Masonic Textbook

reply to post by boncho


Bonch! You just got the first star I have given you for this!

Yes, fair use is fine. As long as credit is given and no money is made.

reply to post by The GUT

A few things: Mackey and Pike both spoke of enlightenment not worshiping some being from the Bible. Second, there is some debate to whether Lucifer named in the book of Isaiah is in fact the Devil or just a disgraced Babylonian King named Helal.

reply to post by Version100

Nowhere in Masonry do we believe we'll ascend to godhood. That is preposterous.

reply to post by marriah3330

Dang fluorescent lights.

reply to post by YourPopRock


By your second reply, it was obvious to me that your problem isn't copyrights, rather than the content of the textbook (even if not that damaging or revealing, it still, IMO, touched a weak spot for you).

Judging by your posts, the way you handled the situation speaks about you as clear as a day, so I'd rather stop wasting resources on your case now, as you have already scored a sensational own goal.

OP, excuse the off topic but I think it was necessary someone said this straight. Back on topic - it seems you won't be able to scan the whole book and upload it here (since someone won't be happy if you did that), I can suggest (as I think someone else did) that you read the book, and tell us with your own words some of the more interesting stuff written there, if there's any such, that is. I'm sure a lot of people around here would appreciate it. I, myself, am not a hardcore researcher of Masonry, my interest here is based only on sheer curiousity, but I'm sure there will be a lot of people who'll be quite thankful.

p.s. YPR, if indeed your problem were the copyrights, I think you should get off the high horse and put down the Officer badge for awhile, because you're taking yourself way too seriously. And before you start commenting about my lack of experience with copyrights, may I assure you with certainty that I have suffered a lot more than you have from people who break the copyright laws?

reply to post by pshea38


Like others before me have said it is ILLEGAL to print copyright material without the express written permission of the writer. If you do you can be fined up to $250k and get a felony + jail time for EACH illegal post. Think hard first. I'm not trying to defend anyone, just pointing out the law. Don't want anyone to get hurt here, financial or
otherwise!

It's pretty obvious "The Mason's" on this site would prefer you not to publish it.

Without context it be mean anything you want to read into it.

It would seem like common decency to return it.

However, I realize decency is not so common anymore.

By the way, Nobody said do not read it.

They kindly ask you not to publish it here.

Paging Dr. Karma...

Originally posted by whyamIhere
It's pretty obvious "The Mason's" on this site would prefer you not to publish it.

No, actually, most of us are perfectly fine with it. Again, we really don't have that many secrets, and the contents of that book are fair game for discussion. Not sure why Pop was being such an ass, but really, post away. Ask questions. The Masons on this site are usually more than happy to discuss the philosophy behind such writings.

Originally posted by kissitgoodbye
Like others before me have said it is ILLEGAL to print copyright material without the express written permission of the writer.

Damn, I wish people would know what they were talking about.

The book has a publication date of 1913. At the time of publication, US Copyright terms were, I believe, 14 years, with a one time 14 year extension. None of the current laws extend anything that old. The work has fallen into the public domain.

Second, even if the book WERE still under copyright, posting excerpts from it for purposes of discussion falls under the Fair Use clause... you know, Title 17, paragraph 107? “… for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.”

Originally posted by whyamIhere
It's pretty obvious "The Mason's" on this site would prefer you not to publish it.

Only one Mason has objected, and at least four, by my count (self included), have expressed support and interest in seeing its contents online.

Originally posted by kissitgoodbye
reply to post by pshea38

 

Like others before me have said it is ILLEGAL to print copyright material without the express written permission of the writer. If you do you can be fined up to $250k and get a felony + jail time for EACH illegal post. Think hard first. I'm not trying to defend anyone, just pointing out the law. Don't want anyone to get hurt here, financial or
otherwise!

You missed my post here.

You can also read this person's post here.

Please leave the fear mongering to an Elenin-Nibiru thread, thanks.

reply to post by OnTheLevel213

Can I cast my vote for indifference?

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by OnTheLevel213

 

Can I cast my vote for indifference?

Strangely enough, the Apathy Now! movement usually has a weak voter turnout.

Posted By YourPopRock
On that note, I took the liberty of linking this thread in an email to the copywrite holders of the material that you took it upon yourself to illegally publish online.

Originally posted by YourPopRock
reply to post by GoldenObserver

 

Just know this, you are posting copywrited material. Copywrited by what many think is the most powerful organization on the planet. Think that is a good idea? (Like if what some on here say is true, a lawsuit would be the LEAST of your worries!)

Are you threatening someone on behalf of the Masons? That reads like a threat...

-Someone should screen cap and send it to them...

Originally posted by boncho

Posted By YourPopRock
On that note, I took the liberty of linking this thread in an email to the copywrite holders of the material that you took it upon yourself to illegally publish online.

Originally posted by YourPopRock
reply to post by GoldenObserver

 

Just know this, you are posting copywrited material. Copywrited by what many think is the most powerful organization on the planet. Think that is a good idea? (Like if what some on here say is true, a lawsuit would be the LEAST of your worries!)

Are you threatening someone on behalf of the Masons? That reads like a threat...

-Someone should screen cap and send it to them...

The first indication that YourPopRock doesn't know jack about intellectual property laws would be the repeated misspelling of copyright as "copywrite." (Do misspellings constitute derivative works? )

Originally posted by GoldenObserver
From what I've read, I found this particularly Interesting.
This is part of the Entered Apprentice.

"The Moveabe Jewels"
Are the Rough Ashler. The Perfect Ashler, and the Trestle Board.
The Rough Ashler is a stone as taken from the quarry in it's rude and natural state; the Perfect Ashler is a stone made ready by the hands of the Apprentice, to be adjusted by the working tools of the Fellow Craft; and the Trestle Board is for the Master Workman to draw his designs upon. By the Rough Ashler we are reminded of our rude and imperfect state by nature; by the Perfect Ashler, of that state of perfection which we hope to attain by a virtuous education, our own endeavors, and the blessings of God; and by the Trestle Board we are reminded that as the operative workman erects his temporal building agreeable to the rules and designs laid down by the Master on his Trestle Board, so should we, both operative and speculative, endeavor to erect out spiritual building agreeably to the rules and designs laid down by the Supreme Architect of the Universe, in the Great Book of Nature and of Revelation, which is our Spiritual, Moral, and Masonic Trestle Board.

I really wonder if The Supreme Architect and God are the same to the Masons. Also, does anyone know exactly what "the Book of Nature" is?

Yes, Supreme Architect, Great (or Grand) Architect of the Universe, etc. All ways of describing God.

The lesson in the above portion of the lecture is that God's design for the earth, for mankind, for nature, or, for that matter, for quantum physics, should be the blueprint on which we should strive to build our lives.

Originally posted by YourPopRock So where you live admittedly had nothing to do with your failed spelling? And you knew it was wrong and left iit anyway?

And you are attempting to call ME dim? Seriously Paco, go lay by your dish. The adults are talking.

"it"

Originally posted by YourPopRockAll Masonic material is copywrited. The original copywrite might be 1913 (your uncle was nade a Mason 98 years ago???), but if the copywrite has been updated (which I guaranty it has) to a point 70 years or less, then you might find yourself up a creek.

"copyright"
"made"
"guarantee" is the verb form in this case

reply to post by GoldenObserver


GoldenObserver, why don't you instead provide us with explanations on the controversial "business practices" of freemasons in our communties, and their mafia-like ways of merging corporate and local government powers? And their takeover of towns and neighborhoods, especially on the American West Coast?

The true face of Freemasonry: legalized mafia!

reply to post by JoshNorton

Yes, Supreme Architect, Great (or Grand) Architect of the Universe, etc. All ways of describing God. The lesson in the above portion of the lecture is that God's design for the earth, for mankind, for nature, or, for that matter, for quantum physics, should be the blueprint on which we should strive to build our lives.

Two questions:

1. People of any faith can be members of a lodge?

2. Is there ever discussion about different faiths in the lodges?

Originally posted by Echtelion
reply to post by GoldenObserver

 

GoldenObserver, why don't you instead provide us with explanations on the controversial "business practices" of freemasons in our communties, and their mafia-like ways of merging corporate and local government powers? And their takeover of towns and neighborhoods, especially on the American West Coast?

The true face of Freemasonry: legalized mafia!

Well, since GoldenObserver isn't a Mason, and as far as I know, doesn't live on the West Coast, I don't know what explanations you think he'd be able to shed on the matter.

But clearly you're here with an agenda. I'd suggest you create a new thread in this forum; detail examples of these so-called controversial business practices, and let the Masons of ATS weight in there, rather than further derail this thread, which is about a book GoldenObserver found.

Originally posted by boncho
Two questions:

1. People of any faith can be members of a lodge?

Yes. You are only asked if you believe in a supreme being, not what you call him.

2. Is there ever discussion about different faiths in the lodges?

No. Religion and politics are two topics that tend to divide man. By removing such discussion from the lodge room, we can be more productive on working together towards a common goal.

I'm a socialistic vegetarian atheist who doesn't like ritual nor ceremony. I'm looking for a group who has money to invest and my interests to accomplish some goals I feel will make the world a better place. One of these ideas is non-profit but sustainable. Are the Masons the group I'm looking for?