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Madison - Acting with unusual speed, the state Supreme Court on Tuesday reinstated Gov. Scott Walker's plan to all but end collective bargaining for tens of thousands of public workers.
The court found a committee of lawmakers was not subject to the state's open meetings law, and so did not violate that law when they hastily approved the measure and made it possible for the Senate to take it up. In doing so, the Supreme Court overruled a Dane County judge who had struck down the legislation, ending one challenge to the law even as new challenges are likely to emerge.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by queenofsheba
I'm middle class, and have never worked for a union. That's a lame argument, just like the Democrats say that Republicans want to kill all old people.
Private unions I am ok with as the company and the union head negotiate. Public unions iI am not ok with. Even FDR opposed them. If there is to be a public union, it should only apply to Police, Firefighters and EMTs.
Unions are a nepotistic bunch. They've had their time in the sun and blew it. Time for them to go. Just my opinion.edit on 14-6-2011 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by queenofsheba
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by queenofsheba
I'm middle class, and have never worked for a union. That's a lame argument, just like the Democrats say that Republicans want to kill all old people.
Private unions I am ok with as the company and the union head negotiate. Public unions iI am not ok with. Even FDR opposed them. If there is to be a public union, it should only apply to Police, Firefighters and EMTs.
Unions are a nepotistic bunch. They've had their time in the sun and blew it. Time for them to go. Just my opinion.edit on 14-6-2011 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
Why only Police, Firefighters and EMT's? What differentiates them from say, teachers, social workers, county workers and the like? Are they somehow special? Bigger question is....what do you do? And why would you be jealous of your fellow American? That's what I'd like to know....
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by queenofsheba
I'm middle class, and have never worked for a union. That's a lame argument, just like the Democrats say that Republicans want to kill all old people.
Private unions I am ok with as the company and the union head negotiate. Public unions iI am not ok with. Even FDR opposed them. If there is to be a public union, it should only apply to Police, Firefighters and EMTs.
Unions are a nepotistic bunch. They've had their time in the sun and blew it. Time for them to go. Just my opinion.edit on 14-6-2011 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by TDawgRex
You served all that time in the military and don't what, think you deserve the benefits you've earned? Really? I would bet you appreciate them. People who are in unions pay their dues and typically 20 percent of their health care. Why, oh why would someone disrespect their fellow neighbor for their work? I don't get it. I just don't get it. Hell, my mom appreciates the one hundred percent health benefits she gets from her deceased husband, a WWII vet, or do ya think the feds should take that away from her, too? And isn't military service about as "public" as it gets?edit on 14-6-2011 by queenofsheba because: add line
PS...no, I'm not affected by the ruling personally, why?edit on 14-6-2011 by queenofsheba because: add line
Originally posted by TDawgRex
Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by TDawgRex
You served all that time in the military and don't what, think you deserve the benefits you've earned? Really? I would bet you appreciate them. People who are in unions pay their dues and typically 20 percent of their health care. Why, oh why would someone disrespect their fellow neighbor for their work? I don't get it. I just don't get it. Hell, my mom appreciates the one hundred percent health benefits she gets from her deceased husband, a WWII vet, or do ya think the feds should take that away from her, too? And isn't military service about as "public" as it gets?edit on 14-6-2011 by queenofsheba because: add line
PS...no, I'm not affected by the ruling personally, why?edit on 14-6-2011 by queenofsheba because: add line
You just seemed passionate about it. No offense.
I do appreciate my benefits, but don’t depend upon them. The VA system is clogged and I can afford separate health insurance. I may need it in the future, but not now. I signed a contract when I enlisted but don’t really expect our government to abide by it before too long. I once did though. That’s why I invested. My Father is a retired Wisconsin State employee and he has had his benefits cut drastically, but he’s a smart man and is doing fine as well. I should have listened to him sooner.
As for people who did the same concerning unions, I believe that they should be grandfathered. It’s a contract. And I believe that a contract should be honored. Benefits have to be rethought in a financial manner, just like the military is doing nowadays. Today’s new Soldiers will not get the benefits I receive. I myself, think that’s a crying shame. But less workers means fewer taxes to support the those who receive benefits. Older people will soon outnumber younger people, it’s going to get expensive.
Benefits across the board are killing us. Everyone, from government to companies is rethinking how to compensate loyal employees. I believe that one of the problems is that there aren’t very many loyal employees anymore. Everyone has their hand out. And we are no longer the manufacturing nation we once were. Something has to give. And unfortunately, it’s our economy. It’s simple mathematics.
America is spiraling down fast, and something drastic has to be done if we are to recover.
I hardly think benefits across the board is what is killing us...try outsourcing, big corporations heeding their bottom line. Less workers means fewer taxes, huh? Interesting...older people will soon outnumber younger people and it's gonna get expensive. Not everyone has their hand out, you know. And for those that do, they don't especially want to be there with their hand out. I don't think it's working class union members that are bringing down this country, I really don't. Try the war mongers....how much is it costing America to finance all the people they have assigned to waging war? You can so easily put down union members who work for a fair and honest living and would be done with that sooner than waging war?
Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by TDawgRex
Really? You're cool with losing the working middle class? Cuz that's what union families are, working middle class.