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reply posted on 19-6-2011 @ 03:27 AM by LightAssassin
reply to post by DJW001


Read my post, I am not disagreeing with anyone suggesting it is apparent retrograde motion. I AM saying it suffered this over the course of those co-ordinates whereas this other bloke wants to deny there is any motion whatsoever. Thats all.


reply posted on 19-6-2011 @ 03:49 PM by alfa1
Originally posted by jumpspace
So, it's now up to alfa1 et al to tell us why the above image does not include the turning dates that you have now shown


Well the answer there would be that the site where I grabbed that image from has made a mistake somehow somewhere.

I think the site was this one...
RiseEarth
Just a bad reference I guess. The original seems to have been taken from some youtube video.

In any case the date wasnt important to me. I wanted to show that the idea of comet Elenin doing a turn and moving east then west back and forth was not unexpected, but a normal event. The image did that. The actual dates on the image being wrong, well then yeah, but its not important to the original discussion of retrograde motion.



reply posted on 20-6-2011 @ 10:16 AM by DJW001
reply to post by jonnynature


I was just looking at the constellation of Leo (where Elenin is supposed to be right now) on Google Sky, then I clicked on the "Infrared" button and this huge object appeared.

Could someone please explain this:


Google sky is not in real time. I see several candidates for the object in the IRAS catalog, but my eyes just aren't good enough to narrow it down:
www.archive.org.../n25/mode/2up


reply posted on 20-6-2011 @ 12:08 PM by Logman
Originally posted by jonnynature
I was just looking at the constellation of Leo (where Elenin is supposed to be right now) on Google Sky, then I clicked on the "Infrared" button and this huge object appeared.

Could someone please explain this:
Large object where Elenin is, visible in Google Sky

Oh, stop lying. We all know that picture is from 2007 co-ordinates. And as it was there in 2007 and still there now it's not moving. It the carbon star remnant CW Leonis. Now punch in the real co-ordinates of where it is now and tell me what you see.


reply posted on 20-6-2011 @ 01:10 PM by ngchunter
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by jonnynature


I was just looking at the constellation of Leo (where Elenin is supposed to be right now) on Google Sky, then I clicked on the "Infrared" button and this huge object appeared.

Could someone please explain this:


Google sky is not in real time. I see several candidates for the object in the IRAS catalog, but my eyes just aren't good enough to narrow it down

It's CW Leonis, a carbon star that happens to be one of the brightest stars in infrared in the night sky (it's the brightest infrared star other than the sun at 5 um wavelength). The image comes from the IRAS all-sky survey, so the actual date the image was recorded was in 1983. Google created their panoramic using IRAS data in 2007, hence the copyright date. The image itself is much older than that, and it is still in the same place in other more recent infrared sky surveys.

To see for yourself, go here:
skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov...
Type in "CW Leonis" in the "coordinates or source" box and then shift-select all the images from the infrared sky surveys 2mass, iris, and iras. 2MASS shows a very bright star at those coordinates, getting brighter as wavelength gets longer (do note, 2MASS images have much smaller fields of view than IRAS but the coordinates are the same). The IRIS images are simply a reprocessing of the original IRAS images, and you can see that's where google drew their images from as you can see the one that has the "black sphere" halo surrounding cw leonis. This is a processing artifact not present in the original IRAS images below it. If I remember correctly, microsoft WWT offers the original IRAS images and therefore does not have this artifact. In summary, this is why you always get the raw images from the original sources when doing research, you don't rely on google sky and other recompressed, stitched, second-hand sources.
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