Masonic Textbook

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by boncho
Two questions:

1. People of any faith can be members of a lodge?

Yes. You are only asked if you believe in a supreme being, not what you call him.

1. I take it that if you answer No, you are (consigned to) history. (Looooser!)

I also take it that since masons have included some of the more educated, knowledgeable
and privilaged people in history, that either they know for a fact that there exists some class of
supreme being, and insist on homogeneity for their devoted religion, or else they use this
pre-requisited criteria as a directed/controlled mechanism, to sieve potential wheat from chaff,
recruiting only people who will believe wiithout proof, and hence better serve their needs and ends.
Is there another alternative?

The living have always and ever strived upon the dead.

History is Bunk, which you and few realise.

The very few versus The Very Many.

Me, I Am the Many Side.

Hello ALL who question,

I have more than a few relatives who are masons and or belong to other brotherly organizations. I myself do not belong but have been the victim of peer pressure to apply for membership and this has caused me to do research and ultimately refuse to further attempt to join any such organizations.

My research leads me to think that the origins of these secret organizations comes from mankind's ancient desire to build empires. To build an empire requires the participation of many people who may not all equally benefit from the institution therefore many people must be 'duped" into doing their parts.

The main tool to indoctrinate and subordinate the masses is the fear of the unknown. The fear of what lies beyond death is further intensified with spooky symbols, religious in origin, pagan superstitions, and just plain old peer pressure.

This has been more than effective for thousands of years from whatever unnamed shaman/salesman who first got an inkling to promote this up thru the timeline of serpent symbol artists, templars, Illuminati and today's Freemasons and other secretive groups.

My cousin who is a mason through very few words reveals much "you belong to a lodge of your peers" and "just because you get to play with the toys does not mean you belong to the club"

Reason why many mason's know nothing of any luciferic or subversive dealings due to their level of participation.

Officially "the lodge" is the black and white tiled floor and all of the repititive procedure that takes place in that space. Other activities are 'appendent" and are subject to plausible deniability since they are not masonic per tiled floor legalisms.

Hope this helps and please forgive my typos.Text White

Originally posted by pshea38
I also take it that since masons have included some of the more educated, knowledgeable
and privilaged people in history, that either they know for a fact that there exists some class of
supreme being, and insist on homogeneity for their devoted religion, or else they use this
pre-requisited criteria as a directed/controlled mechanism, to sieve potential wheat from chaff,
recruiting only people who will believe wiithout proof, and hence better serve their needs and ends.
Is there another alternative?

The alternative is that a man who believes in God and an afterlife will realize there are consequences to his actions, if not in this life, then in the hereafter, and thus should strive to lead by example in his morality and faith. Read what AlbertPike wrote on the previous page. Masonry doesn't tell you how to get salvation; that's the job for your own religion. Masonry doesn't dictate which religion is the "right" religion, because who of us will ever know for sure until we're already dead anyway?

Originally posted by partycrasher
My research leads me to think that the origins of these secret organizations comes from mankind's ancient desire to build empires. To build an empire requires the participation of many people who may not all equally benefit from the institution therefore many people must be 'duped" into doing their parts.

And yet it was the Masons that founded America, and Masons who are the enemies of tyrants and dictators. Empire-builders, like Hitler or Saddam feared us—rounded us up and killed us—because we stood for liberty and equality.

The main tool to indoctrinate and subordinate the masses is the fear of the unknown. The fear of what lies beyond death is further intensified with spooky symbols, religious in origin, pagan superstitions, and just plain old peer pressure.

Yet why should man fear death? It comes to all of us eventually, peasant and king alike. No, the real lesson of Masonry is that you lead your life to the best of your ability, so that when you die, you leave this world with no regrets, and the hope that you've made it a better place for those you leave behind.

Originally posted by EpicLulz2012
I saw something odd today. I was driving down the interstate & saw a vehicle with a Freemason symbol on the tailgate. The window had a Dallas cowboy sticker, But it was upside down as if to look like a pentagram.

Was it an actual Cowboys sticker? Or could it have been an Eastern Star emblem?
en.wikipedia.org...

And yet it was the Masons that founded America, and Masons who are the enemies of tyrants and dictators. Empire-builders, like Hitler or Saddam feared us—rounded us up and killed us—because we stood for liberty and equality.

Exactly right, I have talked about this before.
How can people claim Freemasonry is out to rule and control, when it was the Masonic ideals that broke free from the tyranny of the royal elites, giving the people their sovereignty, freedom, and natural god given rights? The majority of this nations founding fathers that led the revolution were Freemasons.

But everyone always forgets that part of history when bashing Freemasons and claiming a Masonic hidden agenda of world domination.

Makes no sense to Take by force the rights, freedoms etc... from tyrants, give them to the people which they rightfully belong to, only to turn around and take them away. What happened is, the royal elites have since infiltrated the fiber of what once was the United States of America, and began propaganda against Freemasons, with the anti-Masonic movement.

Originally posted by Majestic Lumen And yet it was the Masons that founded America. But everyone always forgets that part of history when bashing Freemasons and claiming a Masonic hidden agenda of world domination.

So, when the Masons dominated "America", did they condone slavery and Native American genocide?

I've read my grandfathers masonic handbook and there is nothing interesting in there what so ever , he was a mason for as long as I can remember.
He died in 94 , and when clearing through his things I sat for an hour reading it . Its just all rules and regulations , nothing in there you would find exciting at all

Originally posted by gentledissident
So, when the Masons dominated "America", did they condone slavery and Native American genocide?

edit on 16-6-2011 by gentledissident because: stuck in a quote

Some did. Not all, obviously, but for instance here's Benjamin Franklin's petition for the abolition of slavery.
www.archives.gov...

Albert Pike had good relationships with the Native Americans
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com...

History as taught to us, is a complete lie. And the masons know this.
If there are so many masons out for the good of humanity, how can
the world be in such a state of turmoil and corruption.
Nearly all top positions, across the board, are held by higher level masons.
And masons are loyal to each other.
They are, at core, anti-humanity.
It is them versus us with the masons.
But all masons are subservient to the jesuits/vatican, aka the holy roman empire.
This empire is almost rebuilt.
All Hail king A.

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Why do you blame the Masons for turmoil and corruption?

Pol Pot became leader of Cambodia in mid-1975.[4] During his time in power he imposed a version of agrarian socialism, forcing urban dwellers to relocate to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labor projects, toward a goal of "restarting civilization" in "Year Zero". The combined effects of forced labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions resulted in the deaths of approximately 21% of the Cambodian population.[5] Under his leadership an estimated 750,000-3,000,000 people died.

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Pol Pot wasn't a Mason.

The founder Adam Weishaupt was affiliated with the Jesuits and when the
Pope at that time derided the Jesuits for their politics,
Weishaupt began his anti-papal Illuminati campaign.

Once the Illuminati achieved its goal it became merged with Freemasonry hence the doctines of illuminism.

Notice the map of the streets in Washington DC with the Owl and the Right Angle and other symbols? This was meant to be a sign to the Vatican that the Popes do not run America like they control Europe. DC was built by recognizers of pagan symbology which the Churches claim to be against.

However infiltration works both ways because America ended up with the European Banking System controllers which many founding father masons tried to avoid and most churches bear pagan symbology in their architecture and IN THEIR RELIGION.

Originally posted by partycrasher
Once the Illuminati achieved its goal it became merged with Freemasonry hence the doctines of illuminism.

There are no "doctrines of Illuminism" in Freemasonry.

Notice the map of the streets in Washington DC with the Owl and the Right Angle and other symbols? This was meant to be a sign to the Vatican that the Popes do not run America like they control Europe. DC was built by recognizers of pagan symbology which the Churches claim to be against.

What does th dachsund represent?

However infiltration works both ways because America ended up with the European Banking System controllers which many founding father masons tried to avoid and most churches bear pagan symbology in their architecture and IN THEIR RELIGION.

Pagan influences on Christian architecture and liturgy usually predate Freemasonry.

Originally posted by partycrasher
The founder Adam Weishaupt was affiliated with the Jesuits and when the
Pope at that time derided the Jesuits for their politics,
Weishaupt began his anti-papal Illuminati campaign.

Actually, while he did attend a Jesuit school, Weishaupt was not a Jesuit himself, and was, in fact, very anti-Jesuit.

But then, of course, we've also now got two anti-masons in the same thread, one saying that we're controlled by the Vatican, and the other saying we're here to destroy the Vatican.

Perhaps we should let you guys come to an agreement on why you hate us before continuing further?

Originally posted by JoshNorton

As there is always a heirarchy, who is the top mason and
what is the top level which all the various secret orders of masons are
solemnly subservient to?

My answer is prince william and the holy roman empire.
(william is the grandson of the illegitimate monarch elizebeth ii).

What are the masons views on the illuminati?

Is it true that most individuals in positions of power and authority, worlrdwide
are upper echelon masons of some form?

Are all masons therefore a powerful force for good, fighting an even more powerful enemy.
Or are they and the enemy one in the same?
How hard would it be, afterall, to alert people to the dangers of even some basic
overt enemy attacks, such as flouride in the drinking water and aspertame in diet drinks?

Where is any of the good???

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by JoshNorton

As there is always a heirarchy

Misconception. All Masonic Grand Lodges are autonomous.

who is the top mason

The Grand Master of each jurisdiction's Grand Lodge.

and
what is the top level which all the various secret orders of masons are
solemnly subservient to?

The third, or Master Mason, degree. One cannot be in any other Masonic organization without being a Master Mason in good standing with his lodge.

My answer is prince william and the holy roman empire.
(william is the grandson of the illegitimate monarch elizebeth ii).

That's nice, but false.

What are the masons views on the illuminati?

Depends on each individual Mason; there is no organizational policy. The Grand Lodge of Germany solidly resisted their attempts to abuse Freemasonry for their own purposes, but their ideology is espoused by some.

Is it true that most individuals in positions of power and authority, worlrdwide
are upper echelon masons of some form?

No.

Are all masons therefore a powerful force for good, fighting an even more powerful enemy.
Or are they and the enemy one in the same?

Neither, really. I'd like to think we're much more good than bad, but we're not really a force in the world beyond the individual level (though many of our individuals have done great things).

How hard would it be, afterall, to alert people to the dangers of even some basic
overt enemy attacks, such as flouride in the drinking water and aspertame in diet drinks?

That's not our department. We are not a political party.

Where is any of the good???

Here.

Originally posted by OnTheLevel213

As there is always a heirarchy.

Misconception. All Masonic Grand Lodges are autonomous.

Not True. Don't mention the pyramid.

who is the top mason?

The Grand Master of each jurisdiction's Grand Lodge.

Not True!

what is the top level which all the various secret orders of masons are
solemnly subservient to?

The third, or Master Mason, degree. One cannot be in any other Masonic organization without being a Master Mason in good standing with his lodge.

Ah! So there are higher levels.

My answer is prince william and the holy roman empire.
(william is the grandson of the illegitimate monarch elizebeth ii).

That's nice, but false.).

I don't think it is that far off.

What are the masons views on the illuminati?

Depends on each individual Mason; there is no organizational policy. The Grand Lodge of Germany solidly resisted their attempts to abuse Freemasonry for their own purposes, but their ideology is espoused by some.

If a top mason espouses illuminati ideology, what then? Will he lead and expect others
to follow? I say Yes, and we all know how deeply the illuminati are entrenched in everything

Is it true that most individuals in positions of power and authority, worlrdwide
are upper echelon masons of some form?

No.

Again, Not true.

Are all masons therefore a powerful force for good, fighting an even more powerful enemy.
Or are they and the enemy one in the same?

Neither, really. I'd like to think we're much more good than bad, but we're not really a force in the world beyond the individual level (though many of our individuals have done great things).

Again, Not true, i believe. Does every initiate not swear subservience to a higher
(terrestrial) power?

How hard would it be, afterall, to alert people to the dangers of even some basic
overt enemy attacks, such as flouride in the drinking water and aspertame in diet drinks?

That's not our department. We are not a political party.

This answer speaks volumes. You will not fight for the good of humanity.

Where is any of the good???
Here.

Most charities are scams and conjobs. Fullstop.

Originally posted by pshea38
Not True. Don't mention the pyramid.

Not True!

Then how does it work? Who's in charge of the Grand Master? Why don't any of his higher-ups tell him where to get off when he shuts them down?

Ah! So there are higher levels.

If you count full membership in Masonry as "higher" than probationary membership, I suppose you could call it such. Every Mason, however, eventually becomes a Master Mason, so "higher level" is meaningless in this sense.

I don't think it is that far off.

So a non-Mason controls Masonry on behalf of his non-Masonic grandmother and a long-dead empire?

If a top mason espouses illuminati ideology, what then? Will he lead and expect others
to follow?

No. He has no power to do so. The Illuminati's ideology was political and religious in nature; both topics are off-limits within the lodge.

Again, Not true.

Then I want names, lodge names, numbers and jurisdictions. Fingers-in-ears insistence stopped being a viable debate tactic around third grade.

Does every initiate not swear subservience to a higher
(terrestrial) power?

He affirms belief in a Supreme Being. I suppose you could call God a "terrestrial power", but that's a rather misleading description of His jurisdiction.

This answer speaks volumes. You will not fight for the good of humanity.

Not in terms of political or religious speculation, no. Our work for the good of humanity is in more universally agreed-upon terms.

Most charities are scams and conjobs. Fullstop.

I hear this often, but I can't seem to find anyone who can show me the irregularities in the 501(c)3 documentation. Please feel free to do so at any time. Better yet, tell the people helped that Masonic charities are scams. I'm sure they'd love to hear it.

reply to post by OnTheLevel213

I hear this often, but I can't seem to find anyone who can show me the irregularities in the 501(c)3 documentation. Please feel free to do so at any time. Better yet, tell the people helped that Masonic charities are scams. I'm sure they'd love to hear it.

If you look you can find it. But it takes knowing where to look to be able to find it. I would like to add something on this but for personal reasons I'm unable to.

Even with the bogus stuff that is associated with many charities, I do have one thing to say about them. At the end of the day, the hospitals are there, children are being helped and they are making a difference. By very definition, they are doing what they say they are doing.

So, even if the shady things behind the charity were out in the open, it is still nothing near the UN or IMF that claim they are helping people and seem to leave catastrophe behind, everywhere they go.

Originally posted by boncho
If you look you can find it. But it takes knowing where to look to be able to find it.

I'm absolutely certain irregularities can be found. Even honest people are still people. I'm just tired of hearing that the occasional screwup or abuse in the charity system negates all the work all charities have done, and that Freemasonry can be indicted for participating in charity by that logic.