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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Ok coming to subject , you stated it "doesn't matter" which tells me that your just speaking according to your opponion , all im asking give me valid proof or counter proof that he was a liar




posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I think that since you started it on ATS, it will be for the best to continue it here. I am perfectly fine with your Albani.. Sorry, fluent Hebrew. My Jewish "warning something is phishy" alert is beeping too loud to allow chat.


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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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My issue with this thread is that you're taking something based on an interview with one person and presenting it as though it is a fact. One man does not speak for the world.

Anti-semitism does exist in this world. Frankly, the amount of different types of hatred in this world can be astonishing. Hatred of Blacks, of Muslims, of Jews... different cultures, religions, tribes, all of the above. Sometimes even members of the same group hate other subdivisions of their group. There is a lot of hatred in this world and no statement from one man will change that.

Some people are bigots, period. To excuse any type of hatred and bigotry is just wrong. This guy is/was not a spokesman for world Jewry or humanity for that matter. He can claim anti-Semitism as a distraction, others can claim it to be incorrectly phrased... it doesn't really matter. Semantics.

The bottom line is there are those in the world who have in them a baseless hatred for others who are different from them. There doesn't have to be a reason for hate.

My personal opinion? Bigotry is the biggest flaw in humanity. Think of how many have died due to such hatred. It is not to be explained away by some guy's interview 30+ years ago. Hate exists everywhere and causes damage every day.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Disputing the meaning of the term ''anti-Semitism'' is just arguing about semantics, and teetering on the brink of becoming an etymological fallacy.

The term is universally understood to imply prejudice against Jewish people, even if the basic meaning of ''against Semitic people'' doesn't strictly match this understanding.

Prejudice towards Jews exists, so ''anti-Semitism'' is just the term which is used to express this concept. If this term wasn't used, then another would be found which communicates the same idea.

It's no big deal, really.

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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Ofcouse, but all the answers i've got are extremely weak homie.Is he a liar?proof it..simple english
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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I had never heard of this man until today. His boss, yes. I live in Manhattan and our Convention Center is named after his boss. But him... no.

As far as his statement goes, no I don't consider him a liar, because to be a liar you have to assume he knew something and intentionally misrepresented it. I don't believe he did that.

I believe his opinion on this was mistaken.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Put it this way , your an ATS admin And his a influential political person so you expect me to accept your statement a "No Offence" minor person like you? i do not think so , i believe Him.Still weak homie
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Ok coming to subject , you stated it "doesn't matter" which tells me that your just speaking according to your opponion , all im asking give me valid proof or counter proof that he was a liar

Actually - you stated that it doesn't matter. And indeed, i speak out what my opinion is. I do not warp others words or make false claims so take it as it is.
I cannot prove you that he is a liar since i know to little about the thing except of pile of garbage i had to read today.
I can tell you that i suspect that he is a liar for following reasons:
What he claims was interview with Rosenthal was revealed only after Rosenthal was murdered.
What is inside this "interview" stinks like a pile of ,errr,something.
Part two of the "interview" was released decades later, even though Rosenthal was dead and obviously could not add anything.
Again, read this - well,steaming pile of hate. He really thinks that Jews are anti Christ. He clearly states it. On the same page he claims that Jews told him there is no such thing as Anti-Semitism.
Hilarious.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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"Jews are anti Christ. He clearly states it. On the same page he claims that Jews told him there is no such thing as Anti-Semitism."


LINK PLS



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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In that case I have no idea what you want here.

You have decided that a 40 year old interview with a politician's aide (printed posthumously) is gospel.

My belief is that his statement is either incorrect or misquoted.

It has nothing to do with who I am personally and I'm not sure why you think it does. I'm a username on a discussion forum.

I don't know why you want proof that the opinion of a politician's aide was true or false, nor do I know what sort of proof you would be requesting anyways.

Perhaps I can find an aide to a current politician who is of the Jewish faith and he can say the opposite?

The guy had an opinion. Other people disagree.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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LINK PLS

Am i to understand that you did not read it all? You know, i am not afraid to post the link since anyone with half a brain can see what it all is. Hope you will enjoy it.
www.antichristconspiracy.com...



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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This is abovetopsecret , exploding the truth , not bull so im here for the truth.So brother i dont think i'll get the answer but im not denying my jewish cousins , we all have our opponions and i have many respect but i do not respect soothsayers and booollsheeeters



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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LOL read this link
www.rense.com...


Why would he go against his own people?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Djarums
My issue with this thread is that you're taking something based on an interview with one person and presenting it as though it is a fact. One man does not speak for the world.

Anti-semitism does exist in this world. Frankly, the amount of different types of hatred in this world can be astonishing. Hatred of Blacks, of Muslims, of Jews... different cultures, religions, tribes, all of the above. Sometimes even members of the same group hate other subdivisions of their group. There is a lot of hatred in this world and no statement from one man will change that.

Some people are bigots, period. To excuse any type of hatred and bigotry is just wrong. This guy is/was not a spokesman for world Jewry or humanity for that matter. He can claim anti-Semitism as a distraction, others can claim it to be incorrectly phrased... it doesn't really matter. Semantics.

The bottom line is there are those in the world who have in them a baseless hatred for others who are different from them. There doesn't have to be a reason for hate.

My personal opinion? Bigotry is the biggest flaw in humanity. Think of how many have died due to such hatred. It is not to be explained away by some guy's interview 30+ years ago. Hate exists everywhere and causes damage every day.


sure Bigotry is a big and real thing and semantics asside is that this author meant to outline the fact that some use the term anti-semantic as a weapon to silence otehrwise valid critisizm.

Just my take as for Bigotry starting wars maybe but rarely imo tho it does lead to scapegoating and inqualities in many societies. Why do you think in America women make up 50 % of the population but are only represented by 5% of the congress.
Or conversly how do you explain zionist make up far less than 1% of the poplulation own a godly part of the most powerful positions in your ruling coprate government?

See now saying that last part is anti-semantic is bull and thats the point here I think....



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
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Read the whole context pls , not one part to justify slight approval..Ok 2 yr old will agree


Wow, thanks for informing me of something I already admitted to being in the wrong about. Also something for which I had already expressed my views for under the corrected context.

If you want me to take the whole context and break it down, maybe you should include the reason this statement was made, and not just the statement itself. Wouldn't that help to get the actual context? You are asking people to discuss a statement taken out of context while telling them to take it in its whole context...hmmmm.

Anyway...

In context:
“Anti-Semitism does NOT signify opposition to Semitism...It is an expression we use effectively as a SMEARWORD, used to brand anyone who brings criticism against us.”

This is an opinion. It does not imply fact. As I stated in both my previous posts, I agree that anti-Semitism is used to describe people who are against Jews, and not with it's correct connotation. That's my perception of the world I live in. But I don't know how it is in Africa, Asia, Antarctica, or anywhere outside the world I am able to observe. Maybe in those places everyone uses 'anti-semitic' in its proper connotation. Unless you can view the world in its entirety, this statement cannot actually be proven true or false, or right or wrong.

Also, since I don't have the context of this statement, I cannot know who is being described by the pronoun "we". Without this knowledge, it is impossible to even begin to argue for or against this point. Therefore the only response to the core idea of the OP is 'inconclusive'.

"THERE IS NO SUCH THING.”

This statement could be proven wrong. "I hate Semitic's and/or Semitism!" This is not my actual view, but the law of probability says that there is at least one person in the world that has this view. And if even one person has this view, this statement is wrong.

Satisfied? No? Then grab Snickers...
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Your opponion? still weak.i wonder what would happened if we went to court? Evidence



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Anyways guys i see im alone here, maybe it was my mistake for putting a subject like this.I'll never get the truth from the rulers of the words



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
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Your opponion? still weak.i wonder what would happened if we went to court? Evidence


Went to court over what? My argument is that there is no evidence, so what evidence are you talking about. Did you even read my post?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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nvm, 2 yr old still don't get it.Can you see what you've input your comments?

"This is an opinion."


clever but still it tells me your opinion.Plus "It does not imply fact" what you've said which is true.Yah Digg


Goodday
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
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nvm 2 yr old still don't get it.Can you see what you inputted your comments?

"This is an opinion."

clever but still it tells me your opponion.Yah Digg


Goodday


So my opinion that this is an opinion is wrong? Sorry, but you can factually call something an opinion, as I gave you proof of with my earlier post. As far as a response to your comment of, "Can you see what you inputted your comments?", that really doesn't make much sense to me. Sounds like a 2 year old typing.

ETA: I can only foretell that your future response will continue to be childish and not for the pursuit of an answer to your questions, so with that I say goodbye.
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