Is the Statue of Liberty Masonic?, page 13
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reply posted on 26-6-2011 @ 02:25 PM by pepsi78

your words. read them, study them, understand them, then accept them. Anyone depicted with a scythe is not father time. Carl Childers wasn't father time. Go back to school and pay attention this time. And have a steak. it will stimulate the mind.

My words ? What about them ?


Father Time is usually depicted as an elderly bearded man, somewhat worse for wear, dressed in a robe, carrying a scythe and an hourglass or other timekeeping device (which represents time's constant one-way movement, and more generally and abstractly, entropy). This image derives from several sources, including the Grim Reaper and Chronos, the Greek god Lord of time in Greek mythology.



Death, is not father time, only father time is father time.



The personification of Time and the more friendly version of the Grim Reaper. Typically pictured as an old man with a white beard doning a cloak and oft times carrying a scythe and hourglass. In ancient times he was known as Chronus or Saturn.



en.wikipedia.org...
The concept of death as a sentient entity has existed in many societies since the beginning of history. In English, Death is often given the name Grim Reaper and, from the 15th century onwards, came to be shown as a skeletal figure carrying a large scythe and clothed in a black cloak with a hood. It is also given the name of the Angel of Death or Devil of Death or the angel of dark and light (Hebrew: מַלְאַךְ הַמָּוֶת‎‎ Malach HaMavet) stemming from the Bible.


It is father time.
To what I see you are despretly trying to debunk my points whithout any success at all.

"Eternité etLa Mort"
Eternity and death, same thing, here is father time with the virgins.



(looks like network dude is wrong)
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reply posted on 26-6-2011 @ 03:00 PM by lostinspace
Crown: The statue wears a crown with seven spikes. This represents the 7 seas and 7 continents of the world, re-enforcing the universal concept of liberty.

answers.yahoo.com...

After looking up the symbolism on the Statue of Liberty the above passage caught my eye. You notice how the term "re-enforcing" is mentioned in that statement? The United States has been acting as the world's watchdog since the statue's placement. I believe France was a one time ruler of the world (from the Order's standpoint) until they passed the torch, so to speak, to the United States of America. The Masonic order had more power than any one nation. The creeds of the order were higher than any authority, being it king or government.


reply posted on 26-6-2011 @ 04:56 PM by network dude
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Fantastic, so anytime Father time is referenced, it is also Death being displayed? There is no distinction between the Grim Reaper and Father time? For clarification purposes, I need you to answer this with a simple yes or no.



reply posted on 26-6-2011 @ 05:56 PM by pepsi78
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Fantastic, so anytime Father time is referenced, it is also Death being displayed? There is no distinction between the Grim Reaper and Father time? For clarification purposes, I need you to answer this with a simple yes or no.

The grim reaper sprang from this notion with the god of time Saturn. It first started with Saturn eating it's children, from there on it evolved into the death, a man with bear and wings, then into the grim reaper.

It's sad but it is the truth, but it's what father time is as an icon, from the moment we are born we start dieing (the age procces) the time factor. The grim riper with the clock

So father time is the grim reaper as in historical account. This is imprinted in the culture, masons also see death as a masculine figure.

However I have another idea, but it is not relevant.


reply posted on 27-6-2011 @ 10:40 AM by torqpoc
Dear Pepsi78,

Originally posted by pepsi78

"Eternité etLa Mort"
Eternity and death, same thing, here is father time with the virgins.




L'Eternite et la mort means Eternity and death, not Eternity is death, or anything depicting it is the "same" thing.

In French it would be L'Eternite est la mort, Eternity is death. Or perhaps L'Eternite ou la mort, Eternity or death.

Some things are not the "same thing".

T
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reply posted on 27-6-2011 @ 11:59 AM by network dude
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There is no distinction between the Grim Reaper and Father time? For clarification purposes, I need you to answer this with a simple yes or no.

you can just push quote and then erase the one you don't want, K?

Yes No


reply posted on 27-6-2011 @ 12:41 PM by pepsi78
Originally posted by network dude
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There is no distinction between the Grim Reaper and Father time? For clarification purposes, I need you to answer this with a simple yes or no.

you can just push quote and then erase the one you don't want, K?

Yes No


I have provided the information, the way I see it it is one and the same.
In the masonic teachings he appears with the virgin, I rather not comment on what the "untanglement of her hair means" except that she will flow like a river afterwards only in one direction and become like this guy.


There is a famos quote from the bible, don't eat from it or you will truly die, the only ones that can eat from it are destined to eat from it.

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reply posted on 27-6-2011 @ 12:52 PM by network dude
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Father Time
A mythical figure (primarily associated with Greek mythology) who is supposedly the Text of time. Considered to be the spouse of Mother Nature, Father Time is often depicted as a very old bearded man in a white robe. Today, he is the spokesperson for 2000 Flushes "Every New Year's Eve, Father Time and the New Year's Baby have a televised wrestling match. The winner gets a free diva."

source

I am confused. If he is the human manifestation, why is he a skeleton and called Death in that picture?
Is it possible that there are two interpretations of Father time? Is it possible that modern culture sees them as two different entities? Is it possible that father time is different than the Grim Reaper?

I think it is.


reply posted on 27-6-2011 @ 06:34 PM by pepsi78

I am confused. If he is the human manifestation, why is he a skeleton and called Death in that picture?
Is it possible that there are two interpretations of Father time? Is it possible that modern culture sees them as two different entities? Is it possible that father time is different than the Grim Reaper?

I think it is.


Because the grim reaper is associated with death since in reaps the harvest.
It is simple, I have provided to you examples where the grim reaper came from, now for the words.


The name grim reaper, what reaper means.
You see it's an agricultural thing, the harvest of agriculture.

www.thefreedictionary.com...
One that reaps, especially a machine for harvesting grain or pulse crops.

someone who helps to gather the harvest
harvester
farm worker, farmhand, field hand, fieldhand - a hired hand on a farm
vintager - a person who harvests grapes for making wine
reaperReaper - Death personified as an old man or a skeleton with a scythe




Is it possible that modern culture sees them as two different entities?

The notion of the grim reaper came from Saturn god of time, the god of agriculture, it's why the name grim reaper.


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