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The Problem with crop circles

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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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This is why you shouldn't Explain crop circles with aliens.

I Challenge you to rebut.

 
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Take a survey.... Cried or Laughed.

I guess this fellow is no longer spending his time posting on ATS. What a loss.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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is this just you promoting your youtube channel? if so its a waste of forum space and also I wouldn't be so eager to share that with the world, cause the dude in the video sounds like a Sci Fi version of DaxFlame. And thats not a compliment.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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The "problem" with crop circles in Ufology is that humans have been proven countless times to be their source.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Yes and no, I am shamelessly promoting my youtube channel. But this is an Honest argument and I would like to hear a response from the UFO Community.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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The kid is probably more intelligent than most of the folk who are gonna make fun of him here.


Sure he's kind of dorky, but seems rather ambitious and actually pretty funny making fun of the crop circle crowd.

For some amazing human designs google cropcircle makers.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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How do we know he's not an alien? He certainly has that alien voice, kind of like the Goa'ould in the Stargate SG-1 series.

On the other hand, if he's human, if he keeps making that voice, he'll probably end up losing his voicebox.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Dear ThePuppyTurtle

Is that you on the video?

Sorry but if it was I could only stand to watch the first few moments of it.

Anyway it would seam that your point is that UFO’s etc, are not real and are not from elsewhere.

An interesting stance to take in that you can only ever lose that argument.

Anyway here is one that will prove too you and the people who believe in the UFO phenomenon to both be correct.

Look up project highjump.

It is to me a certainty that there is something too this one.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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Try reading up on some of sleepers threads, they're eye opening I couldnt stop pacing while reading because i recognized what he was writing as a lifelong experiencer, though he's been given advanced information.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face


www.abovetopsecret.com...
I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Why did I wander in this particular door? I'm pretty certain what I'm about to say will fall on deaf ears.

I'm not going to get into what I believe, but I would like to point out that the fact that humans have been known to make crop circles does not necessarily logically imply, never mind *prove*, that all crop circles are therefore made by humans.

Similarly, the fact that we cannot currently see any way of traveling faster than light doesn't necessarily prove that a putative alien race a few million, a few thousand, or even merely a few hundred years beyond our current understanding is bound to that understanding. For all we know, they may have discovered a way to drop through wormholes, or instantaneously teleport themselves, or even something more exotic. For all we knew in the '40s, many people reasonably believed we'd never break the sound barrier.

As for Project High Jump: As intriguing as it is, it suffers from a serious lack of follow-up investigation and might as well be a red herring for all the *proof* of anything that it provides. I'd love to see it thoroughly re-investigated. Unfortunately, probably only a government could afford to mount such an effort. And how likely is it they'd tell us what they really found?

Well, thanks for the laughs....
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Dear Ex_CT2

For me there is enough proof that is not questioned about project high jump too know there is a great deal that they are hiding.

It happened and the extent of it.

The fact that there is a navy documentary that proves the area in question with liquid lakes and no snow.

There is the interview that Byrd gave about the pole to pole craft and the 3rd world war.

The fact that you can not see this on Google earth. Why block out snow, why?

These are as good as it has ever got.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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I only recall Byrd saying something to the effect that we should watch out for aircraft flying over the poles in case of another conflict. The world was a much larger place in those days, in a manner of speaking, and the thought of air forces flying over the poles and taking us by surprise was a scary thought.

You wouldn't have read some of Doherty's lunacy would you? That's where a lot of misinformation comes from. I'm not a fan, and I'm pretty sure he didn't expect discerning seekers to be taken in by his fictions, but only gullible and free-spending book-buyers.

Oh. I just realized we're calling it "Project" High Jump. It was "Operation" High Jump. Anyway, Doherty's not for serious researchers....

EDIT: No. Wait a minute. I'm not thinking of Doherty. He's a fiction writer.

I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank. Zundel? Somebody else? See, this Antarctica stuff was such a dead-end to me that I haven't even thought about it in years. Well, anyway: Be careful about jumping onto bandwagons; you'll waste a lot of valuable time....

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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Well I was going to wake up and put in my 2 cents after my last post, but looks like you beat me to it!

I also would like to add to the OP you should check your YouTube comments, I saw a guy who had a very interesting post on Quantum Entanglement.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Actually I do have one more thing to add, the following is from my blog, its not 100% mathematically sound, but it is a general example of how vast our Universe is and how possible ET Life is:

There is an estimated 200-400 Billion Stars right here in our own Milky Way Galaxy. So let us use these numbers for our first round of Mathematical Alien Roulette.

Let’s say that only 1% of these, let’s split the difference, 300 Billion Stars have planets. We are left with 3 Billion Candidate Stars which (potentially) have Planets. Let’s keep going!

Say only 1% of these 3 Billion Stars that have Planets, have the Planets in the so-called Goldi-locks zone (the area where a Planet is neither too hot nor too cold and able to support life, as far as we know). We are left with 30 Million Stars that have Planets capable of producing life. On we go…

Going with tradition, let’s say only 1% of these 30 Million Stars that have Planets capable of maintaining life actually has life! We are now left with 300,000 Stars that contain Planets with some type of life. Keep going until the proverbial # hits the fan(atics).

Now let’s say 1% of these 300,000 Stars that have Planets which holds life, has Intelligent Life. We are left with 3,000 Stars that have Planets which hold Intelligent Life. This is life like you and me, they are self aware, maybe a little more or a little less technologically advanced than us, but about the same.

This and of itself is f--king amazing, there are, theoretically, 3,000 other Intelligent Civilizations In Our Own Milky Way Galaxy ALONE!!!!

Let’s go even further!

1% of the 3,000 Stars which has Planets which hold Intelligent Life that possess the ability for Interstellar Travel (Traveling to and from Stars, hundreds or thousands of Light Years in distance) is 30.

There are probably 30 Different Alien Species CAPABLE of visiting Earth (Give or take). This is actually in correlation with numerous Abductee reports that there are currently around 60 different Alien Civilizations who have contacted and visited Earth. These claims can not be backed by science of course, but when you read the numbers, it doesn’t seem all that far-fetched, does it?

And this is just a general ‘what if’. There could be more, there could be less, but what I want you to take away from all of this, is that These Numbers Are From Our Own Milky Way Galaxy, NOT The Entire Universe!

Let’s play Mathematical Alien Roulette on a Universal scale.

Stars (Total): 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10 Sextillion)

Stars w/Planets (1%): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 Sextillion)

Stars w/Planets in the Goldi-locks Zone (1%): 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (100 Quintillion)

Stars w/Planets in the GL Zone w/Life (1%): 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10 Quintillion)

Stars w/Planets in the GL Zone w/Intelligent Life (1%): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 Quintillion)

Stars w/Planets in the GL Zone w/Intelligent Life Capable of Interstellar Travel (1%): 100,000,000,000,000,000 (100 Quadrillion)

That is 100 QUADRILLION Different Advanced Civilizations that could be able to traverse the Universe like we can travel our globe. The thought alone is mind numbing and I haven’t even included the theoretical Habitable Moons that belong to Planets which are outside of the GL Zone!

Yet we sit here on our small blue rock, and say, “We are all alone in the Universe.” And fight amongst ourselves, seeing which one of us can drive the other to extinction; while, simultaneously, raping and pillaging our Planet.

It is high time we take our heads out of the dirt and look up and marvel at what we have only just begun to understand.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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I did, there's no evidence that it has anything to do with UFO's. Extraordinary claims require likewise Evidence, So what is the, not just evidence, but EXTRAORDINARY evidence that Lizard people control the planet.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Ok I just checked your channel. your 15. Of course your going to go against anything anyone says. You were raised to believe certain things and to dismiss others.

I was in your shoes about a decade ago. I had my logic and that was undeniable proof. When you age a little more you are going to start seeing a lot more things wrong with the world than you see now. Your logic will mature as it should and you will shed yourself of certain restrictions.

My best bet for you is to watch a show called Ancient Aliens (its not a perfect show but it should get you thinking) and also Google 'Zeitgeist Movie'. Those movies will redoubtably rationalize your thinking and hopefully get you out of your shell.

All the best.

Mac



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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That has nothing to do with it, I don't believe in aliens because there's no Evidence.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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As I said, check out Ancient Aliens, here are a sh-t ton of free docs. There is no and will be no hard evidence until Disclosure happens, but logically this is truth. Watch Ancient Aliens (I believe all of the episodes are on that link) then ask if there are Aliens.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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I've seen documentaries on that, It's all Arguments from ignorance, "I don't understand how the pyramids were built, therefore Lizard people".



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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I'm not sure about the cropcircles being alien and all, I simply do not know.

But your reasoning is off.

First, light speed. Travelling at insanely high speeds brings relativity into the picture. Relativity states that when you travel at vast speeds, time will start to slow down. That's right, it doesn't APPEAR to slow down, it ACTUALY does slow down. Enough to make interstellar travel easily feasable within a lifetime. (provided you have fuel of some kind but that's another story) And these findings have been proven by experiment.

Interested?: en.wikipedia.org...

Second, the fact that you don't know what anything means doesn't mean it's useless and/or meaningless. And what exactly do douchebags have to win? I think the joke would get pretty old after 50 times.

Once again, not saying I have the answers, just pointing out that you don't either



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