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Jobs council to Obama: Here's how to create one million jobs quickly

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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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The only way to jump start the economy is to do a couple simple things.

First stop making it so easy to draw unemployment.

At one time when you went to the unemployment office they gave you a list of places needing to hire workers.

You had to come back and show them who you had applied with!

Pass laws that REQUIRE construction companies and contractors and all other companies that have workers that should be trained in how to do certain skills to hire out of the union halls.

That is what skilled trade unions are for!

They have apprentice programs to teach,instruct and train workers how to efficiently,skillfully and SAFELY perform their job.

There are millions of "visitors" in the U.S. that have No idea what they are doing or why they are doing it!

Unions will keep a lot of those "visitors" out of the work force and they will go back home.

Community colleges were at one time designed to teach and train people how to do skilled occupations.

Trades and practical skills is what built the U.S. and will bring it back,if the government will let them.

I personally am against unions in some fields but there are some skills that competent skills and regulation is required.

We have lost the desire to require competency in knowing things are built safely with all rules and regulation followed and adhered to.

Eliminate the federal EPA.

It is a hindrance to progress.

At present a company in California that wants to built a facility it will take 6 months to a year to even be "shovel ready" as "Nobama" said.

In Texas it takes about 6 weeks.




posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Wall Street and the bankers have nothing to do with company "X" being able to afford production in the United States...


Not sure where you're living, but here in the U.S. they have EVERYTHING to do with it. Here, "company X" gets business loans from the bankers, and further capital from Wall Street investors to fund their start-ups and operations.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
It looks like thee are some possibilities for Obama to take action to create more jobs without congress getting involved. This is something that needs to be done, because all evidence seems to indicate that Congress is only concerned with destroying the U.S. economy and the middle class and working class, since repubs have taken over.

www.csmonitor.com...


RECOMMENDED: US job market: Four ways to cut the unemployment rate

Obama didn't offer any major policy announcements after meeting Monday with his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, N.C. But the council's proposals include:

• Form business partnerships with community colleges to train more workers for today's open jobs.

• Streamline permitting processes to speed more construction projects. Council members Jeff Immelt of General Electric and Ken Chenault of American Express said some simple steps could achieve this goal "without undercutting the protections that our regulatory system provides."

• Make it easier for foreign tourists to obtain visas to travel to the US.

• Help small employers get more loans with help from the Small Business Administration.

• Help construction workers pick up their tools again with a campaign to upgrade commercial and government buildings for energy efficiency. Obama also touted this so-called Better Buildings Initiative Monday while visiting Cree, a maker of energy-efficient lighting in Durham, after the jobs council meeting.


These sound like good ideas, and it looks like Obama is going to follow those recommendations.

washingtonexaminer.com...

www.thestreet.com...

This is the kind of news I like to read.



Know what the trouble with these ideas are?

1) Train kids so they can get the jobs of today several years in the future. What?

2) Sorry, they're bull#ting. This is just standard "deregulate to cut our expenses and we promise that, this time we will follow through on our pledge of jobs! For real, those last hundred times were just, well, it was a bad point for us..."

3) Bring in foreign workers to depress American wages.

4) Handouts to pirates.

5) Subcontracting to a private (read; legally unaccountable) firm.

My advice? Cut out the middleman. Simply create a work program paid for by the US itself, to repair the crumbling infrastructure in our country, fix unforseen problems that have been discovered in the last 60 years, and other efforts.

Boom. People are employed, infrastructure is repaired (which saves money and makes commerce more efficient) and the taxpayer saves money that would have been lost to loan sharks and corporate overheds.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by IamJustanAmerican
Eliminate the federal EPA.

It is a hindrance to progress.

At present a company in California that wants to built a facility it will take 6 months to a year to even be "shovel ready" as "Nobama" said.

In Texas it takes about 6 weeks.


And as a result, Texas not only has a booming manufacturing-based economy, but is also, thanks to its market-driven environmentalism, the cleanest state in the union.

Oh. Wait.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Your claim that the money ends up in the hands of bankers is nothing more than a MSM



I'd be interested in seeing the data you base that statement on.

thanks in advance!


Sure... turn your TV on. you're welcome.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
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None of the above are good ways to create jobs. The fact that Government creates jobs in the first place is a myth. Jobs and economic growth are created in the private sector. The public sector destroys wealth, because the public sector requires money from the private sector in order to function.

How to create jobs 101

The Federal Government needs to do the following...

1) cut corporate and payroll taxes in half (at a minimum)

2) give tax breaks/incentives to employers

3) stop over-regulating

4) domestic energy production (drill baby drill)

5) Get the hell out of the way



Those nitwits on the Job Council don't want to hear all of the common sense in the above 5
to do list.
- They are socialists masquerading as capitalists. -
That whole Job Council meeting was - just another dog & pony show -.
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I would add to your list:

6) Repeal ObamaCare to remove uncertainty from the Fortune 500.

7) Reduce the size of the U.S. Government.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Anyway it is done, one thing is clear, the U.S. government needs to do its job of preventing white collar crime, fraudulent business practices, hiring of illegal workers, embezzlement, cuts in engineering and maintenance that create major environmental problems all for short term bonuses, ect., ect., ect..

That is the biggest problem from the GW admin. The biggest problems that developed under GW stem from the Admins refusal to do its job, resulting in wide spread fraud.

I think the idea of working to make government more efficient, so that regulations are not a burden, but and aid in helping businesses meet reasonable requirements is a good thing.

There is a vast array or problems that need to be dealt with, and there is no magical free market solution.

Some of these ideas can be made to work, but the key will be to make sure that these businesses do what they are supposed to do.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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2 things to add to this thread

1 - I've worked in the home-building industry for close to 7 years. If they relax permitting for construction and add incentives for tools etc, do you really think it will be Americans that get those construction jobs? I'm in Texas and you'd be hard-pressed even finding someone on a construction crew who's native first-language is not Spanish.

2 - Give incentives to businesses that offer continuing-education to their employees. Want to get better trained folks - send them to school. I'm a technology professional and continuing education is required for what I do. My employers have always realized that and have had no issues sending me to training or classes. It's time that others follow suit.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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My plan is much better.

There's about 60 million people over the age of 50 in the work force. Obama should give them $1 million apiece and force them to retire, creating 60 million new jobs. Then he must force them to buy a house or pay off their mortgage, that will fix the housing market. Then he needs to force them to buy a new car, and that will fix the auto industry.

Or he can just give me the money and I'll create all the jobs you guys want.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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The problem with the economy is that there is a lack of aggregate demand in goods.

People are afraid to spend because they fear loosing their jobs therefore are saving. . . .They lack the confidence to spend.

All this concentration on cutting spending will, according to most economists, make things worst.

The root of the unemployment problem is simply that the US ordinary person IS NOT SPENDING. . . .Therefore sales on all levels of the economy are down . . . when sales are down employers lay off and don’t hire.

SIMPLE SOLUTION: FIND A WAY TO INCREASE DEMAND.

Increasing demand depends a lot on the confidence the people have in the economy.
And merely cutting government spending wont give people confidence in their job security, particularly when social safety nets like food stamps are being cut. In–fact that makes people more afraid therefore won’t begin spending.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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That is our biggest problem, illegals have flooded our country reducing wages. This is why a working tradesman can not earn a decent living anymore, when in the past, wages for skilled workers put them in the middle class. The quality of construction has also gone down hill badly.

There is no reason why they can't quickly identify illegal workers, and come down hard on the businesses that hire them, and fix this problem. If Obama wants to solve the job problem, this is the first thing he needs to do.

They could open up programs to get skilled professionals teaching credentials to train the next generation. Those are the people who should be training the next generation, the people who spent their careers doing the work, not some professor who has never had a job outside of academia.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Wouldn't that cost $60T.

I think that is still considered real money these days.

The U.S. is looking at serious problems in the near future with a lack of skilled trade professionals as the boomers retire. Teaching young people their skills would make for nice jobs to subsidize meager retirements.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Um, isn't it more likely the lack of demand is due to large numbers of unemployed people. When you count those classified as unemployable, then you are looking at around 20% of the work force not working. That is a big hit to demand.

Those who are working find their wages and salaries stagnant for the most part. Many are illegals sending their money back to Mexico or where ever.

Then those who are working are up to their eyeballs in debt, so they don't have much money to spend anyway.

The only way to increase demand is to increase the number of jobs and the wages and salaries that are being paid, but when all the money goes to those at the top, then the economy goes stagnant without demand for products and services. All the investment in the world does no good when few people have any money to buy.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
you wanna create jobs then understand this:

why is it cheaper to have a product made 10,000 miles away and shipped here than to have the same product make 1 mile away from where you live?

those are bad ideas op.


the answer to that question is:governement.


Neo, I typically agree with you, but this time I dont.

Why is it cheaper to make product 10,000 miles away:

Cheap labor would be the easiest way to explain it, but it goes deeper than that.

The American 401k holder gets a sick feeling in their stomach everytime they see a dip in their 401k and that forces companies that are responsible to the 401k holder to find a way to make sure the dip doesnt happen and in fact, tha same company is under a far greater pressure to make the 401k holder more money.

It is an easy process; they pay the American worker $15 an hour to make a widget and that worker get comfortable with making 30k a year VS the chinese worker who is comfortable with making $30.00 a month because before they were making ZERO dollars pulling rice out of the fields.

Part of the problem with jobs in America, IS the American people. No one wants to work for $10 an hour, because they feel their limited education and Liberals who tell them they are worth morte than the 12th grade education are worth more than and 30 million illegal immigrants will work those jobs.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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yeah cheap labor is a component of it

a few elements to that question are:

people human resources who will do whatever it takes to make a buck so your right

education: the department of education whos failure that has lead to instead of making scientists and engineers and other real jobs in america the focus of this nations youth is to get on tv. ie reality tv shows.

regulations: forcing business how to do business,lawyers,insurance costs,workmans comp etc theres a whole slew there.

taxes: everyone knows what taxes are dont need to go into detail there.

unions: create a few high paying jobs so that only a few get the beneifits instead of everyone getting a taste of the apple remember 100% of nothing is nothing

welfare: too easy to sit on their butts and collect a check not all mind you but too many

unemployeement: they get their 99 weeks of pay and give up looking yet agian sitting on their til times is up.

federal reserve: constant devaulation of the us dollar to make imports cheaper to bring in making our cash here at home virtually worthless.


now tie welfare and unemployement together instead of creating tax revenue they are getting paid by tax revenue and they are not making no where near the level of incomes they can do with real jobs and now if those people had real jobs the cash they would be making would be creating more jobs for more people.


government is the problem which stilfes us all and job creation they need to get the hell out of the way and let people do what they were born to do.

which is work and provide forthemselves and contribute to society as a whole.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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And yet once again, the guy in China can't afford to buy anything but necessities, when his annual salary of $360 can't afford to buy a single lap top. So they ship the goods to the U.S. markets to sell to the people still making good money. But as those people loose their jobs to the slave labor markets in places like China, they can no longer to buy goods and services. Pretty soon, there is no one to buy those goods and services but a small number of extremely rich people. Then those factories that make goods that no one can afford to buy shut down and become worthless, and so the stock of the companies that own those factories becomes worthless, and all the financial institutions who own stock in these industries, stock becomes worthless, and the whole pyramid scheme collapses.

Why is this so had to understand. Why do you think China loans us money to buy their goods?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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You forgot the real culprits, Corporations who commit widespread fraud, bribe politicians, abuse civil rights, make workers in third world countries slaves, hire illegal immigrants, practice child labor, bribe foreign politicians, rig markets, lie cheat and steal. Regulations are laws that exist for a purpose. How much more destruction needs to be done to the U.S. pursuing this foolish ideal that without laws to prevent crimes, the market will somehow prevent crime. That is the communist ideal.

How many more times will it take for deregulation policies and tax cuts for the super rich to destroy our economy before people like you wake up to the reality that these foolish ideals do not work?

It is the Internationals Corporations (ICs) who are the biggest problem. Until you wake up and face this problem, you are choosing to remain ignorant to the huge elephant in the room. The Fed Res is a corporation.

These nameless faceless entities have no heart, they don't care what they destroy, and the people hiding behind the mask get by with whatever misdeeds they commit. How can you not get this?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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nah man i blame those people who write the laws and enforce them

that is the us government.

blaming the corporations will end up exactly like the former soviet union the people will end up living in abject poverty.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Of course it’s because of the large unemployment . . . that is integral to my point about demand. Less employed people = less spending; and also a less confident populace because they are afraid of spending their savings because their neighbors have been laid off and they fear they may be next.

We need to try solutions that other countries like Germany do. In Germany they don’t ever end unemployment insurance and supplement corporations to support the work force.

But of course the conservative philosophy and their “socialism” canard wont allow us to copy European solutions even when they work.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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No offense but this sounds like a crappy idea, and here's why. This is just buttering you up for passing more money through the banks as an excuse to create one million temporary jobs while trying to avoid the long term
employment creation.

This will be another Obama's bail-out or Bernanke's quantitative easing. They give the money to their CEO buddies to give as loans, their CEO buddies earn a big bonus, and man who needs loan must put business and home up for foreclosure.

We have all seen this before. If you want to legitimately create one million jobs you are going to have to cut the deficit by large. This will eventually lead to a surplus in the budget which could be invested in schools and construction projects. Of course this means that some Americans will have to struggle for 5-10 years, until there is a surplus.

Another way to save the economy is end all the wars and all the bases around the world. Limit the CIA's operation. Cut down on all these bogus government employees that are put in place to watch over the average American.

The only way for America to come out of this depression is through cut backs and than re-investment in your future employees and entrepreneurs.




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