robbing a bank and your buddy goes nuts and starts killing people and you both get arested you both will be charged with murder so should both officers. Because even if your buddy starts killing and you say out loud this isnt right you are still responsable period and if we are held to this they should be also.
I do like the police in my area they are mostly great people thank god.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by SnakeShot
Far as I know they didn't need a warrant if the lady invited them in. If the kid was in his bedroom then that might be a different story?

I'm sure he'll get paid leave and then a slap on the wrist unfortunately.


Under the laws passed for so called terrorism most rights are LONG gone.

If they are in the southern half of Arizona the constitution doesn't even apply there.

100 miles of US border is Constitution free zone

Alot of ppl forget that EVERYTHING hitler did on the way to him seizing power was legal,
and I am not applying this to our president but the entire system going back years.

This started even before shrub " little bush" and its all been by design.


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