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School Principal - Bush's 9/11 actions were correct

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posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
There was absolutely NOTHING that G.W.
could have done to change what was happening during those first
five minutes. Nothing. He remained calm and then left.

You can say that with the benefit of hindsight, but they didn't know that then. (or did they?!)
They didn't know there weren't 100 hijacked planes. Thy didn't know there weren't biological weapons on those planes. When judging Bushes actions you shouldn't take into account information that was not available at that time..


If he had been in a panic, then the students would have paniced and frankly
a good deal of America would have paniced as well.


Nobody is suggesting he should have panicked. He should have acted calmly and decisively. The whole story of 911, according to the commision, was one of bad communication, and lack timely direction from the top. Maybe a Presidential kick in the butt would have had at least some effect on all this dithering? Isn't that what leaders are supposed to do? Lead?

The F16's at Langley would have been ordered to take off earlier than they did. Maybe the senior officials would have taken control earlier and more effectively, had he summoned them out of their :"do not disturb" meetings. He didn't do anything, not even communicate with his own people. If his intention was stay put, wouldn't he have at least said as much to his advisor, rather than leave his staff out in the cold?

I think Bush DID panic, and what we saw was his frozen-in-the-headlights stare.


[edit on 8-8-2004 by muppet]




posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by mrmulder

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Did any of you see the way Bush's eyes were darting about? And how his lips were pursed tight? That's what would have scared me if I were one of those kids. As puss-butt LImbaugh would say, he looked downright eeeeVil.


He looks like a monkey sometimes.
I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself. That probably would've scared me too. Especially those pursed lips. I wonder what he was thinking at that moment.


Probably something like this:

"DagBagget! Tricky Dick and Rummy never let me in on any of the action! It just ain't right! I'm the commander-of the-chief!?!"



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 01:34 PM
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I think its very possible that he knew exactly what was going on - this would help explain his lack of action.




posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 02:32 PM
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You know, I think what all the postings on this thread boil down to are either of two opinions:

1. I'm for Bush: therefore I claim that he was calm, cool and collected under fire that day and did what was prudent by taking to the skies in Air Force One.

2. I'm against Bush: therefore I claim that he was frozen and indecisive that day and ran away frightened in Air Force One.

No need to vote on this today; US citizens will get their chance in November. But I repeat: its so easy to analyse actions in hindsight and to be an armchair general.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
There was a lot of disinfo flying around that day. The story about airforce one being a target turned out to be false.


Okay, now I understand what you were saying. Yes, AirforceOne
being a target turned out to be false. But at the time, they thought
it was a target and acted accordingly.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by mrmulder
Now I heard that Air Force One did take off with President inside BUT no jet were scrambled to escort it. Now if that's true then the president must have felt safe with no escorts. But this is what I heard so it could be bogus.


I heard numerous stories from the press that were on the plane but
who were told to keep radio silence at the time (no cell phones, etc.)
that there were at least two fighters escorting them the whole time.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by muppet
They didn't know there weren't 100 hijacked planes. Thy didn't know there weren't biological weapons on those planes. When judging Bushes actions you shouldn't take into account information that was not available at that time..

The F16's at Langley would have been ordered to take off earlier than they did. Maybe the senior officials would have taken control earlier and more effectively, had he summoned them out of their :"do not disturb" meetings


Reference your first paragraph. You are right. I stand corrected. You
have moved my thoughts on this more towards your side of thought.
I still think his 'non panic' was the right way to go, but more communication
from him with his people might have been in order. However, we are looking at this in hindsight. We now are on a war footing. At that time, we were not at war AND an airplane hitting the WTC would have been thought to be an accident. A terrorist attack was remote and America being brought into a war in this fashion was even remoter.

Reference your second paragraph. No. The F16s wouldn't have been
ordered to take off earlier. I'm sure the higherups were NOT in 'do not disturb' meetings and that they were fully up and running on this the
minute it happened. That's what they are trained to do. The only thing
G.W. could have done 'more' would have been to order the airports closed and to shoot down civilian jetliners. At this point, it wouldn't have been a
prudent thing to do. He did that later on, but at that time, it wasn't the
correct response.

My brother is in the airforce. He was in the middle of a war 'excercise' when the word came through command that the balloon had gone up 'in the real world' and that the excercise was cancelled, etc. etc. This was within minutes of the second hit. I thought the officials in charge of security for our country did a fine job that day. Closing airspace was decisive and the correct thing to do. Scrambling the jets was the correct thing to do. Bush wouldn't have had the information to do that any quicker than the generals did and they were the ones calling the shots with real time information on the screens in front of them.

However, I do see your point on this. I have thought that if I had been
there that I would have evacuated the school to another building and sent the kids home. At that point they thought the terrorists knew G.W.'s schedule and that the president was a target, and thus the kids were thought to be in the line of fire.

I would have evacuated the school as soon as the president had left.
But that's me.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by AlexofSkye
its so easy to analyse actions in hindsight and to be an armchair general.


You are so right. And we are trying to analyse people's actions
after having lived on a war footing for three years. On 9/11
we were not at war and the thought of a terrorist attack on
American soil, let alone a Pearl Harbor style attack dragging
us into a world war, were unthinkable.

That's why I posted the story from the school principal.
She's an eyewitness to the events. Not just those on camera,
but those off camera that the rest of us didn't see. She saw
what was happening with the staff in the room and that
sort of thing. I consider her a valuable witness to history.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Reference your second paragraph. No. The F16s wouldn't have been
ordered to take off earlier.


Well I'm no expert in military procedure, so I'll concede that point. You may well be right in that there wasn't really anything he could directly do regarding the immediate threat.

There are of course lot's of questions from that day as to what could or should have been done differently, all of them in hindsight. As you say though, he was also in a known location, and it's common for terrorists to coordinate different kinds of attacks. I guess we disagree as to what else he should have done, or attempted to do, but certainly getting him out of there would have been sensible.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by muppet but certainly getting him out of there would have been sensible.


Yes. Him, and everyone else. I never understood why they didn't evacuate the school. They said that he was a target that day. That's what they thought. If that's the case ... all the kids and civilians were in the line of fire. My only real fault for that day on the administration was that they should have quickly evacuated the school - just in case.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Yes. Him, and everyone else. I never understood why they didn't evacuate the school. They said that he was a target that day. That's what they thought. If that's the case ... all the kids and civilians were in the line of fire.


Ahh...I guess that does make sense if they think there is a threat to the president. Evacuating the kids would potentially cause unnecessary panic. It's a tricky one, and I see the school teachers point of view with respect to the children. I suppose it comes down to a pretty cold decision as to how much threat you really think is there.

I wonder what the secret services were doing, and who was in charge of presidential protection at that time? If in times like this the Prez is waiting for the secret service to act, and they are waiting for the Prez to act, they really need to figure out a better system. 3 minute warnings obviously aren't enough for these people. thank god no-one was firing nukes at you!



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:46 PM
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There could have been 10 more planes in flight heading towards major targets or people with their fingers on the triggers of explosives waiting for their cue to push the buttons.....and still he just sat there, you better thank god that it didnt get any worse than it was that day, Bush was asleep at the wheel...try and give stupid explanations or wordsmith it anyway you like, he just sat there completly detatched from the situation.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 07:54 AM
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MUPPET - I don't know if you are still reading this thread ...

You'll have to wade through some stuff and find a link to another chat group and wade through that .... but the long and short of it is that during the 7 minutes Bush was still at the school, his Secret Service people were establishing phone lines and links with military commanders and with NORAD, etc. G.W. also didn't sit for the whole 7 minutes. He got up and made phone calls and had side conversations, off camera, while the teacher read. He came back and sat for a few minutes while the Secret Service at the school was busy getting things set up for him, etc.

www.conservativeunderground.com...

I'm going back to ... there wasn't anything else he could do during that seven minutes. It was all being done. I still think I would have evacuated the school when he left though.

These are the things that the teacher saw that we didn't. This is probably partly why she said that even though she's a democrat, she'd vote for G.W. because she saw what ALL of what was going on ... things we couldn't see.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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Hi flyersfan,

there's some unedited footage of Bush that morning, and a fairly damning indictment of his actions at www.thememoryhole.org. Worth a read. It also makes the point about the children's safety.

www.thememoryhole.org...

Looking at the footage, you can see it's at least five minutes before he speaks to anyone, and only then when his aide has approached him.

I think the Michael Moore footage was edited down to increase the pace on F9/11 (it needed it!) and this could have lead to suggestions of dishonest editing.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 08:40 AM
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The presidents security staff is supposed to remove the president to safety, immediately, he was told of the planes, he should have left the school his location was common knowledge, and any one of those planes could have been targeted at him, witch means by him sitting still he put all the childrens safety at risk
www.patriotsaints.com..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>
Bush Knew and did Nothing

Bush Knew



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by muppet It also makes the point about the children's safety.


Hey ya Muppet -

Hmmm. Interesting. I still wish we could see what was going on
BEHIND the camera. I know the Secret Service were busy getting
things done. You are right, one of those things would have been
to take G.W. to a safe place ... thinking that he was a target and
all. hmmmm. Did the secret service screw up in not taking him
out?

I keep going back to the kids ... if he was a target like they thought,
then the school should have been evacuated. The terrorists
had to know his schedule that day.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I know the Secret Service were busy getting
things done.


I'd agree with that. They would have know much more about what was going on than Bush. When they said "America is under attack", that was obviously a conclusion based on what had happened in the previous few minutes. In fact they should have been aware before Bush even entered the classroom that there was something seriously wrong. By that time there were a least 2 missing planes, one of which had just hit the the WTC. The first plane should have been tracked at least on radar as it entered the NY area, which was so obviously miles from it's intended destination. They HAD to know this was serious by then.

The secret services, most probably DID know more about what was going on at the time. I'd hope so anyway!



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