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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Annee
Yeah right, we will see the crap start flying when the first judge laughs the first able-bodied gay male out of his courtroom for trying to seek alimoney. Able-bodied males are hardly ever granted alimoney in straight divorce cases, you think it will be any different in gay divorce?
Originally posted by Annee
The modern concept of Marriage is less then 200 years old. Women were property - they had no rights. Marriages were arranged for political/social standing/alliances etc. It certainly wasn't romantic or strictly for procreation or about God.
It is a truism frequently forgotten by large complex societies:
only societies that reproduce survive.
Maggie Gallagher - What is Marriage For
Originally posted by dbates
Study after study proves that children raised by both biological parents have a superior advantage from those that are not. Look at the statistics of those that are incarcerated or on welfare and compare that with children whose parents were in a traditional marriage.
Originally posted by Annee
Current studies show there is little to no difference in children raised by straight or gay.
Originally posted by dbates
Look at the statistics of those that are incarcerated or on welfare and compare that with children whose parents were in a traditional marriage.
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by Annee
Current studies show there is little to no difference in children raised by straight or gay.
I'll concede that point but still argue that "only societies that reproduce survive". Gay parents can not reproduce. I'm all for them being happy and having a fulfilled life. I just don't think the state has any vested interest in promoting same-sex marriages. Perhaps you could make an exception and grant a marriage license to same sex partners with children. Outside of that I don't see the purpose.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by Annee
Gimme a break....everyone wants equal rights, no matter what they are. It's simply not possible in a civilized world for everyone to be accepted legally, you keep dreaming but it doesn't make sense. Let me ask you this, whose rights and practices are you willing not to agree with or legalize? Surely there must be one group out there, as soon as you realize the folly of this adventure, let me know.
Marriage involves 2 people joining together as one household/family/unit.
LEGAL Government Marriage is what this thread is about. There is ZERO reason to deny a couple because they are of same gender.
I am not taking it beyond that in this thread.
If you want to expand/embellish in other areas beyond that - - start your own thread.
Originally posted by leo123
That's not the definition of a marriage, yours is the definition of a legal union - two distinctly different things.
Originally posted by Annee
There is nothing wrong with a gay persons reproductive system.
They will need to use methods that hetero couples use who can not reproduce in the regular way.
Originally posted by Annee
It is not the states business to be vested in anyone personal life - - is it?
Originally posted by Annee
I am not understanding your exception.
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by Annee
There is nothing wrong with a gay persons reproductive system.
They will need to use methods that hetero couples use who can not reproduce in the regular way.
That would mean that they pull in a 3rd party for reproduction.
Originally posted by dbates
The fact that 100% of gay couples would need the help of science (and a 3rd person) seems to point to the fact that this isn't what nature intended.
Originally posted by dbates
has unintended negative repercussions for some of the children.
Originally posted by dbates
I'm in favor of equal rights under equal circumstances. Everyone doesn't get to use the handicapped parking places but all handicapped people should have equal access to handicapped parking. Same sex unions are not the same as male/female unions. This isn't determined by the state. This is dictated by nature and no matter how many laws we pass this will remain unchanged.edit on 15-6-2011 by dbates because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Abrihetx
if a straight couple decides to marry, but have no desire to have children should their request to marry be denied?
Originally posted by Abrihetx
So, who I sleep with creates unequal circumstances?
Originally posted by dbates
No, but its interest is vested in society as a whole. We've already established the fact that only societies that reproduce survive.
Originally posted by dbates
reply to post by Annee
You didn't read the article I linked. It had nothing to do with the sexual preferences of the parents.